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Do you believe in a God or gods?

Yes
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34%
No
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Maybe
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4%
We can't know
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We can't know, but leaning yes
30
8%
We can't know, but leaning no
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Other
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The North America Union
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Postby The North America Union » Sat Aug 29, 2020 12:43 pm

I don't think you have to be a part of a certain church or religion to feel a larger power. This thought of a larger power may mean something different to every person, and that should be respected.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sat Aug 29, 2020 12:43 pm

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What if this is a computer game created in the real world and we are in the video game? It would explain why everything is so damn chaotic in this world.

God is just playing the Sims


Not even God. There's people in the real world playing, idk, Days of Confusion or Olympus has Fallen or whatever the game is called and we are their avatars in the game, their characters. It's a dystopian future game created in 1999 in the real world and this is the fictional universe in the game. Like that.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Sat Aug 29, 2020 12:46 pm

The republic ofTexas and northern Mexico wrote:The evidence point in the direction of intelligent design and if you don’t think there is any proof are you so sure that you are right that you are willing to rush spending a eternity in hell

Things that have actual evidence behind them don't need to resort to threats.
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Postby State of Turelisa » Sat Aug 29, 2020 12:47 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Latvijas Otra Republika wrote:You ever see how particles of dust just float and drift when they’re hit by the sun, what if we’re just that but on a cosmic dark scale


So God brings us to life?


Yes. The Bible reveals the Holy Spirit formed Mankind from the dust and breathed life into it. The Holy Spirit also resurrected the dead Son, and will bring back to life the souls of the Elect and the reprobate which sleep after the death of their bodies awaiting judgment, eternal life or eternal damnation.
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Postby Valentine Z » Sat Aug 29, 2020 12:50 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Disgraces wrote:God is just playing the Sims


Not even God. There's people in the real world playing, idk, Days of Confusion or Olympus has Fallen or whatever the game is called and we are their avatars in the game, their characters. It's a dystopian future game created in 1999 in the real world and this is the fictional universe in the game. Like that.

That explains why I forgot certain things or I forgot why I am in the kitchen.

It's canon. We are in a simulation and there's someone playing as me. Someone playing as me, writing roleplays about a fictional nation.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Sat Aug 29, 2020 12:52 pm

Valentine Z wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Not even God. There's people in the real world playing, idk, Days of Confusion or Olympus has Fallen or whatever the game is called and we are their avatars in the game, their characters. It's a dystopian future game created in 1999 in the real world and this is the fictional universe in the game. Like that.

That explains why I forgot certain things or I forgot why I am in the kitchen.

It's canon. We are in a simulation and there's someone playing as me. Someone playing as me, writing roleplays about a fictional nation.

And thinking they're super-clever for breaking the 4th wall just now.

Truly, this is hell.
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Postby Rost Dreadnorramus » Sat Aug 29, 2020 12:56 pm

If my life and all that I've learned and experienced is anything to go off of, then I for one am confident in saying yes there is an all powerful, all knowing, all loving God that created the Universe and everything in it.
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Postby Disgraces » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:00 pm

Scherzinger wrote:there is no god. period.

Very useful argument.
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Postby Middle Barael » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:02 pm

The North America Union wrote:I don't think you have to be a part of a certain church or religion to feel a larger power. This thought of a larger power may mean something different to every person, and that should be respected.

Agreed. And even those who do not believe in god can still feel some sort of “purpose” or “essence” or “oneness”. Just like religion isn’t necessary to be moral, nor is it necessary to feel this sense of existence and purpose.

The republic ofTexas and northern Mexico wrote:The evidence point in the direction of intelligent design and if you don’t think there is any proof are you so sure that you are right that you are willing to rush spending a eternity in hell

To be brutally frank, a god who will punish nonbelievers with an eternity in hell simply for having different opinions is not a god I would want to believe in.
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Postby Jolthig » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:04 pm

you had to do it again, didn't you Gen. ;)

In summary: Yes I believe in the same God who sent our Beloved Muhammad (peace & blessings of Allah be upin him), and his follower, the Messiah, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian (peace be on him) to bring to the world, Islam, and the worship of one God.

I'll bring a more detailed argument later. God-willing.
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Postby Katganistan » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:11 pm

Geneviev wrote:In the last week or so, I have been wondering about this question. The most common evidence given for the Christian God can also be used to support the existence of other gods and the truth of other religions, or it seems to rely on fallacies. Pascal's wager doesn't acknowledge the possibility of other gods, evolution seems to disprove an intelligent designer, and so on. That seems to indicate that there is no real evidence for God. Instead, it's possible that belief in God requires having faith with no evidence at all, and potentially evidence that contradicts his existence entirely. So why should we believe in God, NSG? Is there any better evidence that I don't know?

In my opinion, I believe in the Christian God but I believe that there is no way to prove his existence and don't know why I believe in him anymore. So, what say you, NSG?

There is no proof, there is only faith.

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Postby Nuroblav » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:13 pm

The republic ofTexas and northern Mexico wrote:The evidence point in the direction of intelligent design and if you don’t think there is any proof are you so sure that you are right that you are willing to rush spending a eternity in hell

Ah yes, because someone with a different opinion deserves to suffer horribly.

I'm sorry, no. Nobody deserves to be treated like shit for not having a religion.
The North America Union wrote:I don't think you have to be a part of a certain church or religion to feel a larger power. This thought of a larger power may mean something different to every person, and that should be respected.

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Postby Aureumterra » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:28 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:Most people close to me have had their prayers answered at some point or another

Interesting story, one of my close friends was a passionate atheist, until things in his life started going terrible. I suggested he comes to Church, and pray there, and since he had hit rock bottom, he was basically like "Meh nothing to lose anyways, may as well go"

On that day his entire life turned around, he is now deeply religious

Of course I can’t provide any evidence more than an anecdote, but my faith in a higher power has been solidified


With billions of people out there, coincidences happen all the time. If they were happening more often to people who go to church, we'd have noticed in the statistics. We do not see such a pattern, and such it does not exist.

I know that, I also am open to the possibility that everything is a perfectly aligned coincidence, but having God speak to me solidified my faith in him, and his answers to my prayers.
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Postby Jabberwocky » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:30 pm

God exists if you want it to.
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Postby Senkaku » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:31 pm

Geneviev wrote:So why should we believe in God, NSG? Is there any better evidence that I don't know?

In my opinion, I believe in the Christian God but I believe that there is no way to prove his existence and don't know why I believe in him anymore. So, what say you, NSG?

If you want to believe, believe. You're not missing something here, it's really just a question of what you want to choose to think.

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Salandriagado wrote:
With billions of people out there, coincidences happen all the time. If they were happening more often to people who go to church, we'd have noticed in the statistics. We do not see such a pattern, and such it does not exist.

I know that, I also am open to the possibility that everything is a perfectly aligned coincidence, but having God speak to me solidified my faith in him, and his answers to my prayers.

God spoke to you, or did you just do some healthy introspection and come to an important realization?

I mean, maybe God did put the thought in your head, but it's also possible for people to arrive at important realizations in their life without divine intervention. Again, it just boils down to whether you want to believe or not.
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Postby Kiu Ghesik » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:34 pm

Scherzinger wrote:there is no god. period.

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Postby Geneviev » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:37 pm

The republic ofTexas and northern Mexico wrote:The evidence point in the direction of intelligent design and if you don’t think there is any proof are you so sure that you are right that you are willing to rush spending a eternity in hell

I have not seen that evidence. I believed it once, but there is a reason for this thread. It's not good evidence and it's directly contradicted by science.

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The republic ofTexas and northern Mexico wrote:The evidence point in the direction of intelligent design and if you don’t think there is any proof are you so sure that you are right that you are willing to rush spending a eternity in hell

Ah yes, because someone with a different opinion deserves to suffer horribly.

I'm sorry, no. Nobody deserves to be treated like shit for not having a religion.

That's not really what they were saying. As I read it, this person is trying to be helpful.
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Postby Sundiata » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:38 pm

Geneviev wrote:So, what say you, NSG?

Yes, lucky for us, there is a God.
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Postby Senkaku » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:39 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Nuroblav wrote:Ah yes, because someone with a different opinion deserves to suffer horribly.

I'm sorry, no. Nobody deserves to be treated like shit for not having a religion.

That's not really what they were saying. As I read it, this person is trying to be helpful.

The concept of Hell is part of the reason I'm not religious, even though logically Pascal's Wager does make sense- even if God is real, if it's willing to condemn me to an eternity of punishment for not worshipping, then it's hardly an entity worth of worship in my view.
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Postby Sundiata » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:42 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Geneviev wrote:

That's not really what they were saying. As I read it, this person is trying to be helpful.

The concept of Hell is part of the reason I'm not religious, even though logically Pascal's Wager does make sense- even if God is real, if it's willing to condemn me to an eternity of punishment for not worshipping, then it's hardly an entity worth of worship in my view.

Hell is not a place you go, it is simply the absence of God's love.
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Postby Senkaku » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:44 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Senkaku wrote:The concept of Hell is part of the reason I'm not religious, even though logically Pascal's Wager does make sense- even if God is real, if it's willing to condemn me to an eternity of punishment for not worshipping, then it's hardly an entity worth of worship in my view.

Hell is not a place you go, it is simply the absence of God's love.

That's certainly one interpretation. Plenty of people do seem to believe it's a place you go, though.
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Postby Kiu Ghesik » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:44 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Geneviev wrote:

That's not really what they were saying. As I read it, this person is trying to be helpful.

The concept of Hell is part of the reason I'm not religious, even though logically Pascal's Wager does make sense- even if God is real, if it's willing to condemn me to an eternity of punishment for not worshipping, then it's hardly an entity worth of worship in my view.

That doesn't make sense to me at all. If an omnipotent entity that created the universe exists, then doesn't it stand to reason that that entity is also the authority for absolute morality? If they said it was good and just to do the floss 24/7 then it wouldn't be up for debate, it would just be.
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Postby The republic ofTexas and northern Mexico » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:45 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Geneviev wrote:

That's not really what they were saying. As I read it, this person is trying to be helpful.

The concept of Hell is part of the reason I'm not religious, even though logically Pascal's Wager does make sense- even if God is real, if it's willing to condemn me to an eternity of punishment for not worshipping, then it's hardly an entity worth of worship in my view.

God doesn’t send you there it is a choice you make to go there if you refuse God. Hell was never made for humans it had been made for satan and the demons. God doesn’t want one person to go to hell
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Postby Neanderthaland » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:50 pm

The republic ofTexas and northern Mexico wrote:
Senkaku wrote:The concept of Hell is part of the reason I'm not religious, even though logically Pascal's Wager does make sense- even if God is real, if it's willing to condemn me to an eternity of punishment for not worshipping, then it's hardly an entity worth of worship in my view.

God doesn’t send you there it is a choice you make to go there if you refuse God. Hell was never made for humans it had been made for satan and the demons. God doesn’t want one person to go to hell

Then why is anyone there? It's not like anyone would choose to go there. I'd rather just wait outside heaven. Or, you know what? Maui. Maui is nice.
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