Is there a God?

[Insaanistan]

It is important to point out that Geneviev brought the idea that God is somehow a kind and loving and omnipotent deity up (in spite of —and somehow because of— all of the needless suffering in the universe), and we are detailing how such claims are flawed.

Also, in respect to the previous question you asked: God is generally held to the highest standards, is he not? He’s supposed to be perfect, and that to which we should all aspire. God has a way of specifically and effortlessly eliminating all suffering, and he does not do so. In fact, in creating this universe WITH this suffering in it, as an omnipotent being he is rather literally at fault for the presence of such suffering.

Why in the fuck would he deserve worship for that?

Because he doesn't deserve worship.
God should be cast into hell for his crimes against not just humanity and all other creatures on this Earth, but against the universe itself.

What are God’s crimes? The tragic event known as Shoah, the Holocaust, for example. Could we see that as a lesson and a test? People were tested with the devil that was Hitler. Remember, he came to power legally. The people were tested as to whether or not in their state they would buy into his rhetoric and blame minorities. It also reminded us what occurs when we let dictators come to power. The mass genocide of European Jews, Roma and other groups showed us what dictators can be capable. The fact Albania (a Muslim country) saved so many Jews it was the only country in all of Europe to have more Jews at the end of the war than in the beginning serves as a reminder that Muslims and Jews are brothers and sisters.

-From America, a country ruled by a Germanic man with funny hair who hates minorities promising to make the country great again.

[San Kalungsod Saludong]

I have to correct you briefly. The event you're describing is directly connected to the end of Christ's life and occurred in a nuanced and specific context.

Not from the perspective of most of the witnesses, who would have been unaware of any cause & effect, and would have only seen the dead rising from their graves, and tombs split open all over the city. Which is the point. There's no reason for these people to keep quiet about it. There's no bias that would cause them to do so. And there's plenty of reason to think that someone would have made a note of this.

It's very telling that none of them wrote anything down about it. I mean, not one. Either they were so board with resurrection that they thought this wasn't a noteworthy event, or *gasp* it didn't happen.

Now if you're done trying to evade the point with pedantry. Please concede or explain how that's wrong.

It most likely happened, why would the Apostles fling themselves to martyrdom everywhere across Rome if the ressurection was a lie? Also, the political powers that be would really like to supress the fact of the Resurrection since it threatened their hold on the government. Everyone from the Governor, the Sanhedrin and the Pharisees have vested interest to lie that the resurection was not real and then have the motive to force everyone to say that the resurrection isn't real. Also the make up of the Apostolic documents from the Gospels to the Epistles of Paul show a very journalistic and historical writing style. Paul for example in his letters kept on writing about financial reports, travels and rendezvous with many Greek or Roman citizens, which has no teaching on it, that's affixed to his epistles, if somebody where to create a myth, why would they waste precious papyrus, which was then very expensive in the Middle East, with all the uncessary verbiose records of day to day life? Myth makers wouldn't be interested in Book Keeping and Accounting but that is what Paul did in the Paulinian Epistles.

[San Kalungsod Saludong]

Lol if the Apostolic tradition was a myth. Why would Paul and the Apostles waste precious paper for book keeping and accounting? It would be better to use the paper for mythologizing rather than record mundane event.


1 Corinthians 16:1-4

16 Now about the collection for the Lord’s people: Do what I told the Galatian churches to do. 2 On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with your income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made. 3 Then, when I arrive, I will give letters of introduction to the men you approve and send them with your gift to Jerusalem. 4 If it seems advisable for me to go also, they will accompany me.

2 Corinthians 8:1–9:15

The Collection for the Lord’s People

8 And now, brothers and sisters, we want you to know about the grace that God has given the Macedoniang churches. 2 In the midst of a very severe trial, their overflowing joy and their extreme poverty welled up in rich generosity.h 3 For I testify that they gave as much as they were able,i and even beyond their ability. Entirely on their own, 4 they urgently pleaded with us for the privilege of sharingj in this servicek to the Lord’s people.l 5 And they exceeded our expectations: They gave themselves first of all to the Lord, and then by the will of God also to us. 6 So we urgedm Titus,n just as he had earlier made a beginning, to bring also to completiono this act of grace on your part. 7 But since you excel in everythingp—in faith, in speech, in knowledge,q in complete earnestness and in the love we have kindled in youa—see that you also excel in this grace of giving.

8 I am not commanding you,r but I want to test the sincerity of your love by comparing it with the earnestness of others. 9 For you know the graces of our Lord Jesus Christ,t that though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor,u so that you through his poverty might become rich.v

10 And here is my judgmentw about what is best for you in this matter. Last year you were the first not only to give but also to have the desire to do so.x 11 Now finish the work, so that your eager willingnessy to do it may be matched by your completion of it, according to your means. 12 For if the willingness is there, the gift is acceptable according to what one has,z not according to what one does not have.

13 Our desire is not that others might be relieved while you are hard pressed, but that there might be equality. 14 At the present time your plenty will supply what they need,a so that in turn their plenty will supply what you need. The goal is equality, 15 as it is written: “The one who gathered much did not have too much, and the one who gathered little did not have too little.”b b

Titus Sent to Receive the Collection

16 Thanks be to God,c who put into the heartd of Tituse the same concern I have for you. 17 For Titus not only welcomed our appeal, but he is coming to you with much enthusiasm and on his own initiative.f 18 And we are sending along with him the brotherg who is praised by all the churchesh for his service to the gospel.i 19 What is more, he was chosen by the churches to accompany usj as we carry the offering, which we administer in order to honor the Lord himself and to show our eagerness to help.k 20 We want to avoid any criticism of the way we administer this liberal gift. 21 For we are taking pains to do what is right, not only in the eyes of the Lord but also in the eyes of man.l

22 In addition, we are sending with them our brother who has often proved to us in many ways that he is zealous, and now even more so because of his great confidence in you. 23 As for Titus,m he is my partnern and co-workero among you; as for our brothers,p they are representatives of the churches and an honor to Christ. 24 Therefore show these men the proof of your love and the reason for our pride in you,q so that the churches can see it.

9 There is no needr for me to write to you about this services to the Lord’s people.t 2 For I know your eagerness to help,u and I have been boastingv about it to the Macedonians, telling them that since last yearw you in Achaiax were ready to give; and your enthusiasm has stirred most of them to action. 3 But I am sending the brothersy in order that our boasting about you in this matter should not prove hollow, but that you may be ready, as I said you would be.z 4 For if any Macedoniansa come with me and find you unprepared, we—not to say anything about you—would be ashamed of having been so confident. 5 So I thought it necessary to urge the brothersb to visit you in advance and finish the arrangements for the generous gift you had promised. Then it will be ready as a generous gift,c not as one grudgingly given.d

Generosity Encouraged

6 Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously.e 7 Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give,f not reluctantly or under compulsion,g for God loves a cheerful giver.h 8 And God is ablei to bless you abundantly, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need,j you will abound in every good work. 9 As it is written:

“They have freely scattered their giftsk to the poor;

their righteousness endures forever.”a l

10 Now he who supplies seed to the sower and bread for foodm will also supply and increase your store of seed and will enlarge the harvest of your righteousness.n 11 You will be enrichedo in every way so that you can be generousp on every occasion, and through us your generosity will result in thanksgiving to God.q

12 This service that you perform is not only supplying the needsr of the Lord’s people but is also overflowing in many expressions of thanks to God.s 13 Because of the servicet by which you have proved yourselves, others will praise Godu for the obedience that accompanies your confessionv of the gospel of Christ,w and for your generosityx in sharing with them and with everyone else. 14 And in their prayers for you their hearts will go out to you, because of the surpassing grace God has given you. 15 Thanks be to Gody for his indescribable gift!z

Romans 15:25-31

25 Now, however, I am on my way to Jerusalem in the service of the Lord’s people there. 26 For Macedonia and Achaia were pleased to make a contribution for the poor among the Lord’s people in Jerusalem. 27 They were pleased to do it, and indeed they owe it to them. For if the Gentiles have shared in the Jews’ spiritual blessings, they owe it to the Jews to share with them their material blessings. 28 So after I have completed this task and have made sure that they have received this contribution, I will go to Spain and visit you on the way. 29 I know that when I come to you, I will come in the full measure of the blessing of Christ.

30 I urge you, brothers and sisters, by our Lord Jesus Christ and by the love of the Spirit, to join me in my struggle by praying to God for me. 31 Pray that I may be kept safe from the unbelievers in Judea and that the contribution I take to Jerusalem may be favorably received by the Lord’s people there,

See? If the Gospels where a myth why is there so much excessive and mundane details?

[The New California Republic]

See? If the Gospels where a myth why is there so much excessive and mundane details?

Novels can often have excessive or mundane details. Does that mean they are true? Using your metric it does...

[San Kalungsod Saludong]

See? If the Gospels where a myth why is there so much excessive and mundane details?

Novels can often have excessive or mundane details. Does that mean they are true? Using your metric it does...

This is 50 AD, nobody would waste precious paper to write mundane details about an event they won't consider real or at least inspirational.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

I seriously doubt there are gods. I'm certain that if there are they have no connection whatsoever to any religion on earth. Religions are just human made systems for controlling other people.

[San Kalungsod Saludong]

I seriously doubt there are gods. I'm certain that if there are they have no connection whatsoever to any religion on earth. Religions are just human made systems for controlling other people.

Actually the etymological root word of the term "Religion" comes from the Latin "Re" [Again] and "Legere" [Write] (According to Augustinian thought), which means to "Write Again". At least the Greco-Roman understanding of Religion was a means to pass on collated wisdom, by rewritting or repeating spiritual praxis.

[The New California Republic]

See? If the Gospels where a myth why is there so much excessive and mundane details?

Novels can often have excessive or mundane details. Does that mean they are true? Using your metric it does...

This is 50 AD, nobody would waste precious paper to write mundane details about an event they won't consider real or at least inspirational.

Works of fiction existed back then too, so that isn't a satisfactory rebuke at all since what you are saying just isn't true. So, again, using your metric, those works of fiction are all true.

[San Kalungsod Saludong]

This is 50 AD, nobody would waste precious paper to write mundane details about an event they won't consider real or at least inspirational.

Works of fiction existed back then too, so that isn't a satisfactory rebuke at all since what you are saying just isn't true. So, again, using your metric, those works of fiction are all true.

What about the bones of Saint Peter in the Vatican carbon dated to be from the Apostolic era? Not to mention, the characters in the crucifixion narrative are independently validated by Archeology?

For example the New York Times published about the 2000 Year Old Ring of Pontius Pilate.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/30/worl ... est%20Bank.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Lol if the Apostolic tradition was a myth. Why would Paul and the Apostles waste precious paper for book keeping and accounting? It would be better to use the paper for mythologizing rather than record mundane event.


1 Corinthians 16:1-4

16 Now about the collection for the Lord’s people: Do what I told the Galatian churches to do. 2 On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with your income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made. 3 Then, when I arrive, I will give letters of introduction to the men you approve and send them with your gift to Jerusalem. 4 If it seems advisable for me to go also, they will accompany me.

2 Corinthians 8:1–9:15

The Collection for the Lord’s People

8 And now, brothers and sisters, we want you to know about the grace that God has given the Macedoniang churches. 2 In the midst of a very severe trial, their overflowing joy and their extreme poverty welled up in rich generosity.h 3 For I testify that they gave as much as they were able,i and even beyond their ability. Entirely on their own, 4 they urgently pleaded with us for the privilege of sharingj in this servicek to the Lord’s people.l 5 And they exceeded our expectations: They gave themselves first of all to the Lord, and then by the will of God also to us. 6 So we urgedm Titus,n just as he had earlier made a beginning, to bring also to completiono this act of grace on your part. 7 But since you excel in everythingp—in faith, in speech, in knowledge,q in complete earnestness and in the love we have kindled in youa—see that you also excel in this grace of giving.

8 I am not commanding you,r but I want to test the sincerity of your love by comparing it with the earnestness of others. 9 For you know the graces of our Lord Jesus Christ,t that though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor,u so that you through his poverty might become rich.v

10 And here is my judgmentw about what is best for you in this matter. Last year you were the first not only to give but also to have the desire to do so.x 11 Now finish the work, so that your eager willingnessy to do it may be matched by your completion of it, according to your means. 12 For if the willingness is there, the gift is acceptable according to what one has,z not according to what one does not have.

13 Our desire is not that others might be relieved while you are hard pressed, but that there might be equality. 14 At the present time your plenty will supply what they need,a so that in turn their plenty will supply what you need. The goal is equality, 15 as it is written: “The one who gathered much did not have too much, and the one who gathered little did not have too little.”b b

Titus Sent to Receive the Collection

16 Thanks be to God,c who put into the heartd of Tituse the same concern I have for you. 17 For Titus not only welcomed our appeal, but he is coming to you with much enthusiasm and on his own initiative.f 18 And we are sending along with him the brotherg who is praised by all the churchesh for his service to the gospel.i 19 What is more, he was chosen by the churches to accompany usj as we carry the offering, which we administer in order to honor the Lord himself and to show our eagerness to help.k 20 We want to avoid any criticism of the way we administer this liberal gift. 21 For we are taking pains to do what is right, not only in the eyes of the Lord but also in the eyes of man.l

22 In addition, we are sending with them our brother who has often proved to us in many ways that he is zealous, and now even more so because of his great confidence in you. 23 As for Titus,m he is my partnern and co-workero among you; as for our brothers,p they are representatives of the churches and an honor to Christ. 24 Therefore show these men the proof of your love and the reason for our pride in you,q so that the churches can see it.

9 There is no needr for me to write to you about this services to the Lord’s people.t 2 For I know your eagerness to help,u and I have been boastingv about it to the Macedonians, telling them that since last yearw you in Achaiax were ready to give; and your enthusiasm has stirred most of them to action. 3 But I am sending the brothersy in order that our boasting about you in this matter should not prove hollow, but that you may be ready, as I said you would be.z 4 For if any Macedoniansa come with me and find you unprepared, we—not to say anything about you—would be ashamed of having been so confident. 5 So I thought it necessary to urge the brothersb to visit you in advance and finish the arrangements for the generous gift you had promised. Then it will be ready as a generous gift,c not as one grudgingly given.d

Generosity Encouraged

6 Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously.e 7 Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give,f not reluctantly or under compulsion,g for God loves a cheerful giver.h 8 And God is ablei to bless you abundantly, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need,j you will abound in every good work. 9 As it is written:

“They have freely scattered their giftsk to the poor;

their righteousness endures forever.”a l

10 Now he who supplies seed to the sower and bread for foodm will also supply and increase your store of seed and will enlarge the harvest of your righteousness.n 11 You will be enrichedo in every way so that you can be generousp on every occasion, and through us your generosity will result in thanksgiving to God.q

12 This service that you perform is not only supplying the needsr of the Lord’s people but is also overflowing in many expressions of thanks to God.s 13 Because of the servicet by which you have proved yourselves, others will praise Godu for the obedience that accompanies your confessionv of the gospel of Christ,w and for your generosityx in sharing with them and with everyone else. 14 And in their prayers for you their hearts will go out to you, because of the surpassing grace God has given you. 15 Thanks be to Gody for his indescribable gift!z

Romans 15:25-31

25 Now, however, I am on my way to Jerusalem in the service of the Lord’s people there. 26 For Macedonia and Achaia were pleased to make a contribution for the poor among the Lord’s people in Jerusalem. 27 They were pleased to do it, and indeed they owe it to them. For if the Gentiles have shared in the Jews’ spiritual blessings, they owe it to the Jews to share with them their material blessings. 28 So after I have completed this task and have made sure that they have received this contribution, I will go to Spain and visit you on the way. 29 I know that when I come to you, I will come in the full measure of the blessing of Christ.

30 I urge you, brothers and sisters, by our Lord Jesus Christ and by the love of the Spirit, to join me in my struggle by praying to God for me. 31 Pray that I may be kept safe from the unbelievers in Judea and that the contribution I take to Jerusalem may be favorably received by the Lord’s people there,

See? If the Gospels where a myth why is there so much excessive and mundane details?

You heard it here folks. The sheer amount of detail in the gospels proves conclusively that God sent his son, who was himself, to be killed and resurrected just so he could forgive everyone for their sins (even though he created them sinful to begin with).

[The New California Republic]

Works of fiction existed back then too, so that isn't a satisfactory rebuke at all since what you are saying just isn't true. So, again, using your metric, those works of fiction are all true.

What about the bones of Saint Peter in the Vatican carbon dated to be from the Apostolic era? Not to mention, the characters in the crucifixion narrative are independently validated by Archeology?

For example the New York Times published about the 2000 Year Old Ring of Pontius Pilate.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/30/worl ... est%20Bank.

Not what you were arguing. Don't change the argument. To reiterate, you said: "If the Gospels where a myth why is there so much excessive and mundane details?"

Since you are now trying to decoy the subject away from that point after I blew it out of the water, I'm taking it as a nonverbal retraction of what you said.

[San Kalungsod Saludong]

Lol if the Apostolic tradition was a myth. Why would Paul and the Apostles waste precious paper for book keeping and accounting? It would be better to use the paper for mythologizing rather than record mundane event.


1 Corinthians 16:1-4

16 Now about the collection for the Lord’s people: Do what I told the Galatian churches to do. 2 On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with your income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made. 3 Then, when I arrive, I will give letters of introduction to the men you approve and send them with your gift to Jerusalem. 4 If it seems advisable for me to go also, they will accompany me.

2 Corinthians 8:1–9:15

The Collection for the Lord’s People

8 And now, brothers and sisters, we want you to know about the grace that God has given the Macedoniang churches. 2 In the midst of a very severe trial, their overflowing joy and their extreme poverty welled up in rich generosity.h 3 For I testify that they gave as much as they were able,i and even beyond their ability. Entirely on their own, 4 they urgently pleaded with us for the privilege of sharingj in this servicek to the Lord’s people.l 5 And they exceeded our expectations: They gave themselves first of all to the Lord, and then by the will of God also to us. 6 So we urgedm Titus,n just as he had earlier made a beginning, to bring also to completiono this act of grace on your part. 7 But since you excel in everythingp—in faith, in speech, in knowledge,q in complete earnestness and in the love we have kindled in youa—see that you also excel in this grace of giving.

8 I am not commanding you,r but I want to test the sincerity of your love by comparing it with the earnestness of others. 9 For you know the graces of our Lord Jesus Christ,t that though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor,u so that you through his poverty might become rich.v

10 And here is my judgmentw about what is best for you in this matter. Last year you were the first not only to give but also to have the desire to do so.x 11 Now finish the work, so that your eager willingnessy to do it may be matched by your completion of it, according to your means. 12 For if the willingness is there, the gift is acceptable according to what one has,z not according to what one does not have.

13 Our desire is not that others might be relieved while you are hard pressed, but that there might be equality. 14 At the present time your plenty will supply what they need,a so that in turn their plenty will supply what you need. The goal is equality, 15 as it is written: “The one who gathered much did not have too much, and the one who gathered little did not have too little.”b b

Titus Sent to Receive the Collection

16 Thanks be to God,c who put into the heartd of Tituse the same concern I have for you. 17 For Titus not only welcomed our appeal, but he is coming to you with much enthusiasm and on his own initiative.f 18 And we are sending along with him the brotherg who is praised by all the churchesh for his service to the gospel.i 19 What is more, he was chosen by the churches to accompany usj as we carry the offering, which we administer in order to honor the Lord himself and to show our eagerness to help.k 20 We want to avoid any criticism of the way we administer this liberal gift. 21 For we are taking pains to do what is right, not only in the eyes of the Lord but also in the eyes of man.l

22 In addition, we are sending with them our brother who has often proved to us in many ways that he is zealous, and now even more so because of his great confidence in you. 23 As for Titus,m he is my partnern and co-workero among you; as for our brothers,p they are representatives of the churches and an honor to Christ. 24 Therefore show these men the proof of your love and the reason for our pride in you,q so that the churches can see it.

9 There is no needr for me to write to you about this services to the Lord’s people.t 2 For I know your eagerness to help,u and I have been boastingv about it to the Macedonians, telling them that since last yearw you in Achaiax were ready to give; and your enthusiasm has stirred most of them to action. 3 But I am sending the brothersy in order that our boasting about you in this matter should not prove hollow, but that you may be ready, as I said you would be.z 4 For if any Macedoniansa come with me and find you unprepared, we—not to say anything about you—would be ashamed of having been so confident. 5 So I thought it necessary to urge the brothersb to visit you in advance and finish the arrangements for the generous gift you had promised. Then it will be ready as a generous gift,c not as one grudgingly given.d

Generosity Encouraged

6 Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously.e 7 Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give,f not reluctantly or under compulsion,g for God loves a cheerful giver.h 8 And God is ablei to bless you abundantly, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need,j you will abound in every good work. 9 As it is written:

“They have freely scattered their giftsk to the poor;

their righteousness endures forever.”a l

10 Now he who supplies seed to the sower and bread for foodm will also supply and increase your store of seed and will enlarge the harvest of your righteousness.n 11 You will be enrichedo in every way so that you can be generousp on every occasion, and through us your generosity will result in thanksgiving to God.q

12 This service that you perform is not only supplying the needsr of the Lord’s people but is also overflowing in many expressions of thanks to God.s 13 Because of the servicet by which you have proved yourselves, others will praise Godu for the obedience that accompanies your confessionv of the gospel of Christ,w and for your generosityx in sharing with them and with everyone else. 14 And in their prayers for you their hearts will go out to you, because of the surpassing grace God has given you. 15 Thanks be to Gody for his indescribable gift!z

Romans 15:25-31

25 Now, however, I am on my way to Jerusalem in the service of the Lord’s people there. 26 For Macedonia and Achaia were pleased to make a contribution for the poor among the Lord’s people in Jerusalem. 27 They were pleased to do it, and indeed they owe it to them. For if the Gentiles have shared in the Jews’ spiritual blessings, they owe it to the Jews to share with them their material blessings. 28 So after I have completed this task and have made sure that they have received this contribution, I will go to Spain and visit you on the way. 29 I know that when I come to you, I will come in the full measure of the blessing of Christ.

30 I urge you, brothers and sisters, by our Lord Jesus Christ and by the love of the Spirit, to join me in my struggle by praying to God for me. 31 Pray that I may be kept safe from the unbelievers in Judea and that the contribution I take to Jerusalem may be favorably received by the Lord’s people there,

See? If the Gospels where a myth why is there so much excessive and mundane details?

You heard it here folks. The sheer amount of detail in the gospels proves conclusively that God sent his son, who was himself, to be killed and resurrected just so he could forgive everyone for their sins (even though he created them sinful to begin with).

God did not create man initially sinful, man lived in original innocence, however, free will came into play. If man only did good without possibility of evil he would be a robotic automaton not somebody who's love is precious and is earned. Free will is real it's very scientifically provable, Quantum physics state that Randomness is everywhere in the subatomic level, this coupled with Determinism in the larger scale makes Free will a case of combining Randomness with Determinism. Also, It is better for God to receive hard fought free-willed love with possibility of sin, than just accept robotic soulless perfection.

[San Kalungsod Saludong]

What about the bones of Saint Peter in the Vatican carbon dated to be from the Apostolic era? Not to mention, the characters in the crucifixion narrative are independently validated by Archeology?

For example the New York Times published about the 2000 Year Old Ring of Pontius Pilate.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/30/worl ... est%20Bank.

Not what you were arguing. Don't change the argument. To reiterate, you said: "If the Gospels where a myth why is there so much excessive and mundane details?"

Since you are now trying to decoy the subject away from that point after I blew it out of the water, I'm taking it as a nonverbal retraction of what you said.

The topic is about God not our bickering, notice how in my first post I said that "Why would the Apostles die for a lie?" And the bones of Saint Peter in the Vatican prove that they died there.

[The New California Republic]

Not what you were arguing. Don't change the argument. To reiterate, you said: "If the Gospels where a myth why is there so much excessive and mundane details?"

Since you are now trying to decoy the subject away from that point after I blew it out of the water, I'm taking it as a nonverbal retraction of what you said.

The topic is about God not our bickering, notice how in my first post I said that "Why would the Apostles die for a lie?" And the bones of Saint Peter in the Vatican prove that they died there.

And notice that it still doesn't address what we were talking about. Do you concede that something having excessive and mundane details does not make something true?

[San Kalungsod Saludong]

The topic is about God not our bickering, notice how in my first post I said that "Why would the Apostles die for a lie?" And the bones of Saint Peter in the Vatican prove that they died there.

And notice that it still doesn't address what we were talking about. Do you concede that something having excessive and mundane details does not make something true?

Only in certain cases. The detailness found in a Homerian epic and the detailness in an encyclopedia both qualify them as excessively detailed, but they possess different contexts.

[San Kalungsod Saludong]

Even CNN published scientific proof of the alleged veracity of the Gospel characters, take for example Saint Paul.

There are also the bones of the alleged St. Paul, preserved in another Roman basilica, which were subjected to carbon-14 testing in 2007 under Pope Benedict XVI and shown to come from the first century.

https://edition.cnn.com/2013/11/22/opin ... index.html

[The New California Republic]

And notice that it still doesn't address what we were talking about. Do you concede that something having excessive and mundane details does not make something true?

Only in certain cases. The detailness found in a Homerian epic and the detailness in an encyclopedia both qualify them as excessively detailed, but they possess different contexts.

So yes, you do concede that we cannot use the presence of excessive or mundane details as a reliable indicator of truthfulness because of the presence of a significant number of works of fiction that include the same thing. Good. We got there eventually.

[Wink Wonk We Like Stonks]

I expect you, as a Marxist, believe religion to be an opiate of the masses?

What's funny is that's a misuse of the quote, too. It means that the bourgeoisie manipulate organized religion to keep the masses down, not that religion is a foolish proposition.

The bourgeoisie ruin everything.

[San Kalungsod Saludong]

Only in certain cases. The detailness found in a Homerian epic and the detailness in an encyclopedia both qualify them as excessively detailed, but they possess different contexts.

So yes, you do concede that we cannot use the presence of excessive or mundane details as a reliable indicator of truthfulness because of the presence of a significant number of works of fiction that include the same thing. Good. We got there eventually.

Not really sometimes excessive or mundane details are part of "circumstantial evidence". I'm no expert but works of fiction have certain styles which is drastically different from works of historical accounts.

There's a book written about it called "Cold Case Christianity" wherein a forensic detective using criteria he uses for solving cold case crime, arrived upon the veracity of the Gospels via a literary analysis.

https://www.amazon.com/Cold-Case-Christ ... B00A71Y7I8

[Wink Wonk We Like Stonks]

God exists as love.

The flying spaghetti monster exists as love.

Dunno why people keep misspelling Shrek.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Even CNN published scientific proof of the alleged veracity of the Gospel characters, take for example Saint Paul.

There are also the bones of the alleged St. Paul, preserved in another Roman basilica, which were subjected to carbon-14 testing in 2007 under Pope Benedict XVI and shown to come from the first century.

https://edition.cnn.com/2013/11/22/opin ... index.html

There are probably a fair few bones knocking around from the first century. That doesn't prove they belong to St Paul. It was an industry manufacturing fake relics in the Catholic Church. They created income.

[The New California Republic]

So yes, you do concede that we cannot use the presence of excessive or mundane details as a reliable indicator of truthfulness because of the presence of a significant number of works of fiction that include the same thing. Good. We got there eventually.

Not really sometimes excessive or mundane details are part of "circumstantial evidence".

No it isn't really. Excessive or mundane details offers nothing in terms of evidence, to the extent that it isn't even circumstantial evidence. If it was the case, the vivid descriptions of Hogwarts that go into excessive or mundane details would count as circumstantial evidence that it exists.

I'm no expert but works of fiction have certain styles which is drastically different from works of historical accounts.

No not really.

[Salandriagado]

The evidence point in the direction of intelligent design and

You are absolutely and completely, unambiguously wrong. The evidence is entirely and completely against the utter joke that is "intelligent design".

if you don’t think there is any proof are you so sure that you are right that you are willing to rush spending a eternity in hell

I'm about as sure as you are that you're willing to rush missing your chance at valhalla.

[Wink Wonk We Like Stonks]

God is not just the feeling of love, but at the bare minimum he is. However, in his totality, God exists as so much more. Love exists as so much more.

Being aware of some disturbing yandere stories, this statement rubbed me on the wrong direction.

Plot twist: God is actually just a yandere school girl stalking you and the rest of the human race.

[Salandriagado]

The concept of Hell is part of the reason I'm not religious, even though logically Pascal's Wager does make sense- even if God is real, if it's willing to condemn me to an eternity of punishment for not worshipping, then it's hardly an entity worth of worship in my view.

That doesn't make sense to me at all. If an omnipotent entity that created the universe exists, then doesn't it stand to reason that that entity is also the authority for absolute morality? If they said it was good and just to do the floss 24/7 then it wouldn't be up for debate, it would just be.

Nope. Might does not make right, no matter how much might you've got.