UK Politics Thread XIII: The Brexit Ship Departs

[The Huskar Social Union]

Also, what is "anti-British speech"?
Blaming the UK for it's Empire and how it controlled their colonial possessions?

Well there is actual Anti-British speech which is you know stuff like hating Britain, British people, British institutions, wanting to see the UK destroyed, blaming all British people for certain things, saying that British Culture is inferior or always inherently bad etc etc

Then there is cop out Anti-British speech which in my experience basically boils down to "How dare you criticise my country's history in anyway shape or form" or point out something broken or fucked up in British Society. Or even just criticising the government or daring to say maybe we should fix something which sometimes is met with a chorus of "Well why dont you just leave if you dont like it soo much"

If you mean something like a legal definition idk what they are using for that

[CoraSpia]

Also, what is "anti-British speech"?
Blaming the UK for it's Empire and how it controlled their colonial possessions?

Idk, you might as well ask what hate speech is. I put it in the category of 'name created by a particular group for speech that they don't like.' Both are nonsense obvs.

[The Nihilistic view]

Also, what is "anti-British speech"?
Blaming the UK for it's Empire and how it controlled their colonial possessions?

Supporting the EU over a fully independent UK.

[Ostroeuropa]

Just to be clear I accept the rationales on offer from certain folk in this thread for restricting speech and agree the free speech argument is a cynical ploy and that the Tories are just restricting speech while calling it free speech.

The problem those folks face is that I, and millions of others, agree with their argument. They won the argument over many years of insisting speech needs to be curtailed and ignoring people warning them consistently they were crafting a rod for their own back.

You won guys
The problem is... we view you as a dangerous, racist, sexist, authoritarian movement whose speech causes harm, and you protesting otherwise and trying to argue with us is meaningless to us as someone you view as a racist trying to argue they aren't would be to you.

Because that's the nature of censoring your views. This is not up for debate or discussion, we are not interested in doing that with you.

And that's why nobody cares that there are now moves to censor you.

You won the argument. Congratulations. Enjoy prison/unemployment/deplatforming etc.

And the reason you get people sick of woke shit wanting to curb your movement is obvious, but the reason genuine free speech advocates are on our side in this is... because its fucking funny.

You were warned for decades and once your movement is censored, deplatformed, and imprisoned out of existence, then we can debate with free speech types whether to break the rod you crafted. But not before giving you a few good smacks with it to teach you a lesson.

This seems to be direction that is being travelled right now.

[The Nihilistic view]

I think it's all still up I the air. We managed to win the free press argument and prevent the attempts to overly regulate it over the last ten years. A free press is a big part of free speech.

Maybe it's 1-1 and we are heading into extra time.

[Celritannia]

Also, what is "anti-British speech"?
Blaming the UK for it's Empire and how it controlled their colonial possessions?

Supporting the EU over a fully independent UK.

Rude and unbased pilled.

[Celritannia]

Also, what is "anti-British speech"?
Blaming the UK for it's Empire and how it controlled their colonial possessions?

Well there is actual Anti-British speech which is you know stuff like hating Britain, British people, British institutions, wanting to see the UK destroyed, blaming all British people for certain things, saying that British Culture is inferior or always inherently bad etc etc

Then there is cop out Anti-British speech which in my experience basically boils down to "How dare you criticise my country's history in anyway shape or form" or point out something broken or fucked up in British Society. Or even just criticising the government or daring to say maybe we should fix something which sometimes is met with a chorus of "Well why dont you just leave if you dont like it soo much"

If you mean something like a legal definition idk what they are using for that

This is it.

I don't mind people attack British history when there is legitimacy.
But saying "we should criticise everything about the UK" or "The UK cannot be criticised in anyway" is just silly.

[Celritannia]

I didn't say people don't listen to it.
I said 'does anyone like listening to it', and 'we should call it our when it happens'.

But the more people that do, can get radicalised and start threatening or harming others.

Then that's on them. You don't 'get radicalised,' you here something, think this sounds good and decide that you should start killing people. This is the same sort of argument that was used by think of the children types to attack video games and rock music and it's not gotten any more persuasive.

*Points to the Capitol Hill riots*.

[Chan Island]

Just to be clear I accept the rationales on offer from certain folk in this thread for restricting speech and agree the free speech argument is a cynical ploy and that the Tories are just restricting speech while calling it free speech.

The problem those folks face is that I, and millions of others, agree with their argument. They won the argument over many years of insisting speech needs to be curtailed and ignoring people warning them consistently they were crafting a rod for their own back.

You won guys
The problem is... we view you as a dangerous, racist, sexist, authoritarian movement whose speech causes harm, and you protesting otherwise and trying to argue with us is meaningless to us as someone you view as a racist trying to argue they aren't would be to you.

Because that's the nature of censoring your views. This is not up for debate or discussion, we are not interested in doing that with you.

And that's why nobody cares that there are now moves to censor you.

You won the argument. Congratulations. Enjoy prison/unemployment/deplatforming etc.

And the reason you get people sick of woke shit wanting to curb your movement is obvious, but the reason genuine free speech advocates are on our side in this is... because its fucking funny.

You were warned for decades and once your movement is censored, deplatformed, and imprisoned out of existence, then we can debate with free speech types whether to break the rod you crafted. But not before giving you a few good smacks with it to teach you a lesson.

This seems to be direction that is being travelled right now.

But of course the issue is that once the rod is introduced, it is extremely difficult to actually remove the rod, or to modify it into a harmless bit of background. Which is ever the greater irony with lefties advocating for censorship- despite inherently being the most probable people to be victimised by such tools, they argued for them to be brought into existence anyway, and now find that it's going to be damn near impossible to get out from under the boot.

It's like all of the measures put in place after 9/11. There're all still there, being blatant violations of freedom, just now being used on different targets.

The worst part is that the argument wasn't even overtly insane. The press had gone after innocent people in a way that was unacceptable. Hate movements did flourish online as the web allowed these cantankerous prats to find each other. Students did feel that the presence of hateful bigots on their campuses was violating the safety they felt on those premises. The first couple of folks that got hounded by Twitter were for the most part genuinely awful people.

But the end result is the same. It became acceptable to punish people for what they said. Certain opinions de facto became crimes. And those tools were immediately used by the people in power against the very people who argue that things should change- which is always the left, despite them being the very same people who wished these controls into existence in the first place.

I tell you, the past 10 years have been like watching a terrible tragedy at the theatre. I just wonder when King Lear's going to be walking in with dead Cordelia in his arms?

Also, what is "anti-British speech"?
Blaming the UK for it's Empire and how it controlled their colonial possessions?

Supporting the EU over a fully independent UK.

[Souseiseki]

I think it's all still up I the air. We managed to win the free press argument and prevent the attempts to overly regulate it over the last ten years. A free press is a big part of free speech.

Maybe it's 1-1 and we are heading into extra time.

you didn't win anything. you didn't regulate the media because the media is on your side and allowing them to make shit up like corbyn is a jam loving terrorist benefits you.

[Vassenor]

All this because white men aren't the center of the universe any more and that upsets some people.

[The Nihilistic view]

I think it's all still up I the air. We managed to win the free press argument and prevent the attempts to overly regulate it over the last ten years. A free press is a big part of free speech.

Maybe it's 1-1 and we are heading into extra time.

you didn't win anything. you didn't regulate the media because the media is on your side and allowing them to make shit up like corbyn is a jam loving terrorist benefits you.

Terrorist loving jam eater would have been more accurate.

[Celritannia]

I think it's all still up I the air. We managed to win the free press argument and prevent the attempts to overly regulate it over the last ten years. A free press is a big part of free speech.

Maybe it's 1-1 and we are heading into extra time.

you didn't win anything. you didn't regulate the media because the media is on your side and allowing them to make shit up like corbyn is a jam loving terrorist benefits you.

I always found that ironic, especially when the Tories have a former IRA member in their party.

[Ostroeuropa]

you didn't win anything. you didn't regulate the media because the media is on your side and allowing them to make shit up like corbyn is a jam loving terrorist benefits you.

I always found that ironic, especially when the Tories have a former IRA member in their party.

A former IRA member joining the unionist party is a bit of an indication that associating with him isn't associating with an anti British person.

Like, former neo nazi joins pro Israel party vs party leader wont stop praising neo nazis, insists he isn't one, keeps criticising Israel.

While some people are probably full on "Once an enemy always an enemy" I think most british nationalists are a but more practical about it.

After all, we haven't nuked France.

Yet.

[Celritannia]

I always found that ironic, especially when the Tories have a former IRA member in their party.

A former IRA member joining the unionist party is a bit of an indication that associating with him isn't associating with an anti British person.

Like, former neo nazi joins pro Israel party vs party leader wont stop praising neo nazis, insists he isn't one, keeps criticising Israel.

While some people are probably full on "Once an enemy always an enemy" I think most british nationalists are a but more practical about it.

After all, we haven't nuked France.

Yet.

It's ironic because an actual terrorist is in a party that proclaimed the least likely person to be a terrorist, a terrorist.

[Ostroeuropa]

A former IRA member joining the unionist party is a bit of an indication that associating with him isn't associating with an anti British person.

Like, former neo nazi joins pro Israel party vs party leader wont stop praising neo nazis, insists he isn't one, keeps criticising Israel.

While some people are probably full on "Once an enemy always an enemy" I think most british nationalists are a but more practical about it.

After all, we haven't nuked France.

Yet.

It's ironic because an actual terrorist is in a party that proclaimed the least likely person to be a terrorist, a terrorist.

It is a bit yes.

[The Nihilistic view]

I always found that ironic, especially when the Tories have a former IRA member in their party.

A former IRA member joining the unionist party is a bit of an indication that associating with him isn't associating with an anti British person.

Like, former neo nazi joins pro Israel party vs party leader wont stop praising neo nazis, insists he isn't one, keeps criticising Israel.

While some people are probably full on "Once an enemy always an enemy" I think most british nationalists are a but more practical about it.

After all, we haven't nuked France.

Yet.

Nuking France would just be putting French people out of their misery.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Nuking France would just be putting French people out of their misery.

It would also put Britain out of its misery in that French second strike.

[The Nihilistic view]

Nuking France would just be putting French people out of their misery.

It would also put Britain out of its misery in that French second strike.

They would have preemptively surrendered before we could launch a first strike.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

It would also put Britain out of its misery in that French second strike.

They would have preemptively surrendered before we could launch a first strike.

Assuming you could acquire Pentagon's consent and approval of launching their missiles on Paris in the first place.

[The New California Republic]

The death of an MI6 agent whose naked body was found inside a locked holdall at his London flat is to be reviewed.

Metropolitan Police investigators said new information about Gareth Williams, who died in 2010, had come to light.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-56158160

[Fartsniffage]

They would have preemptively surrendered before we could launch a first strike.

Assuming you could acquire Pentagon's consent and approval of launching their missiles on Paris in the first place.

UK has independent control of our nuclear arsenal.

[Hirota]

New Covid timetable! Roadmap starts on Page 24, (and summarised on Page 43) but the key bits are:
March 8th
School returns
Outdoor socialising relaxed to allow adults to meet for coffee or drink in a one-to-one scenario
March 29th
Rule of six or two households in public spaces or private gardens
Legal “Stay at Home” order will end
Government urging to work from home where possible will continue
No earlier than April 12th
Outdoor pub and restaurant serving only with no curfew or substantial meal rules
Non-essential shops to re-open
Hairdressers to re-open
Personal beauty shops to re-open
Libraries and museums to re-open
Gyms and leisure centres to re-open for single adults
Holiday lets
Driving lessons can resume
No earlier than May 17th
Indoor mixing allowed again, with rule of six
Pubs and restaurants indoor service re-opens
Cinemas re-open
Rule of six abandoned outdoors, restricted to 30
Sporting venues will reopen
No earlier than June 21st
All legal limits mixing
Large events and performances will be allowed again
No limits on weddings or other life events

[Celritannia]

New Covid timetable! Roadmap starts on Page 24, (and summarised on Page 43) but the key bits are:
March 8th
School returns
Outdoor socialising relaxed to allow adults to meet for coffee or drink in a one-to-one scenario
March 29th
Rule of six or two households in public spaces or private gardens
Legal “Stay at Home” order will end
Government urging to work from home where possible will continue
No earlier than April 12th
Outdoor pub and restaurant serving only with no curfew or substantial meal rules
Non-essential shops to re-open
Hairdressers to re-open
Personal beauty shops to re-open
Libraries and museums to re-open
Gyms and leisure centres to re-open for single adults
Holiday lets
Driving lessons can resume
No earlier than May 17th
Indoor mixing allowed again, with rule of six
Pubs and restaurants indoor service re-opens
Cinemas re-open
Rule of six abandoned outdoors, restricted to 30
Sporting venues will reopen
No earlier than June 21st
All legal limits mixing
Large events and performances will be allowed again
No limits on weddings or other life events

Let's just hope people don't start rushing all at once.

[Yawkland]

you didn't win anything. you didn't regulate the media because the media is on your side and allowing them to make shit up like corbyn is a jam loving terrorist benefits you.

I always found that ironic, especially when the Tories have a former IRA member in their party.

The union of Irish independists and aristocratic conservatives is exactly what we need to restore Stuart monarchs.