Is there a God?

[Neutraligon]

Infinite regression is far less illogical than the idea of a magical sentient being having existed for a literal eternity before finally deciding to create the universe.

except that very concept of time begins with the universe. T1, necessitates the existence of a T0.

Debatable, could be an asymptote at t=0 where it never actually reaches zero.

[Neutraligon]

What "logical laws," Gen? And what "other things" make you think there has to be intelligences in the universe beyond our mortal sphere?

Everything in physics. It's all math and logic, and only an intelligent being could do that.

Ho do you determine that only an intelligent being could do that?

[Albrenia]

What "logical laws," Gen? And what "other things" make you think there has to be intelligences in the universe beyond our mortal sphere?

Everything in physics. It's all math and logic, and only an intelligent being could do that.

Hypothetically, there could be infinite universes created by whatever process created this one, each with its own inherent values, and we're just on one of the ones which is capable of supporting our existence.

[Geneviev]

Everything in physics. It's all math and logic, and only an intelligent being could do that.

Ho do you determine that only an intelligent being could do that?

I've never seen anything else which is capable of understanding logic. That's a feature of intelligence, as I see it.

Everything in physics. It's all math and logic, and only an intelligent being could do that.

Hypothetically, there could be infinite universes created by whatever process created this one, each with its own inherent values, and we're just on one of the ones which is capable of supporting our existence.

That is also a possibility. I don't know if it's really probable, though.

[New Carthagea]

Everything in physics. It's all math and logic, and only an intelligent being could do that.

Hypothetically, there could be infinite universes created by whatever process created this one, each with its own inherent values, and we're just on one of the ones which is capable of supporting our existence.

Seconded.

[Neutraligon]

Ho do you determine that only an intelligent being could do that?

I've never seen anything else which is capable of understanding logic. That's a feature of intelligence, as I see it.

Why does something need to understand logic for there to be logic?

[Sanghyeok]

What "logical laws," Gen? And what "other things" make you think there has to be intelligences in the universe beyond our mortal sphere?

Everything in physics. It's all math and logic, and only an intelligent being could do that.

Something must have made those logical laws- I agree with that. However, whether or not it is a God or Gods is something we will never know.

[Geneviev]

I've never seen anything else which is capable of understanding logic. That's a feature of intelligence, as I see it.

Why does something need to understand logic for there to be logic?

You can't create something you don't know. And there is no evolution for logic, it's not alive. That's the only real explanation.

[Suriyanakhon]

Why does something need to understand logic for there to be logic?

You can't create something you don't know. And there is no evolution for logic, it's not alive. That's the only real explanation.

Logic is a mental faculty which evolved through a variety of neurological mutations, it has no control over the universe.

[Farnhamia]

Everything in physics. It's all math and logic, and only an intelligent being could do that.

Something must have made those logical laws- I agree with that. However, whether or not it is a God or Gods is something we will never know.

No. Those "laws" are our explanation of how things work. If things worked differently, the laws would be different. Things work that way because that's how they work. There is no need to create a creator because we can't understand how the universe came into being.

[Geneviev]

Everything in physics. It's all math and logic, and only an intelligent being could do that.

Something must have made those logical laws- I agree with that. However, whether or not it is a God or Gods is something we will never know.

An intelligence which created the universe. I think we can agree on that.

You can't create something you don't know. And there is no evolution for logic, it's not alive. That's the only real explanation.

Logic is a mental faculty which evolved through a variety of neurological mutations, it has no control over the universe.

All of the natural sciences are really just math. Which is logic.

[Sanghyeok]

Something must have made those logical laws- I agree with that. However, whether or not it is a God or Gods is something we will never know.

An intelligence which created the universe. I think we can agree on that.

I don't know if it was an intelligence, or something else.

[Sanghyeok]

Logic is a mental faculty which evolved through a variety of neurological mutations, it has no control over the universe.

All of the natural sciences are really just math. Which is logic.

And maths is philosophy.

[Suriyanakhon]

Logic is a mental faculty which evolved through a variety of neurological mutations, it has no control over the universe.

All of the natural sciences are really just math. Which is logic.

Math is a constructed form of knowledge to help us better understand the world around us. Numbers and equations don't exist outside of our thoughts.

[Geneviev]

An intelligence which created the universe. I think we can agree on that.

I don't know if it was an intelligence, or something else.

By process of elimination, I got to intelligence based on the fact that nothing else can understand logic.

[Sanghyeok]

I don't know if it was an intelligence, or something else.

By process of elimination, I got to intelligence based on the fact that nothing else can understand logic.

I would disagree on that point, I don't think logic needs to be "understood"?
Although, to be fair, my reasoning for God/Gods to exist is just "it feels like it", so...I suppose your logic is better.

[Geneviev]

All of the natural sciences are really just math. Which is logic.

Math is a constructed form of knowledge to help us better understand the world around us. Numbers and equations don't exist outside of our thoughts.

We discover math. If we invented it, it would be completely different than what we have.

By process of elimination, I got to intelligence based on the fact that nothing else can understand logic.

I would disagree on that point, I don't think logic needs to be "understood"?
Although, to be fair, my reasoning for God/Gods to exist is just "it feels like it", so...I suppose your logic is better.

I think it does. You can't create something without knowing it, and a rock isn't capable of logic because it can't understand it.

[Neutraligon]

Why does something need to understand logic for there to be logic?

You can't create something you don't know. And there is no evolution for logic, it's not alive. That's the only real explanation.

Why do you assume logic must be created? Also, accidental inventions do happen.

[Sanghyeok]

I would disagree on that point, I don't think logic needs to be "understood"?
Although, to be fair, my reasoning for God/Gods to exist is just "it feels like it", so...I suppose your logic is better.

I think it does. You can't create something without knowing it, and a rock isn't capable of logic because it can't understand it.

Then, why is math "discovered" and not "created"? You argued that math is "discovered" but logic is "created".

[Geneviev]

You can't create something you don't know. And there is no evolution for logic, it's not alive. That's the only real explanation.

Why do you assume logic must be created?

I don't actually know. I suppose it had to come into existence with the universe, and didn't always exist.

I think it does. You can't create something without knowing it, and a rock isn't capable of logic because it can't understand it.

Then, why is math "discovered" and not "created"? You argued that math is "discovered" but logic is "created".

Discovered by people, created by God.

[Neutraligon]

Why do you assume logic must be created?

I don't actually know. I suppose it had to come into existence with the universe, and didn't always exist.

But why does it coming into existence with the universe mean it has to be created? Why can't it simply be the nature of our universe, no creation necessary.

[Sanghyeok]

I don't actually know. I suppose it had to come into existence with the universe, and didn't always exist.

But why does it coming into existence with the universe mean it has to be created? Why can't it simply be the nature of our universe, no creation necessary.

The universe, I suppose, must have come from somewhere. And the best explanation is that it was created- by someone, something, or a process we don't know of- at least I think.

[Geneviev]

I don't actually know. I suppose it had to come into existence with the universe, and didn't always exist.

But why does it coming into existence with the universe mean it has to be created? Why can't it simply be the nature of our universe, no creation necessary.

I never really thought about that. Maybe it's just too perfect.

[Farnhamia]

But why does it coming into existence with the universe mean it has to be created? Why can't it simply be the nature of our universe, no creation necessary.

The universe, I suppose, must have come from somewhere. And the best explanation is that it was created- by someone, something, or a process we don't know of- at least I think.

Actually no, the best explanation is that the universe came into being through some process we don't fully understand. Adding a creator is adding an extra layer that has to be explained. Everything has to be explained.

[Sanghyeok]

The universe, I suppose, must have come from somewhere. And the best explanation is that it was created- by someone, something, or a process we don't know of- at least I think.

Actually no, the best explanation is that the universe came into being through some process we don't fully understand. Adding a creator is adding an extra layer that has to be explained. Everything has to be explained.

But could we argue that it is simpler to say someone or something created it (and try to explain how they/it was created) rather than "it is a process we don't understand?".