UK Politics Thread XIII: The Brexit Ship Departs

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

No government wants to lose votes by being the ones who ruined Christmas. It's not about religion, or discrimination, it is about votes, the retail economy, and public morale.

Pretty much this. We may got into lockdown for October and part of November, but the Christmas retail period will likely proceed as normally as possible... and then three weeks after New Year's we'll be back in lockdown cos everyone has corona.

[CoraSpia]

No government wants to lose votes by being the ones who ruined Christmas. It's not about religion, or discrimination, it is about votes, the retail economy, and public morale.

Pretty much this. We may got into lockdown for October and part of November, but the Christmas retail period will likely proceed as normally as possible... and then three weeks after New Year's we'll be back in lockdown cos everyone has corona.

No point going back into lockdown if literally everyone's got corona.

[The New California Republic]

No. If it is anything resembling the seasonality of flu, then Coronavirus will be with us at higher levels from now onwards until the spring.

Well, I said somewhat under control, obviously not eliminated. Sure an increase might happen

"Might"? It's happening as we speak. The R number is above 1.

Very few places are planning lockdowns. And many are in fact planning NOT to have them, and focusing on how to deal with the situation WITHOUT resorting to lockdowns.

Not according to what the government is saying. They are planning additional measures.

And many local lockdowns have been happening in recent weeks in the UK, and the trend is spreading quite rapidly.

UK faces 50,000 Covid cases a day by mid-October if current infection rate not halted, warns top government scientist Sir Patrick Vallance

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54234084

Whitty: Covid will be a 'six-month problem' which we all need to deal with

"The seasons are against us," says Prof Whitty. "We are now going into the seasons... that benefit respiratory viruses."

It's very likely Covid will benefit from autumn and winter, he says.

He says it will be a "six-month problem that we will have to deal with collectively".

"This period of the next six months needs to be taken seriously," he says.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-5 ... type=share

[Philjia]

Boris staring at the "save lives" and "save economy" buttons and sweating profusely.

[Dumb Ideologies]

To give a slightly less glib answer to the charge of "racism" RE: previous tightening of restrictions around the holidays of minority religions.

Certain ethnic minority groups have been hit disproportionately in terms of cases and deaths. This is likely to be due to a combination of extended household structures and statistically poorer health. The government may have risked contravening the public sector equality duty if their lockdown policy had not factored in the risk of this health disparity substantially worsening.

The government is obliged not to treat unlike cases alike.

[Alvecia]

My office in Manchester is due open on Wednesday, I'm due in Thursday. They just sent out an email recently how the building is no longer enforcing a one way system for entering and leaving.

I'm half expecting this to all be cancelled last minute, again.

[Dumb Ideologies]

My office in Manchester is due open on Wednesday, I'm due in Thursday. They just sent out an email recently how the building is no longer enforcing a one way system for entering and leaving.

I'm half expecting this to all be cancelled last minute, again.

I've been told to go in for one day only tomorrow with two other people because they need us to prepare a bunch of documents and they think it'll be impractical to get everything sorted out quickly enough remotely.

I'm not entirely sure that this isn't my manager going rogue as the chief executive still keeps sending weekly emails telling people not to go in.

[North American Imperial State]

Yer and just get rid of social distance and masks and washing our hands just to keep every region happy.
Better yet just ask Covid 19 to not happen during religious festivals. Smh

I'm good with that, I'm happy to go for a policy of 'hope it goes away.'

I hope your joking!
That's what the US policy seems to be and it is failing miserably.

[Vassenor]

Yer and just get rid of social distance and masks and washing our hands just to keep every region happy.
Better yet just ask Covid 19 to not happen during religious festivals. Smh

I'm good with that, I'm happy to go for a policy of 'hope it goes away.'

Diseases aren't discouraged by you hiding under the bed until the big scary monster leaves. We actually have to do stuff about it.

[Hurdergaryp]

I'm good with that, I'm happy to go for a policy of 'hope it goes away.'

Diseases aren't discouraged by you hiding under the bed until the big scary monster leaves. We actually have to do stuff about it.

If you're hiding under the bed, chances are that you are the big scary monster!

[Greed and Death]

Boris staring at the "save lives" and "save economy" buttons and sweating profusely.

For every 1% increase in unemployment 37,000 people die.

“Corporate Flight: The Causes and Consequences of Economic Dislocation” by Barry Bluestone, (published in 1981).

It is also worth noting those who die from unemployment tend to be younger people with 20-30 years of life ahead of them whereas those who die from covid typically lose 3 to 5 years of life.

We should stop pretending balancing the economy is some sort of cold heartless act that only a Disney villain would consider, the economy is people and when shut down people die from that. The only difference appears to be the official cause of death is not labeled unemployment it will instead be labeled suicide, heart disease, liver disease, and the like.

[Salandriagado]

I'm good with that, I'm happy to go for a policy of 'hope it goes away.'

Diseases aren't discouraged by you hiding under the bed until the big scary monster leaves. We actually have to do stuff about it.

Well, in this case, everybody hiding under the bed for a few weeks would discourage it pretty effectively.

[Hirota]

Boris staring at the "save lives" and "save economy" buttons and sweating profusely.

For every 1% increase in unemployment 37,000 people die.

“Corporate Flight: The Causes and Consequences of Economic Dislocation” by Barry Bluestone, (published in 1981).

It is also worth noting those who die from unemployment tend to be younger people with 20-30 years of life ahead of them whereas those who die from covid typically lose 3 to 5 years of life.

We should stop pretending balancing the economy is some sort of cold heartless act that only a Disney villain would consider, the economy is people and when shut down people die from that. The only difference appears to be the official cause of death is not labeled unemployment it will instead be labeled suicide, heart disease, liver disease, and the like.

Indeed, and there are plenty of people on here who complain about austerity killing tens of thousands of people, yet are endorsing actions that will inevitably lead to further austerity. It's short sighted.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Perhaps if everybody, all around the world, agreed to lock down for two weeks over Christmas, we could break the back of the pandemic. Enough notice for everybody to stock up, most people won't be at work anyway.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

Diseases aren't discouraged by you hiding under the bed until the big scary monster leaves. We actually have to do stuff about it.

If you're hiding under the bed, chances are that you are the big scary monster!

Or at the very least, an escaped hamster.

[North American Imperial State]

Perhaps if everybody, all around the world, agreed to lock down for two weeks over Christmas, we could break the back of the pandemic. Enough notice for everybody to stock up, most people won't be at work anyway.

If only world leaders could do their jobs properly

[Hurdergaryp]

If you're hiding under the bed, chances are that you are the big scary monster!

Or at the very least, an escaped hamster.

Which would be a better description of the average NationStates General regular, yes.

[Hirota]

Or at the very least, an escaped hamster.

Which would be a better description of the average NationStates General regular, yes.

Nonsense. Hamsters are curious, sweet, affectionate and energetic individuals that generally get on well with humans.

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/death-certificate-data-covid-19-as-the-underlying-cause-of-death/ - evidence collected by a team at Oxford Unit that suggests between 1 in 13 and 1 in 4 deaths attributed to Covid-19 in the UK were nothing to do with Covid-19.

[Celritannia]

More problems with the track and tracing.

How petty does he have to be to say something so absurdly stupid as this?

[Nuroblav]

Which would be a better description of the average NationStates General regular, yes.

Which I can confirm. The cage been out of sight for days. Sometimes I miss the wheel.

How petty does he have to be to say something so absurdly stupid as this?

I imagine most people would have much bigger problems on their mind than that

[CoraSpia]

I'm good with that, I'm happy to go for a policy of 'hope it goes away.'

Diseases aren't discouraged by you hiding under the bed until the big scary monster leaves. We actually have to do stuff about it.

I'm glad to see we agree. Diseases are not discouraged by hiding under the bed, which is effectively what lockdown policies are. What do we do about it though?

Oh yeah, herd immunity, that's it.

[Celritannia]

Diseases aren't discouraged by you hiding under the bed until the big scary monster leaves. We actually have to do stuff about it.

I'm glad to see we agree. Diseases are not discouraged by hiding under the bed, which is effectively what lockdown policies are. What do we do about it though?

Oh yeah, herd immunity, that's it.

Herd immunity works with a vaccine.

[Vassenor]

Diseases aren't discouraged by you hiding under the bed until the big scary monster leaves. We actually have to do stuff about it.

I'm glad to see we agree. Diseases are not discouraged by hiding under the bed, which is effectively what lockdown policies are. What do we do about it though?

Oh yeah, herd immunity, that's it.

And how's that worked out so far?

[CoraSpia]

I'm glad to see we agree. Diseases are not discouraged by hiding under the bed, which is effectively what lockdown policies are. What do we do about it though?

Oh yeah, herd immunity, that's it.

And how's that worked out so far?

We haven't tried it in this country because the government shat its collective pants when some scientist came out with big scary numbers. Worked pretty well in Sweden though.

[Vassenor]

And how's that worked out so far?

We haven't tried it in this country because the government shat its collective pants when some scientist came out with big scary numbers. Worked pretty well in Sweden though.

If you call one of the highest per-capita death rates on the planet "working pretty well".