UK Politics Thread XIII: The Brexit Ship Departs

[Hurdergaryp]

Brexit: Tory MPs call on PM to scrap Northern Ireland Protocol - a year after they voted for it

Fuck away off.

Peasant! Should you not listen to and obey your masters? Do you dare to invoke their wrath?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Brexit: Tory MPs call on PM to scrap Northern Ireland Protocol - a year after they voted for it

Fuck away off.

Peasant! Should you not listen to and obey your masters? Do you dare to invoke their wrath?

They can suck the back of em!

Im harnessing my inner peasant power!

[Hurdergaryp]

Peasant! Should you not listen to and obey your masters? Do you dare to invoke their wrath?

They can suck the back of em!

Im harnessing my inner peasant power!

The brute force unleashed upon rebellious Ulster by the reborn British Empire shall soon show you the folly of your ways!

[The Huskar Social Union]

They can suck the back of em!

Im harnessing my inner peasant power!

The brute force unleashed upon rebellious Ulster by the reborn British Empire shall soon show you the folly of your ways!

There is one Ulsterman yet in Belfast who still draws breath

[The Huskar Social Union]

I dont wana hear another fucking word from anyone in the DUP over Sinn Fein and the IRA ever again

[The New California Republic]

Shamima Begum, who left the UK for Syria to join IS as a teenager, is not allowed to return and fight her citizenship case.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56209007

[Nevertopia]

...Why did the UK vote for Brexit? Its like knowingly shooting yourself in the foot, why are people surprised? What did they expect?

[CoraSpia]

Shamima Begum, who left the UK for Syria to join IS as a teenager, is not allowed to return and fight her citizenship case.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56209007

What a disgusting judgement. The supreme court has always had a love of the national security argument above everything else and it really needs to stop.

[Vassenor]

...Why did the UK vote for Brexit? Its like knowingly shooting yourself in the foot, why are people surprised? What did they expect?

Because we were told repeatedly that none of this would happen and that any suggestion that it would was baseless scaremongering, and all the experts are lying and we're tired of those lies.

[The Blaatschapen]

...Why did the UK vote for Brexit? Its like knowingly shooting yourself in the foot, why are people surprised? What did they expect?

A good question four and a half years ago.

Brexit is done.

UK is out.

[The New California Republic]

Shamima Begum, who left the UK for Syria to join IS as a teenager, is not allowed to return and fight her citizenship case.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56209007

What a disgusting judgement. The supreme court has always had a love of the national security argument above everything else and it really needs to stop.

There is ample precedent for saying no. Using the Cold War as an example, specifically the various folk that spied for the Soviet Union, once you defect there is no coming back. You can't generally say "whoopsie, I shouldn't have done that. Can I come back?" The only example I can think of where a defector was allowed to briefly return only for a visit was Len Wincott in 1974.

[CoraSpia]

What a disgusting judgement. The supreme court has always had a love of the national security argument above everything else and it really needs to stop.

There is ample precedent for saying no. Using the Cold War as an example, specifically the various folk that spied for the Soviet Union, once you defect there is no coming back. You can't generally say "whoopsie, I shouldn't have done that. Can I come back?" The only example I can think of where a defector was allowed to briefly return only for a visit was Len Wincott in 1974.

Is it a good precedent though? The people who spied for the soviet union were people who had clear-cut cases against them, we know what they had done and they'd have been carted off for a short trial and a long sentence upon landing. I'm not sure what the threat is in giving her her day in court unless of course they're worried they don't have anything on her that would wash.

[The New California Republic]

There is ample precedent for saying no. Using the Cold War as an example, specifically the various folk that spied for the Soviet Union, once you defect there is no coming back. You can't generally say "whoopsie, I shouldn't have done that. Can I come back?" The only example I can think of where a defector was allowed to briefly return only for a visit was Len Wincott in 1974.

Is it a good precedent though? The people who spied for the soviet union were people who had clear-cut cases against them, we know what they had done and they'd have been carted off for a short trial and a long sentence upon landing.

But they didn't though, that's the point: if they had asked to get their UK citizenship back then I highly doubt they would have been allowed to.

I'm not sure what the threat is in giving her her day in court unless of course they're worried they don't have anything on her that would wash.

She was a member of a proscribed terrorist organization under counter-terror legislation. Trust me, they'd make that stick.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

Shamima Begum, who left the UK for Syria to join IS as a teenager, is not allowed to return and fight her citizenship case.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56209007

This is a horrific ruling that leaves Shamima Begum in citizenship ruling and undermines the right to a fair trial in this country. It's appalling.

[The Nihilistic view]

...Why did the UK vote for Brexit? Its like knowingly shooting yourself in the foot, why are people surprised? What did they expect?

Better than knowingly shooting yourself in the head.

[The Nihilistic view]

Not so long ago the result Shamima Begum's actions would have been execution if she ever showed her face in the UK. There is no remorse, she knows exactly what she did and obviously still harbours those feelings and should consider herself lucky that loss of citizenship is the only thing we are going to do to her.

[CoraSpia]

Is it a good precedent though? The people who spied for the soviet union were people who had clear-cut cases against them, we know what they had done and they'd have been carted off for a short trial and a long sentence upon landing.

But they didn't though, that's the point: if they had asked to get their UK citizenship back then I highly doubt they would have been allowed to.

I'm not sure what the threat is in giving her her day in court unless of course they're worried they don't have anything on her that would wash.

She was a member of a proscribed terrorist organization under counter-terror legislation. Trust me, they'd make that stick.

Then what is the issue? If they have a safe prosecution then she's spending a lot of time in prison, she's hardly being welcomed back into the country with the offer of a free house and dinner with the queen.

[CoraSpia]

Shamima Begum, who left the UK for Syria to join IS as a teenager, is not allowed to return and fight her citizenship case.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56209007

This is a horrific ruling that leaves Shamima Begum in citizenship ruling and undermines the right to a fair trial in this country. It's appalling.

I agree with Madjack? What...what is wrong here, this is not the right timeline.

[The New California Republic]

But they didn't though, that's the point: if they had asked to get their UK citizenship back then I highly doubt they would have been allowed to.


She was a member of a proscribed terrorist organization under counter-terror legislation. Trust me, they'd make that stick.

Then what is the issue? If they have a safe prosecution then she's spending a lot of time in prison, she's hardly being welcomed back into the country with the offer of a free house and dinner with the queen.

They don't want defectors back clearly, it's pretty obvious from what I said.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

What a disgusting judgement. The supreme court has always had a love of the national security argument above everything else and it really needs to stop.

There is ample precedent for saying no. Using the Cold War as an example, specifically the various folk that spied for the Soviet Union, once you defect there is no coming back. You can't generally say "whoopsie, I shouldn't have done that. Can I come back?" The only example I can think of where a defector was allowed to briefly return only for a visit was Len Wincott in 1974.

There's a clear difference here though - the UK has made commitments to not make people stateless and their actions in doing so clearly violated that. Prevent Begum from having a fair hearing to appeal that decision is shameful, regardless of what they've done.

[Fartsniffage]

There is ample precedent for saying no. Using the Cold War as an example, specifically the various folk that spied for the Soviet Union, once you defect there is no coming back. You can't generally say "whoopsie, I shouldn't have done that. Can I come back?" The only example I can think of where a defector was allowed to briefly return only for a visit was Len Wincott in 1974.

There's a clear difference here though - the UK has made commitments to not make people stateless and their actions in doing so clearly violated that. Prevent Begum from having a fair hearing to appeal that decision is shameful, regardless of what they've done.

Given that trials are all over Zoom at the moment, why can't she just participate from Syria?

[The New California Republic]

There's a clear difference here though - the UK has made commitments to not make people stateless and their actions in doing so clearly violated that. Prevent Begum from having a fair hearing to appeal that decision is shameful, regardless of what they've done.

Given that trials are all over Zoom at the moment, why can't she just participate from Syria?

Indeed. The argument could be made that she doesn't need to be here to appeal.

[CoraSpia]

There's a clear difference here though - the UK has made commitments to not make people stateless and their actions in doing so clearly violated that. Prevent Begum from having a fair hearing to appeal that decision is shameful, regardless of what they've done.

Given that trials are all over Zoom at the moment, why can't she just participate from Syria?

Lawyers are still taking instruction in person. Also, I can't imagine that the internet service in Syrian POW camps is particularly good.

[The Nihilistic view]

Given that trials are all over Zoom at the moment, why can't she just participate from Syria?

Lawyers are still taking instruction in person. Also, I can't imagine that the internet service in Syrian POW camps is particularly good.

Next time she runs off to join the attempted establishment of a terrorist country she should check the WiFi coverage first.

[CoraSpia]

Lawyers are still taking instruction in person. Also, I can't imagine that the internet service in Syrian POW camps is particularly good.

Next time she runs off to join the attempted establishment of a terrorist country she should check the WiFi coverage first.

So she (probably) committed a crime. Don't we believe in innocent until proven guilty and fair trials anymore, or is that flexible?