UK Politics Thread XIII: The Brexit Ship Departs

[CoraSpia]

2 things today.

1st:

Brexit has now cost more than the International Space Station.
Remember when this was supposed to be "the easiest deal", or "£350,000 for the NHS"? Yeah, if we didn't have Brexit, the UK could have had it's own Space Station

How can the Tories fuck this up so much? When the UK was in the EU, we payed less than 1% of our GDP to the EU annually. That's fucking pennies compared to the shit show we are in now, (although it was always pennies tbf).

The Tories have failed the negotiations more than they will ever admit. It's fucking hilarious and infuriating how much they can fuck everything up so easily.

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2nd:

Coronavirus: Hospitals told not to test staff or patients for Covid-19

"Highest testing in Western Europe" - sure, but how many people are actually getting fucking tested, and how many test do we have?
Asking hospitals not to test their staff or patients is a number one sure way we will be ineffective to bring the number of COVID cases down.

How inept does this fucking government have to be to not even realise we need testing for our medical workers more than anyone else? Medical workers can't test with claps Boris. You want to put them at risk, as well as people in hospital?

The ineptitude of this fucking government is beyond belief.

I still don't understand why if I got a test done in Italy it would take 30 minutes whereas in the UK you wait days for the result.

[North Cromch]

At this point, we need some sort of civil war to teach the Tories a lesson that will persist.

[North American Imperial State]

At this point, we need some sort of civil war to teach the Tories a lesson that will persist.

Yes during Covid 19 and with huge spikes in cases and also at a time when the police are stretched to the limits, what could possibly go wrong?

[The Nihilistic view]

2 things today.

1st:

Brexit has now cost more than the International Space Station.
Remember when this was supposed to be "the easiest deal", or "£350,000 for the NHS"? Yeah, if we didn't have Brexit, the UK could have had it's own Space Station

How can the Tories fuck this up so much? When the UK was in the EU, we payed less than 1% of our GDP to the EU annually. That's fucking pennies compared to the shit show we are in now, (although it was always pennies tbf).

The Tories have failed the negotiations more than they will ever admit. It's fucking hilarious and infuriating how much they can fuck everything up so easily.

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2nd:

Coronavirus: Hospitals told not to test staff or patients for Covid-19

"Highest testing in Western Europe" - sure, but how many people are actually getting fucking tested, and how many test do we have?
Asking hospitals not to test their staff or patients is a number one sure way we will be ineffective to bring the number of COVID cases down.

How inept does this fucking government have to be to not even realise we need testing for our medical workers more than anyone else? Medical workers can't test with claps Boris. You want to put them at risk, as well as people in hospital?

The ineptitude of this fucking government is beyond belief.

I wonder how much David Jinks gets paid to willfully misinterpret statistics.

You can't compare the Eurozone as a whole where many countries had different measures and shorter lockdowns. You have to look at countries that had similar lockdowns to us and also the timing between the 1st and 2nd quarter.

So our GDP reduction was 2% 1st and 20% 2nd. France for example was 5.9% and 13.8%, Italy was 5.4% and 12.4%, Spain 5.2% and 18.9%. Germany 2% and 10.1%. Just to contrast to the other big European economies.

What do you notice here? First the worse the lockdown the worse the growth drop. 2nd most European countries had bigger drop in growth in Q1 than the UK why? Because of when the pandemic hit these countries. So no that 8% Q2 gap has nothing to do with Brexit, the guy is obviously bitter at leaving and so ignores basic analysis to fit his narrative. For the year to date there really is not any difference between countries with similar lockdowns.

[Celritannia]

2 things today.

1st:

Brexit has now cost more than the International Space Station.
Remember when this was supposed to be "the easiest deal", or "£350,000 for the NHS"? Yeah, if we didn't have Brexit, the UK could have had it's own Space Station

How can the Tories fuck this up so much? When the UK was in the EU, we payed less than 1% of our GDP to the EU annually. That's fucking pennies compared to the shit show we are in now, (although it was always pennies tbf).

The Tories have failed the negotiations more than they will ever admit. It's fucking hilarious and infuriating how much they can fuck everything up so easily.

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2nd:

Coronavirus: Hospitals told not to test staff or patients for Covid-19

"Highest testing in Western Europe" - sure, but how many people are actually getting fucking tested, and how many test do we have?
Asking hospitals not to test their staff or patients is a number one sure way we will be ineffective to bring the number of COVID cases down.

How inept does this fucking government have to be to not even realise we need testing for our medical workers more than anyone else? Medical workers can't test with claps Boris. You want to put them at risk, as well as people in hospital?

The ineptitude of this fucking government is beyond belief.

I wonder how much David Jinks gets paid to willfully misinterpret statistics.

You can't compare the Eurozone as a whole where many countries had different measures and shorter lockdowns. You have to look at countries that had similar lockdowns to us and also the timing between the 1st and 2nd quarter.

So our GDP reduction was 2% 1st and 20% 2nd. France for example was 5.9% and 13.8%, Italy was 5.4% and 12.4%, Spain 5.2% and 18.9%. Germany 2% and 10.1%. Just to contrast to the other big European economies.

What do you notice here? First the worse the lockdown the worse the growth drop. 2nd most European countries had bigger drop in growth in Q1 than the UK why? Because of when the pandemic hit these countries. So no that 8% Q2 gap has nothing to do with Brexit, the guy is obviously bitter at leaving and so ignores basic analysis to fit his narrative. For the year to date there really is not any difference between countries with similar lockdowns.

You have not mentioned anything about the Tories telling NHS workers not to use testing for themselves or their patients.
Let's also not forget the Tories did fuck all at the beginning of the pandemic, then lowered restrictions, and are now starting them again.
Stopping and starting lockdown and doing nothing in the beginning is why we are in this mess.

But who cares if our NHS workers who have COVID and can't be tested, because the economy is more important

[Salandriagado]

Not quite. There's a massive spike in young adults. Children are still very low by all data that I can find.

It was actually cited on the BBC news but I'm now struggling to find it.

EDIT: found it:

The ONS infection survey, which tests thousands of people in random households whether they have symptoms or not, estimated there were around 6,000 new infections a day in the week to 10 September - up from 3,200 the week before.

It found infection rates were highest in the North West and London, and children aged two to 11 and young people aged 17 to 34 had most positive tests.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54206705

OK, so that's some fucking awful reporting. You can find the actual report here. You can see the actual state of things in Figures 2b (raw numbers) and 4 (per capita), reproduced below. I think what they're reporting on is % positivity: that is, the percentage of tests in that population that are coming back positive. This is misleading, though, as children are still being tested less than adults.

Raw numbers:

Per capita:

[The Huskar Social Union]

Didnt expect to read this today

[Andsed]

Didnt expect to read this today

Of all the people she could have dressed up as, why Mr T? Like that is just asking for trouble, in both a race aspect and in how impossible that would be to pull off.

[Souseiseki]

imagine being some hard ass soviet intelligence officer who somehow ended up in a coma for 40 years and waking up to discover that you can now blackmail westerners with tweets

[Ostroeuropa]

imagine being some hard ass soviet intelligence officer who somehow ended up in a coma for 40 years and waking up to discover that you can now blackmail westerners with tweets

You have to wonder if they'd view it as their work coming to fruition and if they'd view the progressive left as the faction of the left that the USSR cultivated.

[Tomislavija]

Idk, this YouTube video claims Oldenburg will be the future dynasty

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V-71KyQG7WQ

And what is their logic for how a Prince Consort gets to dictate things like that over the King Regnant?

Ancient royal marrieg rule, defines a dynasty according to the male line. So, since the the King Regnant is from the House of Oldenburg, every other descendant are from this dynasty as well.

[Vassenor]

And what is their logic for how a Prince Consort gets to dictate things like that over the King Regnant?

Ancient royal marrieg rule, defines a dynasty according to the male line. So, since the the King Regnant is from the House of Oldenburg, every other descendant are from this dynasty as well.

And how many times have our rules of succession been re-written since then?

[Vassenor]

OK, so it would seem that Operation Moonshot is largely about funnelling cash to Boris' half-brother.

Can't say I'm shocked by the blatant nepotism and cronyism any more.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

What a great time to be an opposition party.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Didnt expect to read this today

This is the um... "costume" by the way

Personally i thought this was gona be far worse when i heard about it, and ive not actually seen anyone give off about it yet or complain about her for it (yet anyway), and given its the belfast telegraph whose quality can be.... questionable, at times. I wouldnt be surprised if this was just to get a dig in at her and nothing more from them. I dont think anyone would have really paid attention if she didnt make a tweet about it.

[Vassenor]

Didnt expect to read this today

This is the um... "costume" by the way

Personally i thought this was gona be far worse when i heard about it, and ive not actually seen anyone give off about it yet or complain about her for it (yet anyway), and given its the belfast telegraph whose quality can be.... questionable, at times. I wouldnt be surprised if this was just to get a dig in at her and nothing more from them. I dont think anyone would have really paid attention if she didnt make a tweet about it.

Yeah, I was expecting boot-polish blackface from what was going down. Sounds a little bit like heading off something a tabloid threatened to go big with.

[Ostroeuropa]

Didnt expect to read this today

Of all the people she could have dressed up as, why Mr T? Like that is just asking for trouble, in both a race aspect and in how impossible that would be to pull off.

Hot Take:

Progressives cannot simultaneously whine about how minority actors and characters aren't as important to the cultural zeitgeist AND whine about white people (The majority) dressing as them and stuff. The latter directly feeds into the former.

(I am aware that cosplay is only a minor aspect of this topic. But it is an aspect, and i'd like to focus on that aspect. I can fully concede there is a number of other reasons minority characters are sidelined in the cultural zeitgeist.)

The latter directly feeds into the former in the following way:

Pure Memetics:

By limiting cosplay and depictions of the character to a minority of the population you are preventing conversation about and reminders of the character from the majority of the population. The amount of time thinking about the character is directly limited by this in that white people will reach a thought terminating moment of "I cannot do blackface" and pick another character, rather than spending time considering the character and how to get the costume right. In addition, it will prompt less opportunities for conversation about the character that the costume prompts from observers, instead shifting those conversations to white characters the white person has dressed up as.

Psychologically:

This dynamic insists that such characters are not "for" white people and implicitly encourages them to seek out others they are encouraged to identify with and emulate.

Generating resentment:

Lastly the political-psychological aspect of generating resentment between demographic groups among some of the populace.

I think there's a need for more emphasis on the derogatory elements of racial cosplay rather than the lazy assumption that "If you're (a white person) dressed as a different race, it's bad." It seems to be that the fact 'context is hard' has been offloaded from those opposed to the practice on to white people, an abdication of the work and thought necessary to argue for why something is wrong in particular in exchange for a blanket rule. This is not only unfair to white people as has been argued, but does also impact the prevalence of minority depictions.

Offloading your laziness and unwillingness to articulate why racial cosplay is wrong in each instance by developing a blanket rule and develop nuance is unfair and unproductive both in terms of fostering understanding, and in terms of achieving the goals you want to reach.

I'm more open to the idea that a halloween costume about native americans that reduces them to a feather in the cap and scantily clad women is unacceptable to the idea that a child dressing as MLK do to their speeches for a presentation on show and tell is, but a generic "Blackface is wrong" assertion fails to grasp these nuances, largely out of the laziness of those who assert it.

[Vassenor]

Of all the people she could have dressed up as, why Mr T? Like that is just asking for trouble, in both a race aspect and in how impossible that would be to pull off.

Hot Take:

Progressives cannot simultaneously whine about how minority actors and characters aren't as important to the cultural zeitgeist AND whine about white people (The majority) dressing as them and stuff. The latter directly feeds into the former.

(I am aware that cosplay is only a minor aspect of this topic. But it is an aspect, and i'd like to focus on that aspect. I can fully concede there is a number of other reasons minority characters are sidelined in the cultural zeitgeist.)

The latter directly feeds into the former in the following way:

Pure Memetics:

By limiting cosplay and depictions of the character to a minority of the population you are preventing conversation about and reminders of the character from the majority of the population. The amount of time thinking about the character is directly limited by this in that white people will reach a thought terminating moment of "I cannot do blackface" and pick another character, rather than spending time considering the character and how to get the costume right. In addition, it will prompt less opportunities for conversation about the character that the costume prompts from observers, instead shifting those conversations to white characters the white person has dressed up as.

Psychologically:

This dynamic insists that such characters are not "for" white people and implicitly encourages them to seek out others they are encouraged to identify with and emulate.

Generating resentment:

Lastly the political-psychological aspect of generating resentment between demographic groups among some of the populace.

I think there's a need for more emphasis on the derogatory elements of racial cosplay rather than the lazy assumption that "If you're (a white person) dressed as a different race, it's bad." It seems to be that the fact 'context is hard' has been offloaded from those opposed to the practice on to white people, an abdication of the work and thought necessary to argue for why something is wrong in particular in exchange for a blanket rule. This is not only unfair to white people as has been argued, but does also impact the prevalence of minority depictions.

Offloading your laziness and unwillingness to articulate why racial cosplay is wrong in each instance by developing a blanket rule and develop nuance is unfair and unproductive both in terms of fostering understanding, and in terms of achieving the goals you want to reach.

I'm more open to the idea that a halloween costume about native americans that reduces them to a feather in the cap and scantily clad women is unacceptable to the idea that a child dressing as MLK do to their speeches for a presentation on show and tell is, but a generic "Blackface is wrong" assertion fails to grasp these nuances, largely out of the laziness of those who assert it.

And there we go with another rant about the evils of progressivism because someone did a "racism is bad". It's almost Pavlovian.

[Andsed]

Didnt expect to read this today

This is the um... "costume" by the way

Personally i thought this was gona be far worse when i heard about it, and ive not actually seen anyone give off about it yet or complain about her for it (yet anyway), and given its the belfast telegraph whose quality can be.... questionable, at times. I wouldnt be surprised if this was just to get a dig in at her and nothing more from them. I dont think anyone would have really paid attention if she didnt make a tweet about it.

Oh. I mean that is a shitty consume(no offense that is just a fact) but I mean that does not feel like something worth complaining about. Seems like she just like used a marker to draw a fake beard and put on some clothes that look like something Mr T would wear. A low effort costume, but not something on the level of blackface.

[The Huskar Social Union]

This is the um... "costume" by the way

Personally i thought this was gona be far worse when i heard about it, and ive not actually seen anyone give off about it yet or complain about her for it (yet anyway), and given its the belfast telegraph whose quality can be.... questionable, at times. I wouldnt be surprised if this was just to get a dig in at her and nothing more from them. I dont think anyone would have really paid attention if she didnt make a tweet about it.

Oh. I mean that is a shitty consume(no offense that is just a fact) but I mean that does not feel like something worth complaining about.

I dont think anyone would have really known about it/cared about if she didnt make a tweet thread about it.

Most talk ive seen about it on social media here has just been people making fun of her for a shite costume and the occasional person saying pc gone mad.

[Vassenor]

Also it seems like there's potentially going to be a special exemption from the lockdown rules for Christmas.

After every other major religious holiday has been shafted.

[Ifreann]

Also it seems like there's potentially going to be a special exemption from the lockdown rules for Christmas.

After every other major religious holiday has been shafted.

Those were heathen and heretic holidays.

[The New California Republic]

Also it seems like there's potentially going to be a special exemption from the lockdown rules for Christmas.

After every other major religious holiday has been shafted.

There have been numerous instances of exceptionalism from MPs and Tories in general, so no surprise.

[Philjia]

Leaked documents from the US government show that multiple banks around the world have been implicated in allowing dirty money to be moved. These include HSBC, which allowed fraudsters to move millions of pounds of stolen money, and Barclays, which allowed Russian oligarchs to bypass sanctions on Russia.

Naughty naughty.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Leaked documents from the US government show that multiple banks around the world have been implicated in allowing dirty money to be moved. These include HSBC, which allowed fraudsters to move millions of pounds of stolen money, and Barclays, which allowed Russian oligarchs to bypass sanctions on Russia.

Naughty naughty.

Adverts trumpet how much more ethical than us mere little humans they are, and yet banks continue to be banks and do banky things.