UK Politics Thread XIII: The Brexit Ship Departs

[The Huskar Social Union]

Border between NI and GB to help maintain the GFA and peace in NI: Bad and a threat to the UK

Border in Kent? FUCK YEAH SON JUST SLAP MY SHIT UP


Kent should just secede honestly.


edit: I saw a very interesting point on reddit about this, will a kent access permit be called a kermit?

[The Free Joy State]

The chancellor will unveil new emergency plans to prevent unemployment later, which will replace the furlough scheme which will expire next month. The government subsidising people's salaries is allegedly one option that has been considered.

Emergency plans revealed (updated post):

The government and firms will top up workers' wages covering up to two-thirds of their hours for the next six months, the chancellor has said.

Rishi Sunak said the Jobs Support Scheme will replace the furlough scheme when it ends on 31 October.

[...]

The chancellor said that employees will have to work for at least a third of their normal hours to quality for the new scheme, which begins on 1 November.

Businesses that have borrowed money through the government's loan scheme will also be given more time to repay the money.

And a VAT cut for hospitality and tourism companies will also be extended until March. The cut from 20% to 5% VAT - which came into force on 15 July - had been due to expire on 12 January next year.

These steps seem fairly small to me, in general. A two-month extension in the VAT cut, and covering up to a smaller percentage of hours (rather than salary) -- and only if businesses can have their staff work (which not every business can yet, or not fully anyway). I don't see these steps making a massive change in the expected rise in unemployment.

EDIT: The Job Support Scheme is even less generous than it first sounds. Here's how it works:

In order to qualify for the Job Support Scheme, in place from 1 November and due to run for six months, employees must be working at least one-third of normal hours and be paid as normal for that work by their employers.

The government and employers will then each pay one-third of wages for hours not worked.

So, the government only plays 1/3. Typical window-dressing, typical of this government: pretend to act and provide little to no real help.

[The Blaatschapen]

Border between NI and GB to help maintain the GFA and peace in NI: Bad and a threat to the UK

Border in Kent? FUCK YEAH SON JUST SLAP MY SHIT UP


Kent should just secede honestly.


edit: I saw a very interesting point on reddit about this, will a kent access permit be called a kermit?

Is it called that way because lots of French will need it?

[Ifreann]

No government wants to lose votes by being the ones who ruined Christmas. It's not about religion, or discrimination, it is about votes, the retail economy, and public morale.

it's me

i'll do it

i will be the grinch that ruined english christmas

put me in coach

Cromseiseki.

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NEW Gove confirms a de facto internal border in Kent - rephrasing previous tweet (this is something transport industry been v worried about)

Truckers will have to have a "Kent Access Permit" to get into the county says Gove. It will use police and ANPR to enforce - Lisa O'Carroll

Brexit is great innit

Requiring passports for travel within England to own the Euros.

[Philjia]

NEW Gove confirms a de facto internal border in Kent - rephrasing previous tweet (this is something transport industry been v worried about)

Truckers will have to have a "Kent Access Permit" to get into the county says Gove. It will use police and ANPR to enforce - Lisa O'Carroll

Brexit is great innit

Requiring passports for travel within England to own the Euros.

Taking control of our borders and putting them in the home counties.

[Ifreann]

Requiring passports for travel within England to own the Euros.

Taking control of our borders and putting them in the home counties.

Yo dawg, we heard you like borders, so we put new borders inside your borders.

[The Blaatschapen]

Keep making fun about the People's Republic of Kent and Kim Jong-Widdecombe will launch the nukes.

To reiterate: it's The People's Garden of Kent.

Given that New Jersey is the garden state, does this make Kent the New Jersey of Britain?

[CoraSpia]

Did anybody know that there are 3 million small limited companies and people in certain categories of self-employment who have been excluded from all the covid support?

[The Archregimancy]

Border between NI and GB to help maintain the GFA and peace in NI: Bad and a threat to the UK

Border in Kent? FUCK YEAH SON JUST SLAP MY SHIT UP


Kent should just secede honestly.

My father was from Kent.

He never forgave the government for annexing Bromley and Bexley to London in 1965, not least because he was from Bexley; he was just as upset about the formation of the County of London in 1889, and the consequent loss of northwest Kent (though that was obviously a bit before his time). As far as he was concerned, the borders of Kent had remained unchanged since Aethelberht's day, and no modern government was going to change that.

Anyway, Kent was last a fully independent kingdom (as opposed to a subkingdom of Mercia or Wessex) at the very end of the 8th century, under Eadberht III. Nationalist movements have been built on less. It's perhaps time for Kent to embrace its Jutish heritage, rise up against the vile hegemony of the Angles and Saxons of Mercia and Wessex that so unjustly suppressed its rightful independence, and restore the line of Aethelberht to the throne.

The Isle of Wight was the other primary Jutish settlement, so perhaps there's some scope for making Wight a self-governing crown dependency of Canterbury. Obviously Canterbury would have to be the capital of Kent, though the Medway towns would likely become the financial centre of the restored kingdom.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Did anybody know that there are 3 million small limited companies and people in certain categories of self-employment who have been excluded from all the covid support?

Yes. But you need to separate this out into the deserving and undeserving. There's a subsection where people who work normal day-to-day office jobs as employees have set themselves up as a """limited company""" of one person to exploit loopholes and pay less tax than the rest of us who aren't cunts. This is particularly popular in banking, finance, IT and some civil service jobs.

Those people in particular, haha fuck them, hope you put your ill-gotten gains into savings.

[Philjia]

Here's Sammy Wilson not wearing a mask on the tube.
Mr Wilson says he only briefly removed his mask to answer a phone call.
Mr Wilson was photographed reading a magazine.

[CoraSpia]

Did anybody know that there are 3 million small limited companies and people in certain categories of self-employment who have been excluded from all the covid support?

Yes. But you need to separate this out into the deserving and undeserving. There's a subsection where people who work normal day-to-day office jobs as employees have set themselves up as a """limited company""" of one person to exploit loopholes and pay less tax than the rest of us who aren't cunts. This is particularly popular in banking, finance, IT and some civil service jobs.

Those people in particular, haha fuck them, hope you put your ill-gotten gains into savings.

The reason people set up limited companies isn't to pay less tax, it's because in the 1970s the government completely messed up agency self-employed work to such an extent that the end client was forced to make an evaluation on whether the person in question was 'actually' self-employed. If they 'got it wrong' (in the opinion of the inland reveniew) they became liable for all sorts of wonderful things like back taxes and employers national insurance, and also have to stump up for holiday pay and the like that were never part of the agreement. People who set up limited companies and work through them are liable for corporation tax, dividend tax, employers and employees national insurance and bizarrely the apprenticeship tax. They don't receive holiday pay, sick pay etc and can be let go with 2 weeks notice: they're typically highly-skilled workers though so they tend to charge a large day rate. It isn't about tax avoidance, it's all about flexible working.

[The Blaatschapen]

Here's Sammy Wilson not wearing a mask on the tube.
Mr Wilson says he only briefly removed his mask to answer a phone call.
Mr Wilson was photographed reading a magazine.

He broke the law in a limited and specific way.

[The Nihilistic view]

The chancellor will unveil new emergency plans to prevent unemployment later, which will replace the furlough scheme which will expire next month. The government subsidising people's salaries is allegedly one option that has been considered.

Emergency plans revealed (updated post):

The government and firms will top up workers' wages covering up to two-thirds of their hours for the next six months, the chancellor has said.

Rishi Sunak said the Jobs Support Scheme will replace the furlough scheme when it ends on 31 October.

[...]

The chancellor said that employees will have to work for at least a third of their normal hours to quality for the new scheme, which begins on 1 November.

Businesses that have borrowed money through the government's loan scheme will also be given more time to repay the money.

And a VAT cut for hospitality and tourism companies will also be extended until March. The cut from 20% to 5% VAT - which came into force on 15 July - had been due to expire on 12 January next year.

These steps seem fairly small to me, in general. A two-month extension in the VAT cut, and covering up to a smaller percentage of hours (rather than salary) -- and only if businesses can have their staff work (which not every business can yet, or not fully anyway). I don't see these steps making a massive change in the expected rise in unemployment.

EDIT: The Job Support Scheme is even less generous than it first sounds. Here's how it works:

In order to qualify for the Job Support Scheme, in place from 1 November and due to run for six months, employees must be working at least one-third of normal hours and be paid as normal for that work by their employers.

The government and employers will then each pay one-third of wages for hours not worked.

So, the government only plays 1/3. Typical window-dressing, typical of this government: pretend to act and provide little to no real help.

The key thing here is Employers have to pay 1/3rd, so it will do nothing as employers won't use the scheme as its going to be far too expensive for them in the sectors that need help. All it does is increase the cost base of a business.

[Shamhnan Insir]

Border between NI and GB to help maintain the GFA and peace in NI: Bad and a threat to the UK

Border in Kent? FUCK YEAH SON JUST SLAP MY SHIT UP


Kent should just secede honestly.

My father was from Kent.

He never forgave the government for annexing Bromley and Bexley to London in 1965, not least because he was from Bexley; he was just as upset about the formation of the County of London in 1889, and the consequent loss of northwest Kent (though that was obviously a bit before his time). As far as he was concerned, the borders of Kent had remained unchanged since Aethelberht's day, and no modern government was going to change that.

Anyway, Kent was last a fully independent kingdom (as opposed to a subkingdom of Mercia or Wessex) at the very end of the 8th century, under Eadberht III. Nationalist movements have been built on less. It's perhaps time for Kent to embrace its Jutish heritage, rise up against the vile hegemony of the Angles and Saxons of Mercia and Wessex that so unjustly suppressed its rightful independence, and restore the line of Aethelberht to the throne.

The Isle of Wight was the other primary Jutish settlement, so perhaps there's some scope for making Wight a self-governing crown dependency of Canterbury. Obviously Canterbury would have to be the capital of Kent, though the Medway towns would likely become the financial centre of the restored kingdom.

Is this you setting the scene for unveiling that your dad was from Aethelberhts lineage and therefore that makes you the true and rightful heir to the throne of Kent?

[The Archregimancy]

My father was from Kent.

He never forgave the government for annexing Bromley and Bexley to London in 1965, not least because he was from Bexley; he was just as upset about the formation of the County of London in 1889, and the consequent loss of northwest Kent (though that was obviously a bit before his time). As far as he was concerned, the borders of Kent had remained unchanged since Aethelberht's day, and no modern government was going to change that.

Anyway, Kent was last a fully independent kingdom (as opposed to a subkingdom of Mercia or Wessex) at the very end of the 8th century, under Eadberht III. Nationalist movements have been built on less. It's perhaps time for Kent to embrace its Jutish heritage, rise up against the vile hegemony of the Angles and Saxons of Mercia and Wessex that so unjustly suppressed its rightful independence, and restore the line of Aethelberht to the throne.

The Isle of Wight was the other primary Jutish settlement, so perhaps there's some scope for making Wight a self-governing crown dependency of Canterbury. Obviously Canterbury would have to be the capital of Kent, though the Medway towns would likely become the financial centre of the restored kingdom.

Is this you setting the scene for unveiling that your dad was from Aethelberhts lineage and therefore that makes you the true and rightful heir to the throne of Kent?

Have you ever noticed that Fife looks just a little bit like Kent? Has it not occurred to you that both were early medieval kingdoms / subkingdoms?

Are you aware of the ancient prophecy that I just made up that there will one day come a Chosen One who will rule over both Cantwara and Fib, dispensing justice and liberty without fear or favour to both Picts and Jutes?

The destiny of the sons and daughters of Vipoig and Hengist lies in the union of Cupar and Canterbury, of the blood of Uurad and the blood of Aethelberht; the time is now at hand.

[The New California Republic]

Here's Sammy Wilson not wearing a mask on the tube.
Mr Wilson says he only briefly removed his mask to answer a phone call.
Mr Wilson was photographed reading a magazine.

He broke the law in a limited and specific way.

Good to see that's becoming a mini meme on the thread.

[The New California Republic]

Is this you setting the scene for unveiling that your dad was from Aethelberhts lineage and therefore that makes you the true and rightful heir to the throne of Kent?

Have you ever noticed that Fife looks just a little bit like Kent? Has it not occurred to you that both were early medieval kingdoms / subkingdoms?

Are you aware of the ancient prophecy that I just made up that there will one day come a Chosen One who will rule over both Cantwara and Fib, dispensing justice and liberty without fear or favour to both Picts and Jutes?

The destiny of the sons and daughters of Vipoig and Hengist lies in the union of Cupar and Canterbury, of the blood of Uurad and the blood of Aethelberht; the time is now at hand.

Is now a good time to point out that a long line of my ancestors were Lairds in Fife?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Here's Sammy Wilson not wearing a mask on the tube.
Mr Wilson says he only briefly removed his mask to answer a phone call.
Mr Wilson was photographed reading a magazine.

He broke the law in a limited and specific way.

Yeah he is a fucking cunt as well.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Yes. But you need to separate this out into the deserving and undeserving. There's a subsection where people who work normal day-to-day office jobs as employees have set themselves up as a """limited company""" of one person to exploit loopholes and pay less tax than the rest of us who aren't cunts. This is particularly popular in banking, finance, IT and some civil service jobs.

Those people in particular, haha fuck them, hope you put your ill-gotten gains into savings.

The reason people set up limited companies isn't to pay less tax, it's because in the 1970s the government completely messed up agency self-employed work to such an extent that the end client was forced to make an evaluation on whether the person in question was 'actually' self-employed. If they 'got it wrong' (in the opinion of the inland reveniew) they became liable for all sorts of wonderful things like back taxes and employers national insurance, and also have to stump up for holiday pay and the like that were never part of the agreement. People who set up limited companies and work through them are liable for corporation tax, dividend tax, employers and employees national insurance and bizarrely the apprenticeship tax. They don't receive holiday pay, sick pay etc and can be let go with 2 weeks notice: they're typically highly-skilled workers though so they tend to charge a large day rate. It isn't about tax avoidance, it's all about flexible working.

Can confirm personally knowing of cases it's used as a scheme for tax avoidance - people work for one company on a permanent basis but have that actual employer pay the "wages" to the one duderino limited company they've set up.

In official parlance they're euphemistically known as "disguised employees".

[The Archregimancy]

Have you ever noticed that Fife looks just a little bit like Kent? Has it not occurred to you that both were early medieval kingdoms / subkingdoms?

Are you aware of the ancient prophecy that I just made up that there will one day come a Chosen One who will rule over both Cantwara and Fib, dispensing justice and liberty without fear or favour to both Picts and Jutes?

The destiny of the sons and daughters of Vipoig and Hengist lies in the union of Cupar and Canterbury, of the blood of Uurad and the blood of Aethelberht; the time is now at hand.

Is now a good time to point out that a long line of my ancestors were Lairds in Fife?

There shall be no room for 'lairds' in the new order.

The Chosen One shall overthrow the Scots, the Normans, the Angles, and the Saxons, and restore the land to pureblood Picts and the Jutes (though of course allowing native Celtic Britons a special status within Kentish law, as provided by the laws of Aethelberht covering the status of laets).

Now is not the time to go soft on either immigrants or the descendants of our historic oppressors.

I'm still a bit torn on the Chosen One's policy towards the EU, though; given the very different positions of Fife and Kent towards Brussels, I think a prolonged period of deliberate ambiguity might be in order on that one.

[The Blaatschapen]

Is now a good time to point out that a long line of my ancestors were Lairds in Fife?

There shall be no room for 'lairds' in the new order.

The Chosen One shall overthrow the Scots, the Normans, the Angles, and the Saxons, and restore the land to pureblood Picts and the Jutes (though of course allowing native Celtic Britons a special status within Kentish law, as provided by the laws of Aethelberht covering the status of laets).

Now is not the time to go soft on either immigrants or the descendants of our historic oppressors.

I'm still a bit torn on the Chosen One's policy towards the EU, though; given the very different positions of Fife and Kent towards Brussels, I think a prolonged period of deliberate ambiguity might be in order on that one.

How will you find out who are pureblood picts and jutes.

[The Archregimancy]

There shall be no room for 'lairds' in the new order.

The Chosen One shall overthrow the Scots, the Normans, the Angles, and the Saxons, and restore the land to pureblood Picts and the Jutes (though of course allowing native Celtic Britons a special status within Kentish law, as provided by the laws of Aethelberht covering the status of laets).

Now is not the time to go soft on either immigrants or the descendants of our historic oppressors.

I'm still a bit torn on the Chosen One's policy towards the EU, though; given the very different positions of Fife and Kent towards Brussels, I think a prolonged period of deliberate ambiguity might be in order on that one.

How will you find out who are pureblood picts and jutes.

The whims of the Chosen One.

It'll likely be no more arbitrary or capricious a process than the actions of the current Westminster government to cope with COVID-19, so I doubt the good people of Fife and Kent will be any worse off.

[CoraSpia]

The reason people set up limited companies isn't to pay less tax, it's because in the 1970s the government completely messed up agency self-employed work to such an extent that the end client was forced to make an evaluation on whether the person in question was 'actually' self-employed. If they 'got it wrong' (in the opinion of the inland reveniew) they became liable for all sorts of wonderful things like back taxes and employers national insurance, and also have to stump up for holiday pay and the like that were never part of the agreement. People who set up limited companies and work through them are liable for corporation tax, dividend tax, employers and employees national insurance and bizarrely the apprenticeship tax. They don't receive holiday pay, sick pay etc and can be let go with 2 weeks notice: they're typically highly-skilled workers though so they tend to charge a large day rate. It isn't about tax avoidance, it's all about flexible working.

Can confirm personally knowing of cases it's used as a scheme for tax avoidance - people work for one company on a permanent basis but have that actual employer pay the "wages" to the one duderino limited company they've set up.

In official parlance they're euphemistically known as "disguised employees".

Are you sure that's not a tax avoidance scheme on the employers part, rather than the employees part? If they're permanent workers (not on a limited-term contract with a short notice period etc) it might be a scheme set up to avoid paying employers national insurance and providing the benefits of employment (like holiday pay, paid maternity leave etc.)
The ones I'm talking about are people like my Dad before he decided that he wanted to start buying and selling houses for a living. Essentially he was employed by various large companies through his limited company for short-term contracts (3 months here, 6 months there.)

[Fartsniffage]

Can confirm personally knowing of cases it's used as a scheme for tax avoidance - people work for one company on a permanent basis but have that actual employer pay the "wages" to the one duderino limited company they've set up.

In official parlance they're euphemistically known as "disguised employees".

Are you sure that's not a tax avoidance scheme on the employers part, rather than the employees part? If they're permanent workers (not on a limited-term contract with a short notice period etc) it might be a scheme set up to avoid paying employers national insurance and providing the benefits of employment (like holiday pay, paid maternity leave etc.)
The ones I'm talking about are people like my Dad before he decided that he wanted to start buying and selling houses for a living. Essentially he was employed by various large companies through his limited company for short-term contracts (3 months here, 6 months there.)

My cousins ex-husband had a two-fold reason for having his own limited company. Firstly he paid far less tax, secondly he would only pay himself a salary of about £20,000 a year from the company to make it far harder for my cousin to get decent child support payments for their 2 children.