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Who would you / will you vote for in the Scottish Parliament election?

SNP
24
26%
Conservative Party
15
16%
Labour Party
18
20%
Liberal Democrats
11
12%
Scottish Greens
8
9%
Mispronounced Alba Party
2
2%
Reform UK
7
8%
Other
7
8%
 
Total votes : 92

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Postby Celritannia » Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:40 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Loyalists threaten to withdraw support for Good Friday Agreement

The Progressive Unionist Party has warned that loyalist support for the Good Friday Agreement could be withdrawn, due to changes to the treaty's cross community support mechanism to facilitate Brexit.

Party leader Billy Hutchinson has accused Secretary of State Brandon Lewis of the "unilateral amending of Northern Ireland Act" in order to allow the Brexit protocol to be implemented.

Under the terms of the Withdrawal Agreement, Stormont will be periodically asked to consent to the protocol, giving the assembly an opportunity to remain in the arrangements or choose to exit from them.

However, proposals for the consent mechanism - which under the current timeline would be at the end of 2024 - is by way of a simple majority of MLAs, removing the cross community support mechanism contained in the GFA.

The loyalist leader says "key loyalist support" for the agreement was predicated by elements they claim have been removed.

It comes just days after a delegation from the Loyalist Communities Council held a meeting with the NIO regarding loyalist anger at the Brexit deal, which places a customs border in the Irish Sea.

Brandon Lewis has repeatedly denied the existence of a regulatory border between the north and Britain, despite it being part of the UK-EU Withdrawal Agreement, that goods moving east to west must undergo checks overseen by EU officials at seaports and airports.

"Back before the Belfast Agreement was signed the Progressive Unionist Party took part in explorative discussions with various groups as to how Northern Ireland could move forward positively and how they could support that movement", said Mr Hutchinson.

In relation to the historic 1998 peace treaty he said "A key to loyalist support for the Belfast Agreement were the safeguards contained within Strand 1 (5) (d) as this would enshrine cross community consent working.

This promise of cross community consent being required for key issues was given effect by Section 42 of the Northern Ireland Act 1998, which put the Belfast Agreement into effect within domestic law.

"Indeed Section 42 of the Northern Ireland explicitly provides that “a matter coming before the Assembly” can be subject to a petition of concern, which is the manner by which the safeguards within Strand 1 (5) (d) was given effect".

The statement from the loyalist political party, which has affiliations with the UVF, appears to echo an argument made by loyalist Jamie Bryson in a book 'Brexit Betrayed' released earlier this month.

Mr Hutchinson added "Since the signing of the agreement we have been lectured repeatedly about the sacrosanct nature of the Belfast Agreement, but on the 10th of December 2020, without any Unionist consent, the Secretary of State unilaterally amended the Northern Ireland Act.

"In this unannounced manoeuvre, Schedule 6A was inserted. This provision at paragraph 18 (5) disapplied Section 42 for the key vote on the Northern Ireland Protocol, thus denying any recourse to the cross community safeguard which should be available in order to override or publically scrutinise the efforts to create an economic United Ireland with a customs border in the realm of the United Kingdom.

"The Progressive Unionist Party find this attempt to circumvent a key safeguard within the Belfast Agreement very disturbing and it also adds further urgency to our call for a Unionist Convention.

"Now more than ever it is time to put country before party", he added


Happy for NI to be taken out of the EU without cross community consent now unhappy that the NI protocol doesn't have cross community consent and replies on simple majority. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Also the PUP is the political wing of the UVF just to let yous know.


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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:42 pm

Celritannia wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Loyalists threaten to withdraw support for Good Friday Agreement



Happy for NI to be taken out of the EU without cross community consent now unhappy that the NI protocol doesn't have cross community consent and replies on simple majority. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Also the PUP is the political wing of the UVF just to let yous know.


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Coming to an NI street near you soon.

Loyalists were no where near as capable as Republicans were and relied on members of the British Military and Police to supply them with information and weapons to carry out a lot of their more deadly attacks. They mostly stuck to kidnapping and murdering people near Unionist Estates and nowadays, killing their own people in drug feuds.

If Loyalists try and start an armed campaign again over Brexit they will not only lack the capability they used to, but also the support of the Unionist Population. And will most likely trigger a republican reprisal and face off against the British Military and PSNI in full force.
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Postby Celritannia » Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:48 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
The Trouble II: Brexit Bombs.
Coming to an NI street near you soon.

Loyalists were no where near as capable as Republicans were and relied on members of the British Military and Police to supply them with information and weapons to carry out a lot of their more deadly attacks. They mostly stuck to kidnapping and murdering people near Unionist Estates and nowadays, killing their own people in drug feuds.

If Loyalists try and start an armed campaign again over Brexit they will not only lack the capability they used to, but also the support of the Unionist Population. And will most likely trigger a republican reprisal and face off against the British Military and PSNI in full force.


If anything like there happens, there really should be a joint response between the Irish Republic, and the UK Gov.
But that require a competent leader in No.10.

Oh Harold Wilson, your dream of a 16 point plan of Irish re-unification was killed before it could be thanks to Heath. Rest easy you Yorkshire legend.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:50 pm

Celritannia wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Loyalists were no where near as capable as Republicans were and relied on members of the British Military and Police to supply them with information and weapons to carry out a lot of their more deadly attacks. They mostly stuck to kidnapping and murdering people near Unionist Estates and nowadays, killing their own people in drug feuds.

If Loyalists try and start an armed campaign again over Brexit they will not only lack the capability they used to, but also the support of the Unionist Population. And will most likely trigger a republican reprisal and face off against the British Military and PSNI in full force.


If anything like there happens, there really should be a joint response between the Irish Republic, and the UK Gov.
But that require a competent leader in No.10.

Oh Harold Wilson, your dream of a 16 point plan of Irish re-unification was killed before it could be thanks to Heath. Rest easy you Yorkshire legend.

The UK and Irish Republic supported one another multiple times when it came to dealing with paramilitaries in the troubles, it absolutely would happen again.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:53 pm

If you asked me six years ago if i thought Irish Unification was even remotely close to happening i would have said no and would have even hesitated to vote for unification myself.

Now Unionism and Loyalism are eating themselves alive over Brexit, Unionism lost its majority in the assembly, A middle ground party is surging in elections, Nationalists have made Historic wins in Westminster and the Assembly, Irish Unification within the next 10 years is a realistic possibility and and i am fully committed to voting for it when the time comes.

And now loyalists are making threats over something they pushed for because it didnt land exactly how they planned. Boy a lot can happen in only a few years.
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Postby Thanatttynia » Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:02 pm

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i don't get it. what do you mean by new tough thinking and integrating britain however they can do so legally? surely you're not suggesting tying to end devolution?

In the long run, yes, devolution must be replaced. It’s not compatible with the continued existence of the country. But as NCIR and Huskar point out it would be self-defeating at this point even if there was the will to do so in Westminster.

Number of policies we could introduce in the meantime, not that I see them happening, mostly to do with state investment, local govt reform, strengthening intra-UK links, aggressive PR. Nothing sinister, point is to make the union popular.

By ‘tough’ I mean at the very least we need categorical promise from govt not to allow a Scottish independence referendum whatever the SNP says and the spine to back such a promise up if they go ahead with it anyway. Imo we should be like almost every other developed nation in holding secession unthinkable.
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Postby Celritannia » Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:07 pm

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Souseiseki wrote:
i don't get it. what do you mean by new tough thinking and integrating britain however they can do so legally? surely you're not suggesting tying to end devolution?

In the long run, yes, devolution must be replaced. It’s not compatible with the continued existence of the country. But as NCIR and Huskar point out it would be self-defeating at this point even if there was the will to do so in Westminster.

Number of policies we could introduce in the meantime, not that I see them happening, mostly to do with state investment, local govt reform, strengthening intra-UK links, aggressive PR. Nothing sinister, point is to make the union popular.

By ‘tough’ I mean at the very least we need categorical promise from govt not to allow a Scottish independence referendum whatever the SNP says and the spine to back such a promise up if they go ahead with it anyway. Imo we should be like almost every other developed nation in holding secession unthinkable.


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Postby Echo Chamber Thought Police » Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:38 pm

Thanatttynia wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:
i don't get it. what do you mean by new tough thinking and integrating britain however they can do so legally? surely you're not suggesting tying to end devolution?

In the long run, yes, devolution must be replaced. It’s not compatible with the continued existence of the country. But as NCIR and Huskar point out it would be self-defeating at this point even if there was the will to do so in Westminster.

Number of policies we could introduce in the meantime, not that I see them happening, mostly to do with state investment, local govt reform, strengthening intra-UK links, aggressive PR. Nothing sinister, point is to make the union popular.

By ‘tough’ I mean at the very least we need categorical promise from govt not to allow a Scottish independence referendum whatever the SNP says and the spine to back such a promise up if they go ahead with it anyway. Imo we should be like almost every other developed nation in holding secession unthinkable.

This is a ridiculous proposal and would soon lead to violence.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:12 am

Most papers have gone with the 100,000 deaths Boris hanging his head cover story.
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:26 am

Echo Chamber Thought Police wrote:This is a ridiculous proposal and would soon lead to violence.


I'm not really convinced that modern Westerners really have what it takes to commit revolutionary violence.

Independence movements tend to fail as soon as the central government commits to a firm "no" and send in the cops. See Catalonia.

Hell, even Americans storming the Capitol didn't do much in terms of actual damage, and they're ending up in jail left and right.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Wed Jan 27, 2021 1:35 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Most papers have gone with the 100,000 deaths Boris hanging his head cover story.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-55820159

It's a grim number. One hundred thousand individual people dead. As the Telegraph says, less a milestone than a tombstone to be mourned.

Seeing as we have the fifth highest death toll in the world, with the highest death toll per million in the world, it seems reasonable to say that something has gone drastically wrong.

The PM should hang his head. And we should know why.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Jan 27, 2021 1:59 am

So Boris takes responsibility for everything... but won't resign over it.

Huh.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:01 am

Vassenor wrote:So Boris takes responsibility for everything... but won't resign over it.

Huh.


Can you imagine who would replace him...

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Postby The Free Joy State » Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:03 am

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Vassenor wrote:So Boris takes responsibility for everything... but won't resign over it.

Huh.


Can you imagine who would replace him...

*considers the Cabinet*

Well, maybe... I mean, possibly... I suppose, they could pick...

Oh, dear God! His Cabinet choices make total sense now. :shock:
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Postby Dresderstan » Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:05 am

The Free Joy State wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Can you imagine who would replace him...

*considers the Cabinet*

Well, maybe... I mean, possibly... I suppose, they could pick...

Oh, dear God! His Cabinet choices make total sense now. :shock:

Would you rather a random backbencher?

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Postby The Free Joy State » Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:07 am

Dresderstan wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:*considers the Cabinet*

Well, maybe... I mean, possibly... I suppose, they could pick...

Oh, dear God! His Cabinet choices make total sense now. :shock:

Would you rather a random backbencher?

At this point, I think random backbenchers -- or hell, even giving sortition (which I generally think is a bad system) a go -- couldn't be worse.

EDIT: A better alternative to either, though, would be devolving more control away from central government and to local regions and the courts so there's far less for this cabinet to mess up. Because, frankly, I wouldn't trust this Cabinet to care for a ficus, let alone the nation's health.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:18 am

The Free Joy State wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Can you imagine who would replace him...

*considers the Cabinet*

Well, maybe... I mean, possibly... I suppose, they could pick...

Oh, dear God! His Cabinet choices make total sense now. :shock:


Time for a National Coalition government where all parties put forward their brightest and best, until this mess is sorted.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:13 am

Poor decisions from Boris Johnson to blame for the UK's high death rate.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55820178
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:05 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Poor decisions from Boris Johnson to blame for the UK's high death rate.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55820178

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Postby Thanatttynia » Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:30 am

We must never forget it has not only been the government. The entire state apparatus, basically every single politician, and crucially the media class failed us on covid. Literally the only thing done even remotely well has been the vaccination programme, and that should have started sooner and be going faster. Policy by policy, scandal by scandal, day in day out the response was disastrous. They destroyed society, destroyed the economy, and for what? 100,000 people dead and counting. Highest death rate in the world.

The most depressing thing is we all know what will happen next. There will be an inquiry; the inquiry will find that mistakes were made; the inquiry will recommend we reflect on those mistakes; there will be no consequences. Maybe in 10 years there will be another pandemic and we will do this over again.
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Postby Thanatttynia » Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:35 am

Echo Chamber Thought Police wrote:This is a ridiculous proposal and would soon lead to violence.

What would? Ignoring a referendum? If government orders a boycott that enough people stick to it loses any shred of legitimacy. It’s the only way to beat the SNP at their own game; otherwise referendums are win-win for them. Unionists only need to lose one and that’s it for the Union forever, secessionists can literally keep trying like it’s a video game lmao, eventually it will go their way.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:00 am

The Free Joy State wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:Would you rather a random backbencher?

At this point, I think random backbenchers -- or hell, even giving sortition (which I generally think is a bad system) a go -- couldn't be worse.

EDIT: A better alternative to either, though, would be devolving more control away from central government and to local regions and the courts so there's far less for this cabinet to mess up. Because, frankly, I wouldn't trust this Cabinet to care for a ficus, let alone the nation's health.


The random backbenchers are the guys that don't want lockdowns.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:19 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:At this point, I think random backbenchers -- or hell, even giving sortition (which I generally think is a bad system) a go -- couldn't be worse.

EDIT: A better alternative to either, though, would be devolving more control away from central government and to local regions and the courts so there's far less for this cabinet to mess up. Because, frankly, I wouldn't trust this Cabinet to care for a ficus, let alone the nation's health.


The random backbenchers are the guys that don't want lockdowns.

Very well, I willingly eat my words. Random backbenchers quite possibly would be worse. I'm still open minded about the usually dreadful sortition idea though.

More seriously, I do like Alan Smithee's national coalition suggestion. God knows this cabinet's done poorly throughout the entire pandemic.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:06 am

A suspicious package has been sent to the Oxford-Astra Zeneca vaccine production plant in Wrexham.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55822838

If it does turn out to be anti-vaxxers I hope they get tried for terrorism.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:10 am

TUV's Allister issues unionist rallying call to 'disrupt' Brexit protocol and 'prevent Union's destruction'

UUP leader accuses PM of 'damaging the Union'

Hmmmm what happened guys? Did you not win the way you wanted? Maybe you realise you backed the wrong horse and completely fucked yourselves?
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