Is there a God?

[Tarsonis]

First of all that's a misrepresentation of what the prime mover is, and secondly, no it isn't. An infinite regression isn't even logically coherent. Time being eternal backwards is not logically coherent.

Infinite regressions can be quite well defined. Zeno didn't know math.

Time existing infinitely into the past is a perfectly valid model. If you insist that time only goes back so far, then what caused the first thing?

The first thing? the first thing must have always existed. If you're asking what moved the first thing, that would he itself.

[New Haasia]

Romans 1:20
“For since the beginning of time, God’s invisible qualities have been revealed to man, so that he is without fault”
If you don’t believe in God it is hard to except pro God evidence, thus evidence is often an inconvenient way of proving his existence. I like to differ to logic. It makes no logical sense that the universe came from nothing, since according to the Law of Preservation of Matter, matter can’t be created or destroyed. But alas, at this point the smart atheist says “If God created the universe, then who created God?”. There is an easy explanation: since God doesn’t come from this universe he doesn’t abide by its rules. Thus he doesn’t necessarily have to have been created. However, this could apply to a law beyond this universe that dictates the creation of universes, but I don’t believe some law of nature could come out of nowhere, a sentient (all powerful) being like God could. This is my favorite argument for God, dissect, or affirm as you will.
Praise Be To God the Father, Christ The Son, and The Holy Spirit

[Geneviev]

Romans 1:20
“For since the beginning of time, God’s invisible qualities have been revealed to man, so that he is without fault”
If you don’t believe in God it is hard to except pro God evidence, thus evidence is often an inconvenient way of proving his existence. I like to differ to logic. It makes no logical sense that the universe came from nothing, since according to the Law of Preservation of Matter, matter can’t be created or destroyed. But alas, at this point the smart atheist says “If God created the universe, then who created God?”. There is an easy explanation: since God doesn’t come from this universe he doesn’t abide by its rules. Thus he doesn’t necessarily have to have been created. However, this could apply to a law beyond this universe that dictates the creation of universes, but I don’t believe some law of nature could come out of nowhere, a sentient (all powerful) being like God could. This is my favorite argument for God, dissect, or affirm as you will.
Praise Be To God the Father, Christ The Son, and The Holy Spirit

How do you know that that's the right God? I agree, but there's still a bit of a strange connection there. The universe proves that a God exists, not the God.

[Tarsonis]

im one of those that needs proof, without proof it doesn't exist...

I mean it could exist, no one knows. But if it does exist, god is probably not what people think it is

Humans trying to comprehend God is like trying to see the entire universe through a keyhole

[Albrenia]

Romans 1:20
“For since the beginning of time, God’s invisible qualities have been revealed to man, so that he is without fault”
If you don’t believe in God it is hard to except pro God evidence, thus evidence is often an inconvenient way of proving his existence. I like to differ to logic. It makes no logical sense that the universe came from nothing, since according to the Law of Preservation of Matter, matter can’t be created or destroyed. But alas, at this point the smart atheist says “If God created the universe, then who created God?”. There is an easy explanation: since God doesn’t come from this universe he doesn’t abide by its rules. Thus he doesn’t necessarily have to have been created. However, this could apply to a law beyond this universe that dictates the creation of universes, but I don’t believe some law of nature could come out of nowhere, a sentient (all powerful) being like God could. This is my favorite argument for God, dissect, or affirm as you will.
Praise Be To God the Father, Christ The Son, and The Holy Spirit

How do you know that that's the right God? I agree, but there's still a bit of a strange connection there. The universe proves that a God exists, not the God.

I mean, assuming that the need for a Prime Mover is true (which is not something I accept, but for the sake of argument let's ignore that) why does it prove anything other than something acting outside the laws and scope of our Universe happened? Attributing to it intelligence, intent, being singular rather than plural or anything else seems unfounded.

[Geneviev]

How do you know that that's the right God? I agree, but there's still a bit of a strange connection there. The universe proves that a God exists, not the God.

I mean, assuming that the need for a Prime Mover is true (which is not something I accept, but for the sake of argument let's ignore that) why does it prove anything other than something acting outside the laws and scope of our Universe happened? Attributing to it intelligence, intent, being singular rather than plural or anything else seems unfounded.

Some of those are more founded than others. The existence of logical laws does indicate some sort of intelligence to me, but that's no reason to assume only one intelligence. That comes from other things, other than the existence of the universe.

[Farnhamia]

I mean, assuming that the need for a Prime Mover is true (which is not something I accept, but for the sake of argument let's ignore that) why does it prove anything other than something acting outside the laws and scope of our Universe happened? Attributing to it intelligence, intent, being singular rather than plural or anything else seems unfounded.

Some of those are more founded than others. The existence of logical laws does indicate some sort of intelligence to me, but that's no reason to assume only one intelligence. That comes from other things, other than the existence of the universe.

What "logical laws," Gen? And what "other things" make you think there has to be intelligences in the universe beyond our mortal sphere?

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Romans 1:20
“For since the beginning of time, God’s invisible qualities have been revealed to man, so that he is without fault”
If you don’t believe in God it is hard to except pro God evidence, thus evidence is often an inconvenient way of proving his existence. I like to differ to logic. It makes no logical sense that the universe came from nothing, since according to the Law of Preservation of Matter, matter can’t be created or destroyed. But alas, at this point the smart atheist says “If God created the universe, then who created God?”. There is an easy explanation: since God doesn’t come from this universe he doesn’t abide by its rules. Thus he doesn’t necessarily have to have been created. However, this could apply to a law beyond this universe that dictates the creation of universes, but I don’t believe some law of nature could come out of nowhere, a sentient (all powerful) being like God could. This is my favorite argument for God, dissect, or affirm as you will.
Praise Be To God the Father, Christ The Son, and The Holy Spirit

How do you know that that's the right God? I agree, but there's still a bit of a strange connection there. The universe proves that a God exists, not the God.

How does the universe prove that?

[Odreria]

I think the answers I've received to prayers indicates that there is a God.

[Albrenia]

I think the answers I've received to prayers indicates that there is a God.

Quite the opposite for me, but I am glad it has proven productive for you at least.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Romans 1:20
“For since the beginning of time, God’s invisible qualities have been revealed to man, so that he is without fault”

"Invisible" qualities revealed? Sounds like a translation error to me.

If you don’t believe in God it is hard to except pro God evidence, thus evidence is often an inconvenient way of proving his existence. I like to differ to logic. It makes no logical sense that the universe came from nothing, since according to the Law of Preservation of Matter

That's not even a thing. Matter can be converted into Energy, and its mass just vanishes. We do Conservation of Mass/Energy nowadays.

Matter is converted into energy every time a radioactive nucleus decays, did you know that? It's happening inside your own body right now.

, matter can’t be created or destroyed. But alas, at this point the smart atheist says “If God created the universe, then who created God?”. There is an easy explanation: since God doesn’t come from this universe he doesn’t abide by its rules. Thus he doesn’t necessarily have to have been created.

Well at least you're not being tripped up by "who created God". Among Atheists that's a noob move.

However, this could apply to a law beyond this universe that dictates the creation of universes, but I don’t believe some law of nature could come out of nowhere, a sentient (all powerful) being like God could.

But here you are accepting the premise of said noob move. "If God exists he must have been created" is abiding by the rules of the current universe (including that mass and energy are interchangeable).

Cosmology has long ago moved past the assumption that the physical laws NOW have always been. You're arguing against outdated science, and for some reason accepting it as part of your "proof" of God.

This is my favorite argument for God, dissect, or affirm as you will.
Praise Be To God the Father, Christ The Son, and The Holy Spirit

God must exist, because you need to humble yourself before someone ... and no one else is good enough or powerful enough?

[Nobel Hobos 2]

The known universe proves that the universe exists. But anyone who claims an infinite being must exist to create the known universe, doesn't grasp that "infinity" is infinitely bigger than the known universe.

[Othelos]

I think a "god" could exist, but I doubt it would be in the form that many imagine (anthropomorphic). I doubt it would be something that micromanages or analyzes everyone's existence like people think. To answer this question fairly, we need to remove human psychology and biases from the question, which is nearly impossible to do.

Or maybe we don't. I don't really know. All I know is that our culture needs to grow up and learn from our mistakes, because the choices we've been making are super destructive.

[Glen Ellyn]

Romans 1:20
“For since the beginning of time, God’s invisible qualities have been revealed to man, so that he is without fault”

"Invisible" qualities revealed? Sounds like a translation error to me.

If you don’t believe in God it is hard to except pro God evidence, thus evidence is often an inconvenient way of proving his existence. I like to differ to logic. It makes no logical sense that the universe came from nothing, since according to the Law of Preservation of Matter

That's not even a thing. Matter can be converted into Energy, and its mass just vanishes. We do Conservation of Mass/Energy nowadays.

Matter is converted into energy every time a radioactive nucleus decays, did you know that? It's happening inside your own body right now.

, matter can’t be created or destroyed. But alas, at this point the smart atheist says “If God created the universe, then who created God?”. There is an easy explanation: since God doesn’t come from this universe he doesn’t abide by its rules. Thus he doesn’t necessarily have to have been created.

Well at least you're not being tripped up by "who created God". Among Atheists that's a noob move.

However, this could apply to a law beyond this universe that dictates the creation of universes, but I don’t believe some law of nature could come out of nowhere, a sentient (all powerful) being like God could.

But here you are accepting the premise of said noob move. "If God exists he must have been created" is abiding by the rules of the current universe (including that mass and energy are interchangeable).

Cosmology has long ago moved past the assumption that the physical laws NOW have always been. You're arguing against outdated science, and for some reason accepting it as part of your "proof" of God.

This is my favorite argument for God, dissect, or affirm as you will.
Praise Be To God the Father, Christ The Son, and The Holy Spirit

God must exist, because you need to humble yourself before someone ... and no one else is good enough or powerful enough?

You’re basically basing your entire argument on what New Haasia has already disproved: that matter and energy can be destroyed or created. You would be correct in assuming that matter can lose its mass and keep its energy on the smallest scale (like with electrons). But you don’t see this on a larger scale. Like you wouldn’t see an entire tree disappear Infinity War style. So it is simply illogical that an entire universe came from nowhere

[Glen Ellyn]

I think the answers I've received to prayers indicates that there is a God.

I wholeheartedly agree

[United Hemand Insia]

I think the answers I've received to prayers indicates that there is a God.

I wholeheartedly agree

There is a God, but people don't open their minds wide enough to realize it.

[The Alma Mater]

I think the answers I've received to prayers indicates that there is a God.

Perhaps you are just a great wizard ?

[Insaanistan]

“ When something bad happens to people, they cry to their Lord and turn to Him for help, but no sooner does He let them taste His blessing then—lo and behold!—some of them ascribe partners to their Lord, showing no gratitude for what We have given them.”
-Qur’ân

How true is this?

[United Hemand Insia]

I think the answers I've received to prayers indicates that there is a God.

Perhaps you are just a great wizard ?

I didn't know Dumbledore could do that.

[Odreria]

“ When something bad happens to people, they cry to their Lord and turn to Him for help, but no sooner does He let them taste His blessing then—lo and behold!—some of them ascribe partners to their Lord, showing no gratitude for what We have given them.”
-Qur’ân

How true is this?

And as he entered into a certain village, there met him ten men that were lepers, which stood afar off:

13 And they lifted up their voices, and said, Jesus, Master, have mercy on us.

14 And when he saw them, he said unto them, Go shew yourselves unto the priests. And it came to pass, that, as they went, they were cleansed.

15 And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God,

16 And fell down on his face at his feet, giving him thanks: and he was a Samaritan.

17 And Jesus answering said, Were there not ten cleansed? but where are the nine?

18 There are not found that returned to give glory to God, save this stranger.

19 And he said unto him, Arise, go thy way: thy faith hath made thee whole.

- Luke 17

[Albrenia]

I wholeheartedly agree

There is a God, but people don't open their minds wide enough to realize it.

That kind of sounds like the mirror to the edge internet atheist who thinks everyone who believes in religion is a dullard.

No, being religious, or not being religious, is not simply a matter of being too dumb or 'open minded' enough to see it. Unless one considers open mindedness to be the acceptance of an idea as true based on personal feelings (which is all we have, one way or the other, right now).

[Qihein]

Yeah, he's real, I met him in a gay bar once.

[United Hemand Insia]

Yeah, he's real, I met him in a gay bar once.

The hell is that supposed to mean?

[Albrenia]

Yeah, he's real, I met him in a gay bar once.

The hell is that supposed to mean?

God is fabulous, apparently.

[Geneviev]

Some of those are more founded than others. The existence of logical laws does indicate some sort of intelligence to me, but that's no reason to assume only one intelligence. That comes from other things, other than the existence of the universe.

What "logical laws," Gen? And what "other things" make you think there has to be intelligences in the universe beyond our mortal sphere?

Everything in physics. It's all math and logic, and only an intelligent being could do that.