UK Politics Thread XIII: The Brexit Ship Departs

[CoraSpia]

Leaked documents from the US government show that multiple banks around the world have been implicated in allowing dirty money to be moved. These include HSBC, which allowed fraudsters to move millions of pounds of stolen money, and Barclays, which allowed Russian oligarchs to bypass sanctions on Russia.

Naughty naughty.

Well, those sanctions on Russia were a bad idea anyway.

[The New California Republic]

Leaked documents from the US government show that multiple banks around the world have been implicated in allowing dirty money to be moved. These include HSBC, which allowed fraudsters to move millions of pounds of stolen money, and Barclays, which allowed Russian oligarchs to bypass sanctions on Russia.

Naughty naughty.

Banks have so much dirt under their nails that you'd need a JCB to get it all out.

[The Nihilistic view]

Also it seems like there's potentially going to be a special exemption from the lockdown rules for Christmas.

After every other major religious holiday has been shafted.

I mean we do have a state religion and it's not Jewish....

[Salandriagado]

Also it seems like there's potentially going to be a special exemption from the lockdown rules for Christmas.

After every other major religious holiday has been shafted.

I mean we do have a state religion and it's not Jewish....

And I'm sure the virus will recognise that and take Christmas off.

[Vassenor]

Also it seems like there's potentially going to be a special exemption from the lockdown rules for Christmas.

After every other major religious holiday has been shafted.

I mean we do have a state religion and it's not Jewish....

So that makes it OK to discriminate against other religions then hold them responsible for flareups?

[Novus America]

I mean we do have a state religion and it's not Jewish....

So that makes it OK to discriminate against other religions then hold them responsible for flareups?

You already discriminate. Okay? Maybe not.
But given you already have law given one religion a benefit of others, it is not really surprising, or probably even illegal to give that religion benefits over others.

Your constitution already discriminates on the basis of religion, given religious discrimination is explicitly in your constitution, then it is not surprising really.

[Fartsniffage]

So that makes it OK to discriminate against other religions then hold them responsible for flareups?

You already discriminate. Okay? Maybe not.
But given you already have law given one religion a benefit of others, it is not really surprising, or probably even illegal to give that religion benefits over others.

Your constitution already discriminates on the basis of religion, given religious discrimination is explicitly in your constitution, then it is not surprising really.

Easter got no special treatment.

But this is just sensible. The alternative is to have the police have everyone in on Christmas day driving around the country giving fines. And that won't go down well.

[Novus America]

You already discriminate. Okay? Maybe not.
But given you already have law given one religion a benefit of others, it is not really surprising, or probably even illegal to give that religion benefits over others.

Your constitution already discriminates on the basis of religion, given religious discrimination is explicitly in your constitution, then it is not surprising really.

Easter got no special treatment.

But this is just sensible. The alternative is to have the police have everyone in on Christmas day driving around the country giving fines. And that won't go down well.

Fair point, but that also explains why on Christmas will get this, because it is the most popular as well as being part of the state religion. You are not required to give minority religions equal treatment, as you already do not do so.

The issue is not that you might religiously discriminate, as religious discrimination is in your constitution.
The funny part was Vas playing the this was shocking and surprising.

[Fartsniffage]

Easter got no special treatment.

But this is just sensible. The alternative is to have the police have everyone in on Christmas day driving around the country giving fines. And that won't go down well.

Fair point, but that also explains why on Christmas will get this, because it is the most popular as well as being part of the state religion. You are not required to give minority religions equal treatment, as you already do not do so.

The issue is not that you might religiously discriminate, as religious discrimination is in your constitution.
The funny part was Vas playing the this was shocking and surprising.

In the UK Christmas is observed by almost everyone. It's pretty much secular at this point. Kinda hard to tell your kids that Santa thinks they've been naughty if you're Muslim.

[Novus America]

Fair point, but that also explains why on Christmas will get this, because it is the most popular as well as being part of the state religion. You are not required to give minority religions equal treatment, as you already do not do so.

The issue is not that you might religiously discriminate, as religious discrimination is in your constitution.
The funny part was Vas playing the this was shocking and surprising.

In the UK Christmas is observed by almost everyone. It's pretty much secular at this point. Kinda hard to tell your kids that Santa thinks they've been naughty if you're Muslim.

Well fair, but this still would undermine Vas trying to make this out to be unusual and shocking.

Although you should have this somewhat under control by Christmas, and no lock downs then, one would think.

[Fartsniffage]

In the UK Christmas is observed by almost everyone. It's pretty much secular at this point. Kinda hard to tell your kids that Santa thinks they've been naughty if you're Muslim.

Well fair, but this still would undermine Vas trying to make this out to be unusual and shocking.

Although you should have this somewhat under control by Christmas, and no lock downs then, one would think.

It is unusual. It's not been done for anything during a lockdown in the UK. It's just sensible.

Hah. Not a chance.

[Novus America]

Well fair, but this still would undermine Vas trying to make this out to be unusual and shocking.

Although you should have this somewhat under control by Christmas, and no lock downs then, one would think.

It is unusual. It's not been done for anything during a lockdown in the UK. It's just sensible.

Hah. Not a chance.

Well in that case, if it is sensible, that would still undermine her claim that it is so bad.

I just do not see why she acts shocked about it.

Anyways on the last part, I still have no idea what the heck is going on over there. The US has less problems than you do, despite our plenty of fuck ups. We handled this badly, but still are not in the state of confusion that you are.

We do not really have many lockdowns anymore, so we are not really thinking about Christmas lockdowns.

Most places are well past the lock down point by now. Most other places seem to have things stabilized without lockdowns, and just using sensible measures.

[Fartsniffage]

It is unusual. It's not been done for anything during a lockdown in the UK. It's just sensible.

Hah. Not a chance.

Well in that case, if it is sensible, that would still undermine her claim that it is so bad.

I just do not see why she acts shocked about it.

Anyways on the last part, I still have no idea what the heck is going on over there. The US has less problems than you do, despite our plenty of fuck ups. We handled this badly, but still are not in the state of confusion that you are.

We do not really have many lockdowns anymore, so we are not really thinking about Christmas lockdowns.

Most places are well past the lock down point by now. Most other places seem to have things stabilized without lockdowns, and just using sensible measures.

That's mostly because you never got out of you first peak and have accepted mass deaths rather than doing anything serious about it. We got to have a period where the deaths were in single figures per day. You never got below triple figures.

[Dumb Ideologies]

On Christmas day your calories don't count and you can't catch the Rona. Jesus's little gift.

[Novus America]

Well in that case, if it is sensible, that would still undermine her claim that it is so bad.

I just do not see why she acts shocked about it.

Anyways on the last part, I still have no idea what the heck is going on over there. The US has less problems than you do, despite our plenty of fuck ups. We handled this badly, but still are not in the state of confusion that you are.

We do not really have many lockdowns anymore, so we are not really thinking about Christmas lockdowns.

Most places are well past the lock down point by now. Most other places seem to have things stabilized without lockdowns, and just using sensible measures.

That's mostly because you never got out of you first peak and have accepted mass deaths rather than doing anything serious about it. We got to have a period where the deaths were in single figures per day. You never got below triple figures.

We did get out of a peak, the numbers have stabilized well below the peak. (We also have a much lower death rate for those infected than the UK, something I still do not understand).

At this point maybe it it is your expectations. You cannot stop it now.
Just accept you are not going to fix it. Do responsible things, like masks and places at half capacity, no touch pay, shields between customers and the cashiers and a lot of testing. If you do that, and do it not completely horribly, you can get things somewhat under control with a long term thing that is sustainable. This is what most places are doing.

If you can keep stable without locks downs, going into lockdowns again is not a good idea. You need a long term strategy, (yes which will have to expect a certain number of deaths), simply jumping back and forth from one extreme to another is not a productive way of doing things.

[Fartsniffage]

On Christmas day your calories don't count and you can't catch the Rona. Jesus's little gift.

Quality Street is a treatment for Coronavirus. *nods*

[The Huskar Social Union]

On Christmas day your calories don't count and you can't catch the Rona. Jesus's little gift.

thnx little jc you da man x

[The New California Republic]

Although you should have this somewhat under control by Christmas, and no lock downs then, one would think.

No. If it is anything resembling the seasonality of flu, then Coronavirus will be with us at higher levels from now onwards until the spring.

[The New California Republic]

The husband of one of the Conservative Party's biggest donors was secretly funded by a Russian oligarch with close ties to President Putin.

Lubov Chernukhin has given £1.7m to the Tories, including paying to spend time with the last three prime ministers.

Leaked files show her husband received $8m (£6.1m). The money initially came from a politician facing US sanctions due to his closeness to the Kremlin.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54228079

[The Nihilistic view]

I mean we do have a state religion and it's not Jewish....

So that makes it OK to discriminate against other religions then hold them responsible for flareups?

Yep, I mean if you allowed all religious festivals you'd be pausing lockdown every 3 days. So you allow the most important holiday of your state religion that everybody else takes as a family day and enjoys anyway.

[CoraSpia]

So that makes it OK to discriminate against other religions then hold them responsible for flareups?

Yep, I mean if you allowed all religious festivals you'd be pausing lockdown every 3 days. So you allow the most important holiday of your state religion that everybody else takes as a family day and enjoys anyway.

Most days are a celebration if we look at every religion. I'm good with pausing lockdown for all of them honestly, we can't be discriminating here.

[North American Imperial State]

Yep, I mean if you allowed all religious festivals you'd be pausing lockdown every 3 days. So you allow the most important holiday of your state religion that everybody else takes as a family day and enjoys anyway.

Most days are a celebration if we look at every religion. I'm good with pausing lockdown for all of them honestly, we can't be discriminating here.

Yer and just get rid of social distance and masks and washing our hands just to keep every region happy.
Better yet just ask Covid 19 to not happen during religious festivals. Smh

[Novus America]

Although you should have this somewhat under control by Christmas, and no lock downs then, one would think.

No. If it is anything resembling the seasonality of flu, then Coronavirus will be with us at higher levels from now onwards until the spring.

Well, I said somewhat under control, obviously not eliminated. Sure an increase might happen, although the fact that in the normal flu seasons no measures (again there is a reasonable middle ground between do nothing and lock downs) are taken, it is not known how measures like most places are taking would alter flu numbers. But a some increase, as long as it is not overwhelming your hospitals and such, still can be accounted for, and managed.

Still just keeping to the more reasonable measures, like most other places are doing, rather than swinging back and forth on what to do, probably should keep the numbers in check to some degree. As such things already have been shown to work fairly well (again things like masks, places at capacity, plastic shields between customers and employees, extra emphasis on sanitation and cleaning, employees who can telework with minimal issues doing so).

Very few places are planning lockdowns. And many are in fact planning NOT to have them, and focusing on how to deal with the situation WITHOUT resorting to lockdowns.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

No government wants to lose votes by being the ones who ruined Christmas. It's not about religion, or discrimination, it is about votes, the retail economy, and public morale.

[CoraSpia]

Most days are a celebration if we look at every religion. I'm good with pausing lockdown for all of them honestly, we can't be discriminating here.

Yer and just get rid of social distance and masks and washing our hands just to keep every region happy.
Better yet just ask Covid 19 to not happen during religious festivals. Smh

I'm good with that, I'm happy to go for a policy of 'hope it goes away.'