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Do you believe in a God or gods?

Yes
121
34%
No
102
28%
Maybe
16
4%
We can't know
25
7%
We can't know, but leaning yes
30
8%
We can't know, but leaning no
57
16%
Other
9
3%
 
Total votes : 360

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Albrenia
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Postby Albrenia » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:03 am

Tarsonis wrote:So my question is, would you require a complete walk through of what could possibly be a 9 Quadrillion+ Point Plan, or would you be satisfied with the broad strokes?


Broad strokes, even in part. Obviously my mind isn't equipped to know all of the everything, being mortal and all. He would know what my mind can comprehend, however, and what parts I struggle with.

As for the answer being inherently unsatisfying, in that case even the knowledge would bring some comfort, or at least quell my wondering.

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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:14 am

Albrenia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:So my question is, would you require a complete walk through of what could possibly be a 9 Quadrillion+ Point Plan, or would you be satisfied with the broad strokes?


Broad strokes, even in part. Obviously my mind isn't equipped to know all of the everything, being mortal and all. He would know what my mind can comprehend, however, and what parts I struggle with.

As for the answer being inherently unsatisfying, in that case even the knowledge would bring some comfort, or at least quell my wondering.


Then do you find religions so unsatisfying, as they all proclaim as they all profess there's a plan, (or at the very least an order to things) revealed by God.
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Postby Albrenia » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:18 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
Broad strokes, even in part. Obviously my mind isn't equipped to know all of the everything, being mortal and all. He would know what my mind can comprehend, however, and what parts I struggle with.

As for the answer being inherently unsatisfying, in that case even the knowledge would bring some comfort, or at least quell my wondering.


Then do you find religions so unsatisfying, as they all proclaim as they all profess there's a plan, (or at the very least an order to things) revealed by God.


Lack of proof mainly. A proof which would be provided by the mere context of being dead, in spirit form, and before the unmistakeable presence of God.

A person telling me that an omnipotent and all-knowing being of absolute benevolence had a good reason for letting all those kids die in agony isn't terrible convincing. Standing before a God willing to let me in on the reason would be infinitely more convincing.

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Postby The Old Man of the Sea » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:22 am

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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:22 am

Albrenia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Then do you find religions so unsatisfying, as they all proclaim as they all profess there's a plan, (or at the very least an order to things) revealed by God.


Lack of proof mainly. A proof which would be provided by the mere context of being dead, in spirit form, and before the unmistakeable presence of God.

A person telling me that an omnipotent and all-knowing being of absolute benevolence had a good reason for letting all those kids die in agony isn't terrible convincing. Standing before a God willing to let me in on the reason would be infinitely more convincing.


But you just admitted knowing God exist would alleviate that uncertainty. So your second paragraph is irrelevant to the question. You just need to know that God exists, whether God's benevolent or not, is irrelevant to said existence.
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Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
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Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
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Postby Albrenia » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:25 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
Lack of proof mainly. A proof which would be provided by the mere context of being dead, in spirit form, and before the unmistakeable presence of God.

A person telling me that an omnipotent and all-knowing being of absolute benevolence had a good reason for letting all those kids die in agony isn't terrible convincing. Standing before a God willing to let me in on the reason would be infinitely more convincing.


But you just admitted knowing God exist would alleviate that uncertainty. So your second paragraph is irrelevant to the question. You just need to know that God exists, whether God's benevolent or not, is irrelevant to said existence.


That's true. Although God being real -and- benevolent would be more satisfying for me personally. His existence or not is still the main event though.

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Postby Esheaun Stroakuss » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:01 am

No. There is no evidence and no indication of intelligent design. Besides, if we're referring to Yahweh, in no way would I worship and praise such a cruel, narcissistic character even if he did exist.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:24 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
Lack of proof mainly. A proof which would be provided by the mere context of being dead, in spirit form, and before the unmistakeable presence of God.

A person telling me that an omnipotent and all-knowing being of absolute benevolence had a good reason for letting all those kids die in agony isn't terrible convincing. Standing before a God willing to let me in on the reason would be infinitely more convincing.


But you just admitted knowing God exist would alleviate that uncertainty. So your second paragraph is irrelevant to the question. You just need to know that God exists, whether God's benevolent or not, is irrelevant to said existence.

Not necessarily. Finding out about the existence of a God doesn't necessitate finding out that they are omnibenevolent. Even if a God exists it's far more likely that they're not omnibenevolent than that they are.
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Postby Esheaun Stroakuss » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:42 am

Pilipinas and Malaya wrote:I thought this horse died a long time ago.


Nope. It is the horse we keep on flogging.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:07 am

Tarsonis wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
One would assume he'd ask questions like "bonemarrow cancer in kids.. why ?".


point





you


Oh no,I got your point perfectly.
It is just a stupid point ;)
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Postby The Alma Mater » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:10 am

Tarsonis wrote:Or is there certain criteria you need met?


I would personally like some confirmation that God has humanities best interest at heart.
If it turns out that we need to suffer for some cosmic balance that does not benefit us; I would like the ability to make a decision to participate or attempt to hinder said plan. No matter how futile.
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Postby The Dream of Kirby » Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:16 pm

I’m a Christian, so I may be a little biased, but the secular explanations for things seem to have many holes. Well, actually, every belief has unexplained parts to them, but I believe that they are there so it’s a matter of faith, we must choose to believe something, which is why we don’t see obvious signs of a creator.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:19 pm

The Dream of Kirby wrote:I’m a Christian, so I may be a little biased

Only a little? Since the entire faith stands or falls on there being a God, then I'd say a lot more than just a little...

The Dream of Kirby wrote:we must choose to believe something, which is why we don’t see obvious signs of a creator.

If they were "obvious" then wouldn't we already see them?
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Postby Nattily Dressed Anarchists on Bicycles » Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:21 pm

"Is there a God?"

If there is, He seems to go to a lot of trouble to obscure the fact by remaining outside of the domain of the empirically observable.

So no, even He doesn't seem to think so. As such, I presume belief in His non-existance is His will. Ergo, in accordance with God's will, I'm an atheist.

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