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by Nuroblav » Sun Aug 30, 2020 12:18 pm
by Celritannia » Sun Aug 30, 2020 12:41 pm
Dumb Ideologies wrote:The Blaatschapen wrote:
We might also want an electoral reform of the House of Lords. Make it a more democratic institution.
It should be a form of popular government of a different flavour and base to that of the Commons, otherwise there is simply no point to it. Throw out all the political appointees, and allow unions, professional organisations, and academics to elect representatives from among their number so that it can return to its former status as a learned house of review with full veto powers restored.
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by Auristania » Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:19 pm
by Celritannia » Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:25 pm
Auristania wrote:House of Lords reform:
#1 Proportional Representation is more democratic than First past the Post.
#2 Nations with PR parliaments can rarely form a working majority.
#3 House of Commons continues as FpP and decides Budget etc
#4 House of Lords is elected by PR and decides Constitution and such like BIG stuff.
# 5 Drive on the Left or Right? Imperial or Metric Measures? Budget? These issues, the important thing is that a decision be made and is Commons business. Many issues, the important thing is the right decision, these will be decided by the PR Assembly.
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by The Free Joy State » Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:40 pm
The New California Republic wrote:Souseiseki wrote:imagine if you were a time traveler from the 2000s that got punted forward to 2020 lol
I think you'd just end up hugging your knees cowering in the corner because of the tidal wave of shit you'd need to grasp at once: 9/11, wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, terror attacks, memes, social media, smartphones, climate change, Brexit, Trump, Coronavirus, social distancing, everyone wearing masks, the recession, the deaths of various celebrities...
Fartsniffage wrote:Dumb Ideologies wrote:Starmer is a placeholder politician. Wherever he enters, excitement leaves. So inconducive to buzz that his presence causes any nearby bees to spontaneously drop from the sky stone dead. The sort of fellow who would be a pointless answer on a BBC dinnertime quiz show even while currently serving in the position.
Truly tragic that this is the best option on the table.
Given what exciting politicians seem to be doing to the world I'd be quite happy with Keir for a bit.
by Kowani » Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:40 am
The Free Joy State wrote:The New California Republic wrote:I think you'd just end up hugging your knees cowering in the corner because of the tidal wave of shit you'd need to grasp at once: 9/11, wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, terror attacks, memes, social media, smartphones, climate change, Brexit, Trump, Coronavirus, social distancing, everyone wearing masks, the recession, the deaths of various celebrities...
Worse... If writers of utopian literature got thrown into 2020: they wouldn't even be able to curl up to hug their knees; they'd just go catatonic. They'd never write again.Fartsniffage wrote:
Given what exciting politicians seem to be doing to the world I'd be quite happy with Keir for a bit.
"Exciting" politicians -- all rhetoric and no substance -- are vastly over-represented and over-sold in politics, I find.
Stable (actually stable, not "strong and stable") and sensible is the kind of politician we need right now.
Unfortunately, we're stuck with a cabinet who can never seem to answer a straight-forward question in interviews, but instead prattles endlessly with the set talking points they were clearly given, and which makes so many U-turns even their own backbenchers have lost confidence in them.
After this lot, I would welcome stable and unexciting.
by The New California Republic » Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:28 am
The Free Joy State wrote:Souseiseki wrote:imagine if you were a time traveler from the 2000s that got punted forward to 2020 lolThe New California Republic wrote:I think you'd just end up hugging your knees cowering in the corner because of the tidal wave of shit you'd need to grasp at once: 9/11, wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, terror attacks, memes, social media, smartphones, climate change, Brexit, Trump, Coronavirus, social distancing, everyone wearing masks, the recession, the deaths of various celebrities...
Worse... If writers of utopian literature got thrown into 2020: they wouldn't even be able to curl up to hug their knees; they'd just go catatonic. They'd never write again.
by An Alan Smithee Nation » Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:03 am
by The Nihilistic view » Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:10 am
Celritannia wrote:Dryicor wrote:
Fat chance. Labour are currently in a real mess. Starmer is much better than Corbyn in uniting Labour but the Corbynites in the party aren't rallying around him. They wanted Long-Bailey. That's not who they got.
As for the Tories, people are very satisfied with how they've done on Brexit and the coronavirus in their strongholds and in the Labour areas which went Tory in December.
So it's probably an outlier.
As for the poll, I'd like to think not. The UK has now got a chance to improve itself outside of the EU, and if we ever rejoin then the Maastricht Treaty will dictate we have to adopt the Euro. I, and the whole of Britain, would be extremely sceptical of that.
Haha, oh dear.
I don't think you realise just how much of a mess the Tories have made over COVID, Brexit, and the whole exam fiasco.
As for "The UK has now got a chance to improve itself outside of the EU", that's absolute BS.
The UK had a perfect deal with the EU, and we were able to improve ourselves in the EU.
by The Nihilistic view » Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:36 am
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Various newspapers with front pages warning Rishi Sunak against tax rises, for second home owners and companies, to pay for the pandemic measures. Has to be better than hitting pensions up for the money, there are more than enough problems for the future with pensions already. Though the 'senior Tories' warning against any of these measures, need to get their heads out of their arses, where else is the money going to come from?
by Salandriagado » Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:51 am
Kowani wrote:The Free Joy State wrote:Worse... If writers of utopian literature got thrown into 2020: they wouldn't even be able to curl up to hug their knees; they'd just go catatonic. They'd never write again.
"Exciting" politicians -- all rhetoric and no substance -- are vastly over-represented and over-sold in politics, I find.
Stable (actually stable, not "strong and stable") and sensible is the kind of politician we need right now.
Unfortunately, we're stuck with a cabinet who can never seem to answer a straight-forward question in interviews, but instead prattles endlessly with the set talking points they were clearly given, and which makes so many U-turns even their own backbenchers have lost confidence in them.
After this lot, I would welcome stable and unexciting.
How about dependable and exciting?
by Celritannia » Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:25 am
The Nihilistic view wrote:Celritannia wrote:
Haha, oh dear.
I don't think you realise just how much of a mess the Tories have made over COVID, Brexit, and the whole exam fiasco.
As for "The UK has now got a chance to improve itself outside of the EU", that's absolute BS.
The UK had a perfect deal with the EU, and we were able to improve ourselves in the EU.
Only perfect deal is a no deal ...... wot?
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by Agarntrop » Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:40 pm
by Celritannia » Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:35 pm
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by An Alan Smithee Nation » Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:27 am
by Ostroeuropa » Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:29 am
Celritannia wrote:Dumb Ideologies wrote:
It should be a form of popular government of a different flavour and base to that of the Commons, otherwise there is simply no point to it. Throw out all the political appointees, and allow unions, professional organisations, and academics to elect representatives from among their number so that it can return to its former status as a learned house of review with full veto powers restored.
^^^This.
The House of Peers, as someone suggested in the other thread as a renaming, for Peer Review, which I think is quite clever.
by Vassenor » Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:42 am
by The New California Republic » Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:51 am
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Reform of the House of Lords isn't a priority to me. I may not like the privileged or the Lords Spiritual, but it doesn't do a bad job at moderating the House of Commons. I also wouldn't trust the current government to reform it without stacking it even more in their own favour.
by Souseiseki » Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:40 am
by Souseiseki » Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:54 am
by Salandriagado » Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:58 am
by Vassenor » Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:44 am
by Vassenor » Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:11 am
by Hirota » Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:56 am
Vassenor wrote:Also according to the Telegraph, it looks like the Director General has decided to axe the BBC's comedy content for being "too left-wing" and apparently being biased against the government, Trump and Brexit.
Sounds pretty snowflake-y to me, if true. Mostly because all I've seen is a photograph of the abstract in the paper, and the full article is behind the paywall.
by Fartsniffage » Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:12 am
Hirota wrote:Vassenor wrote:Also according to the Telegraph, it looks like the Director General has decided to axe the BBC's comedy content for being "too left-wing" and apparently being biased against the government, Trump and Brexit.
Sounds pretty snowflake-y to me, if true. Mostly because all I've seen is a photograph of the abstract in the paper, and the full article is behind the paywall.
Check out my mad internet skills yo. Anyhoo, if the BBC wants to keep it's licence fee, it needs to be more representative - people have to feel it's worth watching. If that means curbing some of the worse excesses - like Jo Brand advocating throwing acid even in jest - then that's not a terrible thing.
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