UK Politics Thread XIII: The Brexit Ship Departs

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Government to throw £10m of public cash at project to 'transition' paramilitaries into community groups

Full article is behind a pay wall but you can read this part:

The Government is throwing £10m of public cash at a project to help paramilitary gangs in areas ravaged by recent riots 'transition' into community groups.

The massive spend, which has been branded "incredible" by politicians, was signed off by the Executive Office last week.

Schemes supported by loyalists and republicans in Belfast (right), Derry and Carrickfergus - which bore the brunt of the past seven days of trouble - will receive millions of pounds in funding. Several of these involve former UVF and IRA prisoners.

This place is a joke. Ill try and find the full article without the paywall or a quote of it at least to share here.

The NI healthcare system is in fucking tatters, mental health is at an all time low and growing use of foodbanks but hey lets give 10 million quid to people who rioted and vandalised their own areas recently so they can do "Community work" fuck me what an embarrassment.

So we know enough about these organisations to give them millions in taxpayer money but not to fucking arrest them all? Okay sure.

This is blatant corruption at its worst. And considering the way things are going right now, its all too possible that money will soon be spent not on community renovation, but on guns and bombs.

[The Blaatschapen]

See this is the problem with violence, it just snowballs and before anyone realises it we are in a very dark place.

That is also literally the problem with avalanches.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

This is another paywalled article but you can still get the few top quotes. Again im trying to find the full thing to post here:

UVF orders removal of Catholic families from Carrickfergus housing estate in '21st century form of ethnic cleansing'

The UVF has ordered the removal of Catholic families from a housing estate in Carrickfergus in what has been termed a "form of 21st century ethnic cleansing".

The terror gang was behind attacks on three homes in the Woodburn estate in which they believed Catholics have been staying. Sources say the attacks were based purely on rumours about the occupants or people linked to them.

Windows at properties on Cherry Walk and Glenfield Walk were smashed late last Wednesday night. The home of a pensioner on Pinewood Avenue, who only moved into the bungalow last month, was also targeted. Some of the occupants are understood to have since fled the area.

But hey we need to give them money so they can do community work right?


edit: Got the full article

The UVF has ordered the removal of Catholic families from a housing estate in Carrickfergus in what has been termed a "form of 21st century ethnic cleansing".

The terror gang was behind attacks on three homes in the Woodburn estate in which they believed Catholics have been staying. Sources say the attacks were based purely on rumours about the occupants or people linked to them.

Windows at properties on Cherry Walk and Glenfield Walk were smashed late last Wednesday night. The home of a pensioner on Pinewood Avenue, who only moved into the bungalow last month, was also targeted. Some of the occupants are understood to have since fled the area.

The PSNI's Sergeant Cowan said: "Just after 9pm we received a report that the living room window of a property in the Glenfield Walk area had been smashed at 8.20pm.

"At 9.40pm we received two further reports that windows had been smashed at houses in the Cherry Walk and Pinewood Avenue areas. In both cases a man wearing a balaclava was seen running from both addresses."

Security sources told Sunday Life that the UVF was behind the attacks having ordered the removal of all Catholics from loyalist estates in Carrickfergus. Sources say they were ordered purely on the basis of rumours about the occupants or people linked to them.

"It's a form of 21st century ethnic cleansing," said the insider. "The UVF has drawn up a list of people living in Woodburn who they suspect are Catholics, or are living with Catholics."

The attacks are taking place despite the Executive Office spending millions of pounds of public cash in Carrickfergus on trying to convince loyalist gun gangs to abandon criminality through its Tackling Paramilitary Activity programme. A further £10million was committed to the fund last week.

The UVF is heavily involved in the project which pledges to "provide support and legitimate alternatives to all ex-prisoners/former combatants to reintegrate into society".

But the smashing up of homes by the UVF in which it believed Catholics had been staying makes a mockery of its transformation commitment.

Alliance MLA Stewart Dickson condemned the UVF violence, calling it "raw, naked sectarianism".

He said: "I know the vast majority of people in Carrickfergus will be horrified at these brutal attacks on innocent families.

"There is no place for this behaviour - it is dangerous and wrong. Clearly, the attempts to wean these sectarian gangs away from their activities by handing out government financial inducements is now a failed policy.

"The only reward for this behaviour must be a stiff jail sentence.

"I welcome the work of the Paramilitary Crime Taskforce in the area and look forward to their continued success in rooting out these thugs.

"Meanwhile, my sympathy goes to those families affected. I know there will be many decent people working on the ground in these areas from churches and other agencies trying to provide assurance and working to help families, and I pledge my support to them."

Loyalists rioted on the North Road in Carrickfergus for two nights last week, throwing dozens of petrol bombs at police lines. The violence was in response to what they claimed is frustration over the Irish Sea customs border and a lack of prosecutions connected to the funeral of IRA leader Bobby Storey.

The attacks on the PSNI were encouraged by both the South East Antrim UDA and UVF who warned teens involved not to riot in loyalist estates, and to instead take the trouble onto the North Road which is on the edge of the Castlemara and Sunnylands areas.

Holy shit. The UVF is running Catholics out of a housing estate?

[The Huskar Social Union]

This is another paywalled article but you can still get the few top quotes. Again im trying to find the full thing to post here:

UVF orders removal of Catholic families from Carrickfergus housing estate in '21st century form of ethnic cleansing'



But hey we need to give them money so they can do community work right?


edit: Got the full article

Holy shit. The UVF is running Catholics out of a housing estate?

They and the UDA have been doing it for years, these are some of the more notable examples in just Belfast over the last few years:

2011 had a large series of riots which were instigated by the UVF targeting nationalist areas such as the Short Strand in east Belfast and Ardoyne in North Belfast.
2017 in east belfast
2020 in North Belfast (Not confirmed but basically everyone thinks it was them)

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Holy shit. The UVF is running Catholics out of a housing estate?

They and the UDA have been doing it for years, these are some of the more notable examples in just Belfast over the last few years:

2011 had a large series of riots which were instigated by the UVF targeting nationalist areas such as the Short Strand in east Belfast and Ardoyne in North Belfast.
2017 in east belfast
2020 in North Belfast (Not confirmed but basically everyone thinks it was them)

It's like the troubles didn't end, they just turned the noise down so people can sleep .

[Washington Resistance Army]

They and the UDA have been doing it for years, these are some of the more notable examples in just Belfast over the last few years:

2011 had a large series of riots which were instigated by the UVF targeting nationalist areas such as the Short Strand in east Belfast and Ardoyne in North Belfast.
2017 in east belfast
2020 in North Belfast (Not confirmed but basically everyone thinks it was them)

It's like the troubles didn't end, they just turned the noise down so people can sleep .

That's more or less exactly what happened. All the big boys sat down and declared a ceasefire and the GFA and whatnot happened but there has been ongoing violence since.

[The Huskar Social Union]

It's like the troubles didn't end, they just turned the noise down so people can sleep .

That's more or less exactly what happened. All the big boys sat down and declared a ceasefire and the GFA and whatnot happened but there has been ongoing violence since.

Some of the more notable dissident republican actions the last few years has been the CIRA shooting at a helicopter in Fermanagh, the CIRA also tried to plant a bomb on a ferry at the start of 2020 and the New IRA killed a Journalist in early 2019 and detonated a car bomb in Derry.

Not sure which group but they also attacked a police officer not too long ago near a petrol station too with an AK rifle iirc but thankfully no one was injured and it didnt hit anything that could go up in flames.

edit: they should be mentioned in that article im near certain.

[Heloin]

It's like the troubles didn't end, they just turned the noise down so people can sleep .

That's more or less exactly what happened. All the big boys sat down and declared a ceasefire and the GFA and whatnot happened but there has been ongoing violence since.

The dissident campaign has the severe disadvantage that the command structure of the PIRA and INLA supported peace. Say what you will but the PIRA was probably the single most effective military force in Northern Ireland for most of the Troubles. Sure the Continuity and Real IRA are a real danger and threat to peace to some extent but the when the PIRA committed to peace after Good Friday they effectively neutered physical force republicanism.

The larger danger at present is that those command structures while dormant still exist to some capacity and the UDA and UVF never dismantled to the same effect as the Republican paramilitary forces. The violence we see at present has a real risk of spiralling out of control and with the British government seemingly unwilling to treat this danger seriously then they risk more then the Dissident republicans could have ever achieved on their own.

[Washington Resistance Army]

That's more or less exactly what happened. All the big boys sat down and declared a ceasefire and the GFA and whatnot happened but there has been ongoing violence since.

The dissident campaign has the severe disadvantage that the command structure of the PIRA and INLA supported peace. Say what you will but the PIRA was probably the single most effective military force in Northern Ireland for most of the Troubles. Sure the Continuity and Real IRA are a real danger and threat to peace to some extent but the when the PIRA committed to peace after Good Friday they effectively neutered physical force republicanism.

The larger danger at present is that those command structures while dormant still exist to some capacity and the UDA and UVF never dismantled to the same effect as the Republican paramilitary forces. The violence we see at present has a real risk of spiralling out of control and with the British government seemingly unwilling to treat this danger seriously then they risk more then the Dissident republicans could have ever achieved on their own.

Oh yeah my big concern with the recent violence is if it continues and the British gov continues to seem so lax on it that it could push the CIRA and other such groups to actually become more popular again and their campaigns to get more steam in them. Especially given the functionally infinite support Irish republicans have in the form of Irish-Americans willing to bankroll and arm them, there's a real chance for it to spiral out of control hard.

[Ainland]

The Good Friday Agreement was enormously significant and improved the lives of many people in Northern Ireland a lot through greatly reduced conflict and violence.

Unfortunately, it seems to be that many of the current antagonists are people who were born after the Good Friday Agreement, or not long before it, and now have their own ideas, thinking they know best about what's right and how to achieve it. Whilst many in Northern Ireland simply want peace, and understand the history of the Troubles and the difficulties of pursuing other avenues, there are some who have no respect for those people and are determined to kick up a fuss about anything that will cause an argument with the other side. Or, at worst, engage in violence.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Dissident Republicans never had any real support from Republicans and Nationalists, not to the same extent many Loyalist groups do, and even they are only supported by a minority of unionists.

Dissident Republicans really fucked themselves with incidents such as the killing of Lyra McKee and when their mouthpieces tried to handwave off and in some cases even justify her murder. They had a lot of people hound them over that. The command structure of the New Ira was gutted in recent years in police operations ive mentioned on here a few times. I dont like Sinn Fein that much but they are regarded as the best party in Ireland both north and south by a lot of people when it comes to their engagement with people in their local communities and given their affiliation with older IRA groups such as the Provisionals they have stopped dissident groups from growing in influence in some places as they still dominate mainstream republicanism. I dont necessarily agree due to the state my own area is in but its the common view from a lot of people where i live, even my own parents who dont like SF that much.

When the New IRA got busted by a mole the other year the audio recordings had them giving off that people in Tyrone and the west went to SF and the former Provisionals to solve disputes rather than them and that the older former IRA members wouldn't let them know of any weapon caches that were still around and basically completely cut them off. Though there is a danger as Wash said if violence does escalate you could have youths from Nationalist areas turning towards the likes of the CIRA and New IRA and being preyed upon them to cause more violence. Those fuckers also already spend too much time dealing drugs in Nationalist areas just like Loyalists do. Or they deal out "Punishment attacks" to supposed drug dealers, it varies honestly from group to group.

edit: Its honestly in Republicanisms best interest to prevent that kind of thing from happening internally and to just remain quiet. The less noise those dissident pricks can cause the better as it

[The Huskar Social Union]

Though i would also like to see the likes of the Provisionals finally disappear and fuck off too. They are not around any more in the sense that they are "Not around" i.e officially they no longer exist but still show up at times to deal with disputes etc and the PSNI have repeatedly come out and said they still direct Sinn Fein from the shadows. Which id say is absolutely true and part of the reason i dont feel comfortable ever voting for them.

Every now and then in the area i live a drug dealer would get themselves a bit too much attention and if the police didnt deal with them, they did. And it usually amounted to some masked men showing up and beating the absolute fuck out of them one night or in some cases kneecapping them. Happened once in the old street i used to live in actually. One day a car pulled in, some men got out, kicked in a door, beat the fuck out of someone who was known for dealing drugs (came from a dickhead family involved in a feud with another) and then left. Police were called obviously and he was hospitalised for a while but no one was caught for it.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Though i would also like to see the likes of the Provisionals finally disappear and fuck off too. They are not around any more in the sense that they are "Not around" i.e officially they no longer exist but still show up at times to deal with disputes etc and the PSNI have repeatedly come out and said they still direct Sinn Fein from the shadows. Which id say is absolutely true and part of the reason i dont feel comfortable ever voting for them.

Every now and then in the area i live a drug dealer would get themselves a bit too much attention and if the police didnt deal with them, they did. And it usually amounted to some masked men showing up and beating the absolute fuck out of them one night or in some cases kneecapping them. Happened once in the old street i used to live in actually. One day a car pulled in, some men got out, kicked in a door, beat the fuck out of someone who was known for dealing drugs (came from a dickhead family involved in a feud with another) and then left. Police were called obviously and he was hospitalised for a while but no one was caught for it.

So are the fringe Republicans selling drugs or attacking drug dealers?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Though i would also like to see the likes of the Provisionals finally disappear and fuck off too. They are not around any more in the sense that they are "Not around" i.e officially they no longer exist but still show up at times to deal with disputes etc and the PSNI have repeatedly come out and said they still direct Sinn Fein from the shadows. Which id say is absolutely true and part of the reason i dont feel comfortable ever voting for them.

Every now and then in the area i live a drug dealer would get themselves a bit too much attention and if the police didnt deal with them, they did. And it usually amounted to some masked men showing up and beating the absolute fuck out of them one night or in some cases kneecapping them. Happened once in the old street i used to live in actually. One day a car pulled in, some men got out, kicked in a door, beat the fuck out of someone who was known for dealing drugs (came from a dickhead family involved in a feud with another) and then left. Police were called obviously and he was hospitalised for a while but no one was caught for it.

So are the fringe Republicans selling drugs or attacking drug dealers?

Some would sell drugs, some would attack drug dealers. It depends honestly.

The RAAD (Republican Action Against Drugs) was a smaller Dissident group that targeted drug dealers a lot, typically around Derry but they merged with the Real IRA to form the New IRA. So dont know if they still do that.

Although their targets might not have actually been drug dealers and that was the excuse they used to try and give themselves some notion of legitimacy.

[Heloin]

So are the fringe Republicans selling drugs or attacking drug dealers?

Some would sell drugs, some would attack drug dealers. It depends honestly.

The RAAD (Republican Action Against Drugs) was a smaller Dissident group that targeted drug dealers a lot, typically around Derry but they merged with the Real IRA to form the New IRA. So dont know if they still do that.

Although their targets might not have actually been drug dealers and that was the excuse they used to try and give themselves some notion of legitimacy.

Merging, splitting, renaming, renaming again, and merging. All to fight the common enemy. The Judean People's Front.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

They should make Northern Ireland electric vehicles only.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

So are the fringe Republicans selling drugs or attacking drug dealers?

Some would sell drugs, some would attack drug dealers. It depends honestly.

The RAAD (Republican Action Against Drugs) was a smaller Dissident group that targeted drug dealers a lot, typically around Derry but they merged with the Real IRA to form the New IRA. So dont know if they still do that.

Although their targets might not have actually been drug dealers and that was the excuse they used to try and give themselves some notion of legitimacy.

I've heard of the Real IRA, which is an ironic name to say the least.

[Fartsniffage]

They should make Northern Ireland electric vehicles only.

Have you seen what happens when you pierce a large Li-Ion battery? Big badaboom.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Some would sell drugs, some would attack drug dealers. It depends honestly.

The RAAD (Republican Action Against Drugs) was a smaller Dissident group that targeted drug dealers a lot, typically around Derry but they merged with the Real IRA to form the New IRA. So dont know if they still do that.

Although their targets might not have actually been drug dealers and that was the excuse they used to try and give themselves some notion of legitimacy.

Merging, splitting, renaming, renaming again, and merging. All to fight the common enemy. The Judean People's Front.

Yeah the IRA did that a lot.

You had the Original IRA that split into the Anti Treaty and Pro Treaty forces during the Irish civil war.

Then the Anti Treaty forces became known just as the IRA post civil war then split into the Official IRA (Very Marxist), The Provisional IRA (The main IRA that was active during the troubles) and then the Irish National Liberation Army (Also very Marxist) split off from the Official IRA later.

Then the Continuity IRA broke off from the Provisionals in the 80s over the Provos recognising the Republic and ending their Abstentionist policy regarding Ireland.

Then the Real IRA split from the Provisionals in the 90s over their ceasefire and the peace process and the CIRA had a bunch of smaller splits over the 2000s.

Then the Real IRA, elements of the CIRA and other smaller Republican groups formed the New IRA in 2012.

And a bunch of tiny smaller splits during the troubles but those groups dont exist any more or dont matter.

[Heloin]

They should make Northern Ireland electric vehicles only.

Have you seen what happens when you pierce a large Li-Ion battery? Big badaboom.

News reports coming in from Belfast tonight, either a major riot has started or another Tesla burst to flames of its own accord.

[The Blaatschapen]

Some would sell drugs, some would attack drug dealers. It depends honestly.

The RAAD (Republican Action Against Drugs) was a smaller Dissident group that targeted drug dealers a lot, typically around Derry but they merged with the Real IRA to form the New IRA. So dont know if they still do that.

Although their targets might not have actually been drug dealers and that was the excuse they used to try and give themselves some notion of legitimacy.

Merging, splitting, renaming, renaming again, and merging. All to fight the common enemy. The Judean People's Front.

Where do you think these old British lads based their joke on? The IRA

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

They should make Northern Ireland electric vehicles only.

Have you seen what happens when you pierce a large Li-Ion battery? Big badaboom.

How far could you chuck one? You'd need a trebuchet.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Shout out to the Monster Raving Loony Party for putting 13 candidates up in Chessington South for its by election.

[The Nihilistic view]

Shout out to the Monster Raving Looney Party for putting 13 candidates up in Chessington South for its by election.

I think we should call for an investigation into the finances of the party, £6500 is a lot of money to lose on deposits.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Shout out to the Monster Raving Looney Party for putting 13 candidates up in Chessington South for its by election.

I think we should call for an investigation into the finances of the party, £6500 is a lot of money to lose on deposits.

I dont think that party has ever won a deposit back lol