UK Politics Thread XIII: The Brexit Ship Departs

[Fartsniffage]

Next time she runs off to join the attempted establishment of a terrorist country she should check the WiFi coverage first.

So she (probably) committed a crime. Don't we believe in innocent until proven guilty and fair trials anymore, or is that flexible?

She can have a fair trial when the Syrians get around to her.

[The Nihilistic view]

Next time she runs off to join the attempted establishment of a terrorist country she should check the WiFi coverage first.

So she (probably) committed a crime. Don't we believe in innocent until proven guilty and fair trials anymore, or is that flexible?

Not for terrorists committing high treason.

[The New California Republic]

Next time she runs off to join the attempted establishment of a terrorist country she should check the WiFi coverage first.

So she (probably) committed a crime. Don't we believe in innocent until proven guilty and fair trials anymore, or is that flexible?

Innocent until proven guilty and fair trials etc do not apply to the concept of defection. If someone defects there is no innocent until proven guilty, and no trials. Sure, they can be tried for other crimes related to the defection, but for defection in and of itself they cannot. The problem here for her is that the defection itself acts as a hard block to any recourse that she may have in relation to those other crimes, vis-à-vis getting her time in court etc.

[Ifreann]

So she (probably) committed a crime. Don't we believe in innocent until proven guilty and fair trials anymore, or is that flexible?

Not for terrorists committing high treason.

What happens if I say that you're a terrorist committing high treason?

[Fartsniffage]

Not for terrorists committing high treason.

What happens if I say that you're a terrorist committing high treason?

You are automatically disbelieved by the British courts for the offence of being Irish.

[The Nihilistic view]

What happens if I say that you're a terrorist committing high treason?

You are automatically disbelieved by the British courts for the offence of being Irish.

This

[Ifreann]

What happens if I say that you're a terrorist committing high treason?

You are automatically disbelieved by the British courts for the offence of being Irish.

Wouldn't think the courts would be involved, if there's no trial.

[Souseiseki]

So she (probably) committed a crime. Don't we believe in innocent until proven guilty and fair trials anymore, or is that flexible?

Not for terrorists committing high treason.

lmao @ "innocent until proven guilty doesn't count if it's a very bad crime" paraphrased

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

Next time she runs off to join the attempted establishment of a terrorist country she should check the WiFi coverage first.

So she (probably) committed a crime. Don't we believe in innocent until proven guilty and fair trials anymore, or is that flexible?

This has always been flexible under this lot.

[The Nihilistic view]

Not for terrorists committing high treason.

lmao @ "innocent until proven guilty doesn't count if it's a very bad crime" paraphrased

More I can't really be bothered to argue to the degree NCR has been doing. And there is nothing I could add to those points that have been well argued anyway.

[SD_Film Artists]

Next time she runs off to join the attempted establishment of a terrorist country she should check the WiFi coverage first.

So she (probably) committed a crime. Don't we believe in innocent until proven guilty and fair trials anymore, or is that flexible?

Do you think there's even a 1% chance that she's a British tourist who just accidentally fell on the wrong side of the Turkish border? Is she even claiming to be such?

[Dumb Ideologies]

Shamima Begum, who left the UK for Syria to join IS as a teenager, is not allowed to return and fight her citizenship case.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56209007

As Jeremy Clarkson would say

"Oh no! Anyway..."

[CoraSpia]

So she (probably) committed a crime. Don't we believe in innocent until proven guilty and fair trials anymore, or is that flexible?

Do you think there's even a 1% chance that she's a British tourist who just accidentally fell on the wrong side of the Turkish border? Is she even claiming to be such?

Do you think it matters? There are two possibilities here: either she committed a crime or she didn't. If she committed a crime, we have processes in place to deal with such, namely the court system and the prison system. If she didn't, then...idk, she didn't commit a crime so this is even worse. Either way, due process is extremely important and 'the rule of law has exceptions' is a very bad door to open.

[Fartsniffage]

Do you think there's even a 1% chance that she's a British tourist who just accidentally fell on the wrong side of the Turkish border? Is she even claiming to be such?

Do you think it matters? There are two possibilities here: either she committed a crime or she didn't. If she committed a crime, we have processes in place to deal with such, namely the court system and the prison system. If she didn't, then...idk, she didn't commit a crime so this is even worse. Either way, due process is extremely important and 'the rule of law has exceptions' is a very bad door to open.

There is a third possibility. She is no longer a British citizen so she is no longer our problem.

[The New California Republic]

Do you think there's even a 1% chance that she's a British tourist who just accidentally fell on the wrong side of the Turkish border? Is she even claiming to be such?

Do you think it matters? There are two possibilities here: either she committed a crime or she didn't. If she committed a crime, we have processes in place to deal with such, namely the court system and the prison system. If she didn't, then...idk, she didn't commit a crime so this is even worse. Either way, due process is extremely important and 'the rule of law has exceptions' is a very bad door to open.

To reiterate:

Innocent until proven guilty and fair trials etc do not apply to the concept of defection. If someone defects there is no innocent until proven guilty, and no trials. Sure, they can be tried for other crimes related to the defection, but for defection in and of itself they cannot. The problem here for her is that the defection itself acts as a hard block to any recourse that she may have in relation to those other crimes, vis-à-vis getting her time in court etc.

[The Huskar Social Union]

EXCLUSIVE - Northern Ireland’s DUP Agriculture minister @gordonlyons1 has told @PA he has ordered his officials to halt construction of permanent inspection facilities at NI ports for post-Brexit regulatory checks on agri-food goods arriving from Great Britain.

Meet with terrorists over brexit one day, next day order a halt of permanent inspection facilities at NI ports.

Pram

Toys

[The Huskar Social Union]

For four years the DUP actively campaigned for and supported something that would have a monumental impact on Northern Ireland, something that the majority of the people of Northern Ireland were against. They pushed for the hardest possible outcome from this thing and even strong armed the UK government to keep them in power. Actively undermining what we wanted so they can satiate their sectarian bigoted desire to try and fuck over Ireland and the Nationalist community.

And now, because it didnt go the way they wanted, and they got played by the Tory's they have completely shit the bed, manufactured threats against a port in Larne to fuel their campaign to get rid of the Northern Ireland Protocol, something they caused to happen in the first place with their years of bullshit. Then they fuck away off to meet with loyalist paramilitaries, some of whom threatened their fucking party leader in January by rhe way, to "discuss concerns about brexit" doing absolutely nothing to keep their growing threat and hostility in check, and then the following day do this and try and cause more issues at the ports.

I can not stress enough, how much i despise these people.

[SD_Film Artists]

Do you think there's even a 1% chance that she's a British tourist who just accidentally fell on the wrong side of the Turkish border? Is she even claiming to be such?

Do you think it matters? There are two possibilities here: either she committed a crime or she didn't. If she committed a crime, we have processes in place to deal with such, namely the court system and the prison system. If she didn't, then...idk, she didn't commit a crime so this is even worse. Either way, due process is extremely important and 'the rule of law has exceptions' is a very bad door to open.

Yes it does kind of matter, as along with being treason she also doesn't seem to be maintaining any pretence of innocence. Note that the BBC said she did join IS rather than the big nasty establishment Tories alleged she may have done. Is the BBC lying? It looks like she's played a stupid game and now wants to avoid the stupid prizes.

[The New California Republic]

Do you think it matters? There are two possibilities here: either she committed a crime or she didn't. If she committed a crime, we have processes in place to deal with such, namely the court system and the prison system. If she didn't, then...idk, she didn't commit a crime so this is even worse. Either way, due process is extremely important and 'the rule of law has exceptions' is a very bad door to open.

Yes it does kind of matter, as along with being treason she also doesn't seem to be maintaining any pretence of innocence. Note that the BBC said she did join IS rather than the big nasty establishment Tories alleged she may have done. Is the BBC lying? It looks like she's played a stupid game and now wants to avoid the stupid prizes.

I would hope that nobody is under the illusion that she didn't defect to the enemy, as it is patently obvious that she very much did, and she is evasive as fuck regarding whether she is repentant or not. Not that the latter matters much though, as once someone defects they are damaged goods, pardon the turn of phrase.

[SD_Film Artists]

Yes it does kind of matter, as along with being treason she also doesn't seem to be maintaining any pretence of innocence. Note that the BBC said she did join IS rather than the big nasty establishment Tories alleged she may have done. Is the BBC lying? It looks like she's played a stupid game and now wants to avoid the stupid prizes.

I would hope that nobody is under the illusion that she didn't defect to the enemy, as it is patently obvious that she very much did, and she is evasive as fuck regarding whether she is repentant or not. Not that the latter matters much though, as once someone defects they are damaged goods, pardon the turn of phrase.

I'm almost surprised that the government had to spell out the situation to the court of appeal when 'she joined IS' should have sufficed.

[Chan Island]

For four years the DUP actively campaigned for and supported something that would have a monumental impact on Northern Ireland, something that the majority of the people of Northern Ireland were against. They pushed for the hardest possible outcome from this thing and even strong armed the UK government to keep them in power. Actively undermining what we wanted so they can satiate their sectarian bigoted desire to try and fuck over Ireland and the Nationalist community.

And now, because it didnt go the way they wanted, and they got played by the Tory's they have completely shit the bed, manufactured threats against a port in Larne to fuel their campaign to get rid of the Northern Ireland Protocol, something they caused to happen in the first place with their years of bullshit. Then they fuck away off to meet with loyalist paramilitaries, some of whom threatened their fucking party leader in January by rhe way, to "discuss concerns about brexit" doing absolutely nothing to keep their growing threat and hostility in check, and then the following day do this and try and cause more issues at the ports.

I can not stress enough, how much i despise these people.

At least the populace of NI isn't going along with their bullshit anymore, if the polls are to be believed, what with all of the mass movements towards the Alliance Party.

[The Huskar Social Union]

For four years the DUP actively campaigned for and supported something that would have a monumental impact on Northern Ireland, something that the majority of the people of Northern Ireland were against. They pushed for the hardest possible outcome from this thing and even strong armed the UK government to keep them in power. Actively undermining what we wanted so they can satiate their sectarian bigoted desire to try and fuck over Ireland and the Nationalist community.

And now, because it didnt go the way they wanted, and they got played by the Tory's they have completely shit the bed, manufactured threats against a port in Larne to fuel their campaign to get rid of the Northern Ireland Protocol, something they caused to happen in the first place with their years of bullshit. Then they fuck away off to meet with loyalist paramilitaries, some of whom threatened their fucking party leader in January by rhe way, to "discuss concerns about brexit" doing absolutely nothing to keep their growing threat and hostility in check, and then the following day do this and try and cause more issues at the ports.

I can not stress enough, how much i despise these people.

At least the populace of NI isn't going along with their bullshit anymore, if the polls are to be believed, what with all of the mass movements towards the Alliance Party.

Hopefully the Alliance surge keeps up and the polls are accurate.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

Do you think it matters? There are two possibilities here: either she committed a crime or she didn't. If she committed a crime, we have processes in place to deal with such, namely the court system and the prison system. If she didn't, then...idk, she didn't commit a crime so this is even worse. Either way, due process is extremely important and 'the rule of law has exceptions' is a very bad door to open.

There is a third possibility. She is no longer a British citizen so she is no longer our problem.

Which opens a door to an even worse problem. What happens when a government has the ability to just remove from citizenship anyone who does something they don't like? Do you really think this government or any government won't abuse that power?

[SD_Film Artists]

There is a third possibility. She is no longer a British citizen so she is no longer our problem.

Which opens a door to an even worse problem. What happens when a government has the ability to just remove from citizenship anyone who does something they don't like? Do you really think this government or any government won't abuse that power?

'something they don't like'- shameless, unrepentant treason. Being a bit coy aren't we?

[The Nihilistic view]

There is a third possibility. She is no longer a British citizen so she is no longer our problem.

Which opens a door to an even worse problem. What happens when a government has the ability to just remove from citizenship anyone who does something they don't like? Do you really think this government or any government won't abuse that power?

They can't unless they can argue that person has or is entitled to claim another nationality.