UK Politics Thread XIII: The Brexit Ship Departs

[Celritannia]

Children are not starving. We don't see multitudes of them reported in the media emaciated and dying like African victims of famine. That's because, thank God, we have a welfare system which catches people from falling into true poverty instead of a choice between starving in the gutter or institutionalisation in workhouses in spartan conditions as paupers fed on gruel. Unfortunately, the safety net of welfare is treated as a hammock in which some feckless people prefer to lie instead of earning money to give their children the best which they deserve.

https://www.childrenssociety.org.uk/wha ... ld-poverty

The number of children in poverty is set to reach five million this year. This means young people around you are going to school hungry, getting bullied for wearing an old uniform, or missing out on activities with friends. These young people have to work extra hard to stay happy, motivated and focused on the future.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48354692

I also want to remind you that there have been a number of deaths with people on Universal Credit.
You truly do not understand just how terrible a welfare system under the Tories is, especially if the UN had to write a report about it.

But don't worry, I have more evidence lined up.

[Vassenor]

Since I see we’re at the “sharing recipes for chicken stock” stage of supposedly feeding the poor, I think it’s a good time to point out that as of March this year England has 93,000 families in temporary accommodation. This figure has been trending steadily upwards.

Now it seems to me fairly logical that there’s likely a substantial overlap between families in need of assistance with food and families in overcrowded, unstable, unsafe or generally unsuitable housing.

I don't know what people think temporary accommodation *is* but it’s most likely a room in a hostel. Maybe some of your family get another room, maybe they don’t.

There are not necessarily any kitchen facilities at all. What there are will be basic, and most likely shared. If you *do* have your own kitchen facilities we’re talking a hob in the corner of the room.

Let us factor in also that you’re most likely working. This may well be casual or shift work. And/or you may also have health problems, very often a contributory factor in needing temporary accommodation in the first place.

Let us factor in also that you may well not have anywhere to *store* food, particularly cooked food.

Once you factor all this in, you can fairly quickly see the massive blind spot at the heart of so much of the ideal-home “cook for the week” type advice currently being deployed in an effort to suggest not being able to feed your children is basically an issue of culinary ability

It all assumes you’re in a home. More than that, it assumes you’re in a home that offers you the facilities needed to live in this way. It also all assumes you’re able-bodied and *at* home rather than at work.

And so you end up with two possibilities: one, these suggestions for how to feed a family are simply painfully naive, based on no direct experience whatsoever.

Or two: they’re not actually suggestions. They’re deliberately misleading weaponised fantasies expressly designed to undermine empathy and obscure the gaping holes in our social provision.

[The New California Republic]

Children are not starving. We don't see multitudes of them reported in the media emaciated and dying like African victims of famine. That's because, thank God, we have a welfare system which catches people from falling into true poverty instead of a choice between starving in the gutter or institutionalisation in workhouses in spartan conditions as paupers fed on gruel. Unfortunately, the safety net of welfare is treated as a hammock in which some feckless people prefer to lie instead of earning money to give their children the best which they deserve.

https://www.childrenssociety.org.uk/wha ... ld-poverty

The number of children in poverty is set to reach five million this year. This means young people around you are going to school hungry, getting bullied for wearing an old uniform, or missing out on activities with friends. These young people have to work extra hard to stay happy, motivated and focused on the future.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48354692

I also want to remind you that there have been a number of deaths with people on Universal Credit.
You truly do not understand just how terrible a welfare system under the Tories is, especially if the UN had to write a report about it.

But don't worry, I have more evidence lined up.

Don't bother trying, as I'm sure there will be an obstinate continuation of both the victim blaming and the Dickensian desire for the destitute little waifs to die in the gutter to punish the poors.

[Vassenor]

https://www.childrenssociety.org.uk/wha ... ld-poverty



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48354692

I also want to remind you that there have been a number of deaths with people on Universal Credit.
You truly do not understand just how terrible a welfare system under the Tories is, especially if the UN had to write a report about it.

But don't worry, I have more evidence lined up.

Don't bother trying, as I'm sure there will be an obstinate continuation of both the victim blaming and the Dickensian desire for the destitute little waifs to die in the gutter to punish the poors.

Along with an obstinate refusal to believe that things may have changed over the last three decades.

[SD_Film Artists]

Re welfare, it seems like the Jobcentre Plus places get better in more rural areas. In my home town you could have the personal desk number to your advisor/case handler but when I moved my advisor was kept behind a wall of bureaucracy, national phone numbers and security guards. Fortunately I'm in full time work now.

Military assistance has been requested over an "ongoing incident" on board an oil tanker situated off the Isle of Wight, the BBC understands.

The crude oil tanker, the Liberian-registered Nave Andromeda, is known to have stowaways on board and was due to dock in Southampton earlier.

Richard Meade, editor of shipping news journal Lloyd's List, said there were thought to be seven stowaways on board.

He said it was believed they had become violent towards the crew.

BBC defence correspondent Jonathan Beale said Hampshire police had requested military assistance but it was not clear what support had been requested "and whether it will be activated or requested for back up."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-h ... e-54684440

In this context I'm thinking it'll involve the SBS/SAS assaulting the ship.

That... sounds like a pretty well maximally shit place to pick to cause problems on a ship, honestly. Clearly not the brightest of sparks, this lot.

Yup, it's like- "alright lads, it's the same soft-ball practice scenario and same location as last Tuesday, except some fine gentlemen from Africa have elected to be our capture targets.."

[The New California Republic]

That... sounds like a pretty well maximally shit place to pick to cause problems on a ship, honestly. Clearly not the brightest of sparks, this lot.

Yup, it's like- "alright lads, it's the same soft-ball practice scenario and same location as last Tuesday, except some fine gentlemen from Africa have elected to be our capture targets.."

When they saw these guys fast-roping out of choppers in the dead of night it's no wonder that it was all over in less than ten minutes:

[The Nihilistic view]

The only people who are making kids hungry and inadequately fed are feckless parents. I dont believe government should be expected to take responsibility to provide children with their basic amenities, including food, which even an unemployed parent has the ability to provide for their children, provided they're intelligent enough to adequately feed a family on a basic income and are not indulging in the expensive habits of smoking, drugs or alcohol. I say this not as a privileged middle-class Tory, but as one who was raised during the 1980s in a large family in a household where work was scarce and money tight yet was adequately fed and clothed because my parents exercised thrift.

Do you mean; when the welfare policies were far more generous, and the cost of living much lower than nowadays by any chance? And full time work was guaranteed to be a living wage? Because that would be a more accurate way of interpreting those experiences and times.

Yeah no, cost of living was higher back then and benefits are broadly the same in real terms. Which is not a surprise given benefits are usually linked to inflation in the longer term.

https://www.which.co.uk/news/2019/11/he ... surprised/

https://www.planetaid.org/blog/shifting ... e-so-cheap

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thisis ... years.html

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/re ... s/sn06762/ slightly out of date but shows to 2012 real terms values of the most common benefits are either greater or the same as in the 80s.


Rent has been broadly stagnant in that time but thats to be expected as rent sticks fairly close to wages over a long period of time with short term fluctuations.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Yup, it's like- "alright lads, it's the same soft-ball practice scenario and same location as last Tuesday, except some fine gentlemen from Africa have elected to be our capture targets.."

When they saw these guys fast-roping out of choppers in the dead of night it's no wonder that it was all over in less than ten minutes:

What kind of name is Soap?

[The Nihilistic view]

Children are not starving. We don't see multitudes of them reported in the media emaciated and dying like African victims of famine. That's because, thank God, we have a welfare system which catches people from falling into true poverty instead of a choice between starving in the gutter or institutionalisation in workhouses in spartan conditions as paupers fed on gruel. Unfortunately, the safety net of welfare is treated as a hammock in which some feckless people prefer to lie instead of earning money to give their children the best which they deserve.

https://www.childrenssociety.org.uk/wha ... ld-poverty

The number of children in poverty is set to reach five million this year. This means young people around you are going to school hungry, getting bullied for wearing an old uniform, or missing out on activities with friends. These young people have to work extra hard to stay happy, motivated and focused on the future.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48354692

I also want to remind you that there have been a number of deaths with people on Universal Credit.
You truly do not understand just how terrible a welfare system under the Tories is, especially if the UN had to write a report about it.

But don't worry, I have more evidence lined up.

Being bullied for wearing old uniform is a symptom of a shit school and shit parents of the bullies. We had our blazer changed at school but you could still wear the old grey one instead of the new blue one if you wanted if it still fit. You know what? Zero bullying. Money has nothing to do with that.

[The New California Republic]

When they saw these guys fast-roping out of choppers in the dead of night it's no wonder that it was all over in less than ten minutes:

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What kind of name is Soap?

...Soap?

[The Nihilistic view]

Cod Modern warfare I imagine.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Cod Modern warfare I imagine.

Yes. Thank you mr Nihilistic

[The New California Republic]

Cod Modern warfare I imagine.

Yes. Thank you mr Nihilistic

Oh right. He was SAS, not SBS.

[Celritannia]

https://www.childrenssociety.org.uk/wha ... ld-poverty



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48354692

I also want to remind you that there have been a number of deaths with people on Universal Credit.
You truly do not understand just how terrible a welfare system under the Tories is, especially if the UN had to write a report about it.

But don't worry, I have more evidence lined up.

Being bullied for wearing old uniform is a symptom of a shit school and shit parents of the bullies. We had our blazer changed at school but you could still wear the old grey one instead of the new blue one if you wanted if it still fit. You know what? Zero bullying. Money has nothing to do with that.

No, it does happen.
Children will find anything to bully one of their peers for.
Money has everything to do with it.

[Celritannia]

Do you mean; when the welfare policies were far more generous, and the cost of living much lower than nowadays by any chance? And full time work was guaranteed to be a living wage? Because that would be a more accurate way of interpreting those experiences and times.

Yeah no, cost of living was higher back then and benefits are broadly the same in real terms. Which is not a surprise given benefits are usually linked to inflation in the longer term.

https://www.which.co.uk/news/2019/11/he ... surprised/

https://www.planetaid.org/blog/shifting ... e-so-cheap

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thisis ... years.html

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/re ... s/sn06762/ slightly out of date but shows to 2012 real terms values of the most common benefits are either greater or the same as in the 80s.


Rent has been broadly stagnant in that time but thats to be expected as rent sticks fairly close to wages over a long period of time with short term fluctuations.

Tell this to the 2019 UN report.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Priti must be heartbroken the SBS didn't shoot them all.

[The Blaatschapen]

Yes. Thank you mr Nihilistic

Oh right. He was SAS, not SBS.

As long as he is not sus.

[The New California Republic]

Oh right. He was SAS, not SBS.

As long as he is not sus.

He'd need to be in a YTP for that to happen.

[The Blaatschapen]

As long as he is not sus.

He'd need to be in a YTP for that to happen.

Wrong sus https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/sus-among-us

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Oh right. He was SAS, not SBS.

As long as he is not sus.

Surely the SCS would be next in line. The special forces group that deals with terrorist incidents involving sofas and carpets.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Children are not starving. We don't see multitudes of them reported in the media emaciated and dying like African victims of famine. That's because, thank God, we have a welfare system which catches people from falling into true poverty instead of a choice between starving in the gutter or institutionalisation in workhouses in spartan conditions as paupers fed on gruel. Unfortunately, the safety net of welfare is treated as a hammock in which some feckless people prefer to lie instead of earning money to give their children the best which they deserve.

Even Boris Johnson disagree with you

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson said on Monday he fully accepted that children going hungry during school holidays was a problem during the pandemic

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-healt ... 7B1GA?il=0

[Philjia]

Boris doubles down on not expanding free meals.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54692880

That's a bold strategy Cotton let's see if it pays off for him.

[SD_Film Artists]

*Welsh government covid update having two Welsh flags*

Is the 2nd one there just to demonstrate that they could have had a UK flag but chose not to? Perhaps it needs some Hong Kong style rules regarding which flags are shown and where they are placed. IIRC the PRC flag is always to the left, of bigger or equal size and higher again if not at an equal hight.

Then they'll troll us again by sarcastically having China-Wales flags during their press conferences but not UK-Wales

[North American Imperial State]

Yup, it's like- "alright lads, it's the same soft-ball practice scenario and same location as last Tuesday, except some fine gentlemen from Africa have elected to be our capture targets.."

When they saw these guys fast-roping out of choppers in the dead of night it's no wonder that it was all over in less than ten minutes:

We got 'em boys

[Celritannia]

*Welsh government covid update having two Welsh flags*

Is the 2nd one there just to demonstrate that they could have had a UK flag but chose not to? Perhaps it needs some Hong Kong style rules regarding which flags are shown and where they are placed. IIRC the PRC flag is always to the left, of bigger or equal size and higher again if not at an equal hight.

Then they'll troll us again by sarcastically having China-Wales flags during their press conferences but not UK-Wales

The meeting of the Eastern and Western Dragons.