Is there a God?

[The Alma Mater]

1. If force was needed to implement a religion, we would hear of it.
2. *Looks at America and Donald Trump*

1. We are talking about medieval times.
2. Behold how many mindlessly parrot the great and exalted Trump.

[Jedi Council]

This is pointless.

Your original comment was how could a false religion spread among the peasants so widely. I gave you an answer in the Christian context, which had an obvious focus on Roman paganism because that is the primary religion that Christianity supplanted.

Do you have an actual argument or not?

And yet you avoided my question when asking what other religions or cultures you would like to talk about

[Lost Memories]

a book given to an illiterate person will be just a block of paper
a math book given to a person ignorant of mathematics will be just a bunch of ghibberish
a sacred text given to a religiously illiterate will only allow the illiterate to bring forth more ignorance

like pearls given to swines, that's what the irreligious most often do with sacred texts
some foolish people believe that giving pearls to swines will make them develop appreciation for beauty, as pearls are beautiful
but swines will just eat the pearls, thinking they are food
swines will get a stomache from eating pearls
and then swines will shit out the pearls

same the atheist do, or the irreligious at large do
they eat up religious texts as if it was food
they get a stomache, and then shit out their understanding of sacred texts on forums

if swines could talk, they would argumentate how pearls are shitty food
same as atheists argumentate and debate about how religious texts don't make sense

pearls given to swines


The idiom "pearls to swines" was popularized by Jesus btw

[The Alma Mater]

And yet you avoided my question when asking what other religions or cultures you would like to talk about

Well, we could take about the nordic religions, the germanic religions etc. All supplanted as well.

[La Xinga]

1. If force was needed to implement a religion, we would hear of it.
2. *Looks at America and Donald Trump*

1. We are talking about medieval times.
2. Behold how many mindlessly parrot the great and exalted Trump.

1. And....we would still hear of it.
2. I see fierce resistance.

And yet you avoided my question when asking what other religions or cultures you would like to talk about

No I did not.

[The Alma Mater]

a book given to an illiterate person will be just a block of paper
a math book given to a person ignorant of mathematics will be just a bunch of ghibberish
a sacred text given to a religiously illiterate will only allow the illiterate to bring forth more ignorance

like pearls given to swines, that's what the irreligious most often do with sacred texts
some foolish people believe that giving pearls to swines will make them develop appreciation for beauty, as pearls are beautiful
but swines will just eat the pearls, thinking they are food
swines will get a stomache from eating pearls
and then swines will shit out the pearls

same the atheist do, or the irreligious at large do
they eat up religious texts as if it was food
they get a stomache, and then shit out their understanding of sacred texts on forums

if swines could talk, they would argumentate how pearls are shitty food
same as atheists argumentate and debate about how religious texts don't make sense

pearls given to swines


The idiom "pearls to swines" was popularized by Jesus btw

Of course, religious people tend to only respect their own religious texts.
At least atheists often took the time to read the works of "the competition" instead of burning them

[Estanglia]

a book given to an illiterate person will be just a block of paper
a math book given to a person ignorant of mathematics will be just a bunch of ghibberish
a sacred text given to a religiously illiterate will only allow the illiterate to bring forth more ignorance

like pearls given to swines, that's what the irreligious most often do with sacred texts
some foolish people believe that giving pearls to swines will make them develop appreciation for beauty, as pearls are beautiful
but swines will just eat the pearls, thinking they are food
swines will get a stomache from eating pearls
and then swines will shit out the pearls

same the atheist do, or the irreligious at large do
they eat up religious texts as if it was food
they get a stomache, and then shit out their understanding of sacred texts on forums

if swines could talk, they would argumentate how pearls are shitty food
same as atheists argumentate and debate about how religious texts don't make sense

pearls given to swines


The idiom "pearls to swines" was popularized by Jesus btw

So...

Any point behind all this beyond a cheap "irreligious people don't understand religion"?

[Jedi Council]

And yet you avoided my question when asking what other religions or cultures you would like to talk about

Well, we could take about the nordic religions, the germanic religions etc. All supplanted as well.

Quite so, they suffered from many of the same issues as Roman Paganism however.

a book given to an illiterate person will be just a block of paper
a math book given to a person ignorant of mathematics will be just a bunch of ghibberish
a sacred text given to a religiously illiterate will only allow the illiterate to bring forth more ignorance

like pearls given to swines, that's what the irreligious most often do with sacred texts
some foolish people believe that giving pearls to swines will make them develop appreciation for beauty, as pearls are beautiful
but swines will just eat the pearls, thinking they are food
swines will get a stomache from eating pearls
and then swines will shit out the pearls

same the atheist do, or the irreligious at large do
they eat up religious texts as if it was food
they get a stomache, and then shit out their understanding of sacred texts on forums

if swines could talk, they would argumentate how pearls are shitty food
same as atheists argumentate and debate about how religious texts don't make sense

pearls given to swines


The idiom "pearls to swines" was popularized by Jesus btw

We that's just a load of poetic nonsense.

1. We are talking about medieval times.
2. Behold how many mindlessly parrot the great and exalted Trump.

1. And....we would still hear of it.
2. I see fierce resistance.

And yet you avoided my question when asking what other religions or cultures you would like to talk about

No I did not.

Yes you did. You failed to offer other regions, religions, or cultures that you wanted to focus on rather than the Romans. You just kept repeating "Its not just the Roman's."

[The Alma Mater]

1. We are talking about medieval times.
2. Behold how many mindlessly parrot the great and exalted Trump.

1. And....we would still hear of it.

We did. Christianity was very much spread by the sword.
Still, hearing of news is pretty hard without long distance communication.

2. I see fierce resistance.

And yet he is president.

[La Xinga]

Well, we could take about the nordic religions, the germanic religions etc. All supplanted as well.

Quite so, they suffered from many of the same issues as Roman Paganism however.

1. And....we would still hear of it.
2. I see fierce resistance.

No I did not.

Yes you did. You failed to offer other regions, religions, or cultures that you wanted to focus on rather than the Romans. You just kept repeating "Its not just the Roman's."

1. And how do you know that? We have no records of what you said, or at least from what I heard.
2. TAM already did, not necessary for me to.

[La Xinga]

1. And....we would still hear of it.

We did. Christianity was very much spread by the sword.
Still, hearing of news is pretty hard without long distance communication.

2. I see fierce resistance.

And yet he is president.

1. European example?
2. And yet the majority of the country doesn't believe in him.

[Jedi Council]

Quite so, they suffered from many of the same issues as Roman Paganism however.

Yes you did. You failed to offer other regions, religions, or cultures that you wanted to focus on rather than the Romans. You just kept repeating "Its not just the Roman's."

1. And how do you know that? We have no records of what you said, or at least from what I heard.
2. TAM already did, not necessary for me to.

You do realize we have a decent understanding of Norse culture and religion right? The conversion of Scandinavia is well relatively well documented and understood.

[Estanglia]

1. We are talking about medieval times.
2. Behold how many mindlessly parrot the great and exalted Trump.

1. And....we would still hear of it.
2. I see fierce resistance.

1. We've heard of forced conversions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_conversion

[Jedi Council]

We did. Christianity was very much spread by the sword.
Still, hearing of news is pretty hard without long distance communication.


And yet he is president.

1. European example?
2. And yet the majority of the country doesn't believe in him.

Charlemagne.

He forcibly converted the Saxons.

The Tuetonic Crusades is another.

[Necroghastia]

We did. Christianity was very much spread by the sword.
Still, hearing of news is pretty hard without long distance communication.


And yet he is president.

1. European example?
2. And yet the majority of the country doesn't believe in him.

It's almost as though we have greater access today to information and communication than at any other point in history. That can't possibly have anything to do with that, though.

[Lost Memories]

So...

Any point behind all this beyond a cheap "irreligious people don't understand religion"?

It's pretty clear by itself i think.

The bible is a complex text, you need a good deal of previous understanding (historical, cultural, religious) to be able to read it and actually understand what is being conveyed.
Same as other specialized texts need specialized knowledge to be actually understood.

Missing that very basic point is how much of the stuff and critics spewed out by irreligious about christianity can be summed up to: ignorant bullshit.
Which is why in older times the bible was not given around for the illiterate to misread. But then protestantism happened, so now you all believe to be able to self-learn something, while you are just building up more and more ignorance based on misreading.
In that sense, you all irreligious here, would make old protestants proud. You have learned well from them. Truly a cultural legacy of illiteracy.


Sorry for dipping in the anti-christian circlejerk taking place here.

[Jedi Council]

So...

Any point behind all this beyond a cheap "irreligious people don't understand religion"?

It's pretty clear by itself i think.

The bible is a complex text, you need a good deal of previous understanding (historical, cultural, religious) to be able to read it and actually understand what is being conveyed.
Same as other specialized texts need specialized knowledge to be actually understood.

Missing that very basic point is how much of the stuff and critics spewed out by irreligious about christianity can be summed up to: ignorant bullshit.
Which is why in older times the bible was not given around for the illiterate to misread. But then protestantism happened, so now you all believe to be able to self-learn something, while you are just building up more and more ignorance based on misreading.
In that sense, you all irreligious here, would make old protestants proud. You have learned well from them. Truly a cultural legacy of illiteracy.

You do realize there are highly educated atheists who are well versed in literature, history, culture and theology right?

It's not like we all picked up the Bible, went "Hurrr durrr stupid God" and went about our day.

[Estanglia]

So...

Any point behind all this beyond a cheap "irreligious people don't understand religion"?

It's pretty clear by itself i think.

The bible is a complex text, you need a good deal of previous understanding (historical, cultural, religious) to be able to read it and actually understand what is being conveyed.
Same as other specialized texts need specialized knowledge to be actually understood.

Missing that very basic point is how much of the stuff and critics spewed out by irreligious about christianity can be summed up to: ignorant bullshit.
Which is why in older times the bible was not given around for the illiterate to misread. But then protestantism happened, so now you all believe to be able to self-learn something, while you are just building up more and more ignorance based on misreading.
In that sense, you all irreligious here, would make old protestants proud. You have learned well from them. Truly a cultural legacy of illiteracy.

So yes, sounds like a cheap "irreligious people don't understand religion" to me.

[La Xinga]

1. And how do you know that? We have no records of what you said, or at least from what I heard.
2. TAM already did, not necessary for me to.

You do realize we have a decent understanding of Norse culture and religion right? The conversion of Scandinavia is well relatively well documented and understood.

Through missionaries. Also Visigoths.

1. European example?
2. And yet the majority of the country doesn't believe in him.

Charlemagne.

He forcibly converted the Saxons.

The Tuetonic Crusades is another.

^

1. European example?
2. And yet the majority of the country doesn't believe in him.

It's almost as though we have greater access today to information and communication than at any other point in history. That can't possibly have anything to do with that, though.

Yet we have info from all the way since the creation of the world!

[The Alma Mater]

So...

Any point behind all this beyond a cheap "irreligious people don't understand religion"?

It's pretty clear by itself i think.

The bible is a complex text, you need a good deal of previous understanding (historical, cultural, religious) to be able to read it and actually understand what is being conveyed.
Same as other specialized texts need specialized knowledge to be actually understood.

Missing that very basic point is how much of the stuff and critics spewed out by irreligious about christianity can be summed up to: ignorant bullshit.
Which is why in older times the bible was not given around for the illiterate to misread. But then protestantism happened, so now you all believe to be able to self-learn something, while you are just building up more and more ignorance based on misreading.
In that sense, you all irreligious here, would make old protestants proud. You have learned well from them. Truly a cultural legacy of illiteracy.

I note you carefully avoided to reply to the part on the treatment of sacred texts of other religions

[Jedi Council]

You do realize we have a decent understanding of Norse culture and religion right? The conversion of Scandinavia is well relatively well documented and understood.

Through missionaries. Also Visigoths.

Charlemagne.

He forcibly converted the Saxons.

The Tuetonic Crusades is another.

^

It's almost as though we have greater access today to information and communication than at any other point in history. That can't possibly have anything to do with that, though.

Yet we have info from all the way since the creation of the world!

Wait, are you trying to say that the Saxon Conversion and Tuetonic Crusades were simply the work of peaceful missionaries?

[La Xinga]

Through missionaries. Also Visigoths.

^

Yet we have info from all the way since the creation of the world!

Wait, are you trying to say that the Saxon Conversion and Tuetonic Crusades were simply the work of peaceful missionaries?

No? Are YOU trying to say that the Saxon Conversion and Tuetonic Crusades were simply the work of peaceful missionaries?

[Jedi Council]

Wait, are you trying to say that the Saxon Conversion and Tuetonic Crusades were simply the work of peaceful missionaries?

No? Are YOU trying to say that the Saxon Conversion and Tuetonic Crusades were simply the work of peaceful missionaries?

Not at all, quite the opposite actually.

But give the ^ in your last post, I assumed you were pointing to the missionaries in the previous comment.

However, you asked for examples of Christianity being spread by the sword in Europe, and now you have two.

[Lost Memories]

It's pretty clear by itself i think.

The bible is a complex text, you need a good deal of previous understanding (historical, cultural, religious) to be able to read it and actually understand what is being conveyed.
Same as other specialized texts need specialized knowledge to be actually understood.

Missing that very basic point is how much of the stuff and critics spewed out by irreligious about christianity can be summed up to: ignorant bullshit.
Which is why in older times the bible was not given around for the illiterate to misread. But then protestantism happened, so now you all believe to be able to self-learn something, while you are just building up more and more ignorance based on misreading.
In that sense, you all irreligious here, would make old protestants proud. You have learned well from them. Truly a cultural legacy of illiteracy.

You do realize there are highly educated atheists who are well versed in literature, history, culture and theology right?

It's not like we all picked up the Bible, went "Hurrr durrr stupid God" and went about our day.

Maybe those people do exist.
But they aren't present in this thread apparently.

[Estanglia]

You do realize we have a decent understanding of Norse culture and religion right? The conversion of Scandinavia is well relatively well documented and understood.

Through missionaries. Also Visigoths.

Charlemagne.

He forcibly converted the Saxons.

The Tuetonic Crusades is another.

^

It's almost as though we have greater access today to information and communication than at any other point in history. That can't possibly have anything to do with that, though.

Yet we have info from all the way since the creation of the world!

Depending on what you mean by 'info', sure.

But we in the modern era are uniquely situated to both be capable of understanding that this information even exists, and accessing it. Somebody living centuries ago would have a much harder time accessing such information, if they're even aware that this information exists.