Is there a God?

[Federative States of America]

Lol of course there’s a God

[Albrenia]

Actually no, the best explanation is that the universe came into being through some process we don't fully understand. Adding a creator is adding an extra layer that has to be explained. Everything has to be explained.

But could we argue that it is simpler to say someone or something created it (and try to explain how they/it was created) rather than "it is a process we don't understand?".

I mean, the choices are "it was always here by processes we don't understand" or "it was created by processes we don't understand".

[Sanghyeok]

But could we argue that it is simpler to say someone or something created it (and try to explain how they/it was created) rather than "it is a process we don't understand?".

I mean, the choices are "it was always here by processes we don't understand" or "it was created by processes we don't understand".

Farnharnia argues that if we have a creator, then the creator's existence must be explained- true. However, I don't think there is an "extra layer" there because the explanation goes from "what process created it" to "what created the creator."

[Borderlands of Rojava]

What if God hates us all?

Maybe Slayer was right

[Sanghyeok]

What if God hates us all?

Maybe Slayer was right

I don't doubt it. Why else hasn't Posadas come back?

[Farnhamia]

I mean, the choices are "it was always here by processes we don't understand" or "it was created by processes we don't understand".

Farnharnia argues that if we have a creator, then the creator's existence must be explained- true. However, I don't think there is an "extra layer" there because the explanation goes from "what process created it" to "what created the creator."

Adding a creator adds complication, especially when attempts to analyze the creator are met with "[The creator] can't be understood by mere mortals." My friend Brother William of Occam said that, Isaac Newton and Bertrand Russell did, too.

[Sanghyeok]

Farnharnia argues that if we have a creator, then the creator's existence must be explained- true. However, I don't think there is an "extra layer" there because the explanation goes from "what process created it" to "what created the creator."

Adding a creator adds complication, especially when attempts to analyze the creator are met with "[The creator] can't be understood by mere mortals." My friend Brother William of Occam said that, Isaac Newton and Bertrand Russell did, too.

I may be wrong, but can't we say that the two are simply shifting the lack of explanation between the creator and the process of creation/existence? If we argue that there is only a process without a creator, then we cannot explain the process, yet we can claim clearly there is no creator. But if we say that there is a creator, the process of creation becomes easier, yet the issue of the where the creator comes from is an issue. So, doesn't that mean the two are equally difficult to explain?

[Farnhamia]

Adding a creator adds complication, especially when attempts to analyze the creator are met with "[The creator] can't be understood by mere mortals." My friend Brother William of Occam said that, Isaac Newton and Bertrand Russell did, too.

I may be wrong, but can't we say that the two are simply shifting the lack of explanation between the creator and the process of creation/existence? If we argue that there is only a process without a creator, then we cannot explain the process, yet we can claim clearly there is no creator. But if we say that there is a creator, the process of creation becomes easier, yet the issue of the where the creator comes from is an issue. So, doesn't that mean the two are equally difficult to explain?

No, because you now have to explain why the universe works the way it does and the nature of the creator. Besides, "God did it" as an explanation for everything we don't understand is the lazy person's way out.

[Sanghyeok]

I may be wrong, but can't we say that the two are simply shifting the lack of explanation between the creator and the process of creation/existence? If we argue that there is only a process without a creator, then we cannot explain the process, yet we can claim clearly there is no creator. But if we say that there is a creator, the process of creation becomes easier, yet the issue of the where the creator comes from is an issue. So, doesn't that mean the two are equally difficult to explain?

No, because you now have to explain why the universe works the way it does and the nature of the creator. Besides, "God did it" as an explanation for everything we don't understand is the lazy person's way out.

A very good thing I'm not a theologian then. I'll leave this to Geneviev, since I think they understand it better.

[Nevertopia]

In the last week or so, I have been wondering about this question. The most common evidence given for the Christian God can also be used to support the existence of other gods and the truth of other religions, or it seems to rely on fallacies. Pascal's wager doesn't acknowledge the possibility of other gods, evolution seems to disprove an intelligent designer, and so on. That seems to indicate that there is no real evidence for God. Instead, it's possible that belief in God requires having faith with no evidence at all, and potentially evidence that contradicts his existence entirely. So why should we believe in God, NSG? Is there any better evidence that I don't know?

In my opinion, I believe in the Christian God but I believe that there is no way to prove his existence and don't know why I believe in him anymore. So, what say you, NSG?

i dont know for sure if there is a god, but I know for sure there is a devil.

[Neutraligon]

Actually no, the best explanation is that the universe came into being through some process we don't fully understand. Adding a creator is adding an extra layer that has to be explained. Everything has to be explained.

But could we argue that it is simpler to say someone or something created it (and try to explain how they/it was created) rather than "it is a process we don't understand?".

I don't know requires far fewer assumptions then someone created it.

[Greater Miami Shores]

The universe, I suppose, must have come from somewhere. And the best explanation is that it was created- by someone, something, or a process we don't know of- at least I think.

Actually no, the best explanation is that the universe came into being through some process we don't fully understand. Adding a creator is adding an extra layer that has to be explained. Everything has to be explained.

As you all know by now, I believe in God and Spirits, Ghosts if you prefer. I have posted about it a few times in details.

[Punished UMN]

I may be wrong, but can't we say that the two are simply shifting the lack of explanation between the creator and the process of creation/existence? If we argue that there is only a process without a creator, then we cannot explain the process, yet we can claim clearly there is no creator. But if we say that there is a creator, the process of creation becomes easier, yet the issue of the where the creator comes from is an issue. So, doesn't that mean the two are equally difficult to explain?

No, because you now have to explain why the universe works the way it does and the nature of the creator. Besides, "God did it" as an explanation for everything we don't understand is the lazy person's way out.

Plotinus already did explain the latter though. Moreover, if it is a process we don't understand, you still have to explain said process because said process must predate the existence of the universe.

[Glen Ellyn]

Look, I think we can agree that this topic is extremely complicated. However, I believe God exists because it just makes sense. I don’t know everything about God, I never will. Yet I know, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that he loves me infinitely, and he loves you infinitely, he loves us all infinitely. I have experienced him personally, and I believe you can too. If you doubt his existence or love for you, read the Bible, pray, talk with Christian friends and family, listen to God’s messengers (like Rev Billy Graham) and seek the LORD honestly, and fervently. You will find him! Now may the peace of Christ be upon you as you venture into this dark and lonely world!

[Nuroblav]

What if God hates us all?

Maybe Slayer was right

That outro though...

Look, I think we can agree that this topic is extremely complicated. However, I believe God exists because it just makes sense. I don’t know everything about God, I never will. Yet I know, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that he loves me infinitely, and he loves you infinitely, he loves us all infinitely. I have experienced him personally, and I believe you can too. If you doubt his existence or love for you, read the Bible, pray, talk with Christian friends and family, listen to God’s messengers (like Rev Billy Graham) and seek the LORD honestly, and fervently. You will find him! Now may the peace of Christ be upon you as you venture into this dark and lonely world!

I don't know...the idea of one in the Abrahamic sense is not one that makes sense to me - the idea of someone who is somehow a leader and pinnacle of all morality just because they happen to be there. It's not a tangible concept to me and brings way too many questions to mind. See, the thing is that even the love part doesn't feel definite to me. Nothing does. I'm not putting myself through something that lacks definitiveness to me, no matter how lovely of a concept it seems.

That being said, I have found a path that suits me more, and hope that's the same. If that's the path you wish to take, then that's fine. Good luck!

[Geneviev]

No, because you now have to explain why the universe works the way it does and the nature of the creator. Besides, "God did it" as an explanation for everything we don't understand is the lazy person's way out.

A very good thing I'm not a theologian then. I'll leave this to Geneviev, since I think they understand it better.

Who, me? I understand nothing and I make that very clear, I hope.

Look, I think we can agree that this topic is extremely complicated. However, I believe God exists because it just makes sense. I don’t know everything about God, I never will. Yet I know, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that he loves me infinitely, and he loves you infinitely, he loves us all infinitely. I have experienced him personally, and I believe you can too. If you doubt his existence or love for you, read the Bible, pray, talk with Christian friends and family, listen to God’s messengers (like Rev Billy Graham) and seek the LORD honestly, and fervently. You will find him! Now may the peace of Christ be upon you as you venture into this dark and lonely world!

Billy Graham is excellent, yes. I wouldn't go so far as to call him God's messenger though.

[Peoshammen]

Look, I think we can agree that this topic is extremely complicated. However, I believe God exists because it just makes sense. I don’t know everything about God, I never will. Yet I know, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that he loves me infinitely, and he loves you infinitely, he loves us all infinitely. I have experienced him personally, and I believe you can too. If you doubt his existence or love for you, read the Bible, pray, talk with Christian friends and family, listen to God’s messengers (like Rev Billy Graham) and seek the LORD honestly, and fervently. You will find him! Now may the peace of Christ be upon you as you venture into this dark and lonely world!

Then can you answer me why people of other faiths such as Hinduism, which believes in completely different gods, can also claim to have had personal experiences with what they believe in? I'm not trying to disparage your beliefs/experiences, nor try to turn you away from your faith, but I just don't know how people of different faiths can all say that they have personally experienced god? Also, will I find other gods if I do what you said to do with other religions?

[Insaanistan]

Look, I think we can agree that this topic is extremely complicated. However, I believe God exists because it just makes sense. I don’t know everything about God, I never will. Yet I know, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that he loves me infinitely, and he loves you infinitely, he loves us all infinitely. I have experienced him personally, and I believe you can too. If you doubt his existence or love for you, read the Bible, pray, talk with Christian friends and family, listen to God’s messengers (like Rev Billy Graham) and seek the LORD honestly, and fervently. You will find him! Now may the peace of Christ be upon you as you venture into this dark and lonely world!

Then can you answer me why people of other faiths such as Hinduism, which believes in completely different gods, can also claim to have had personal experiences with what they believe in? I'm not trying to disparage your beliefs/experiences, nor try to turn you away from your faith, but I just don't know how people of different faiths can all say that they have personally experienced god? Also, will I find other gods if I do what you said to do with other religions?

Islam says that there is one God worshipped in many faiths.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Islam says that there is one God worshipped in many faiths.

An egocentric presupposition that no doubt the Alpha Centaurii will "appreciate".

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Actually no, the best explanation is that the universe came into being through some process we don't fully understand. Adding a creator is adding an extra layer that has to be explained. Everything has to be explained.

But could we argue that it is simpler to say someone or something created it (and try to explain how they/it was created) rather than "it is a process we don't understand?".

Occam's razor, which posits that the simplest reasonable explanation is the most likely, favours "natural processes we don't understand." Because "God did it" raises a lot of complex questions and is arguable an unreasonable position to begin with.

[Neutraligon]

No, because you now have to explain why the universe works the way it does and the nature of the creator. Besides, "God did it" as an explanation for everything we don't understand is the lazy person's way out.

Plotinus already did explain the latter though. Moreover, if it is a process we don't understand, you still have to explain said process because said process must predate the existence of the universe.

Since time might have"started" with the expansion of the universe to say something proceeds it is nonsensical.

[Sanghyeok]

A very good thing I'm not a theologian then. I'll leave this to Geneviev, since I think they understand it better.

Who, me? I understand nothing and I make that very clear, I hope.

You understand it better than I do, at least.

[Geneviev]

Who, me? I understand nothing and I make that very clear, I hope.

You understand it better than I do, at least.

To the degree that I made it all up myself, sure. But I definitely don't understand much.

[Atheara]

Yes. But we don't know for sure which God. As a Muslim Allah is always there for us but i start to believe that each Religion has their own God for a fact. Im no expert in any of this but this is only a matter of Opinion.

[Suriyanakhon]

Look, I think we can agree that this topic is extremely complicated. However, I believe God exists because it just makes sense. I don’t know everything about God, I never will. Yet I know, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that he loves me infinitely, and he loves you infinitely, he loves us all infinitely. I have experienced him personally, and I believe you can too. If you doubt his existence or love for you, read the Bible, pray, talk with Christian friends and family, listen to God’s messengers (like Rev Billy Graham) and seek the LORD honestly, and fervently. You will find him! Now may the peace of Christ be upon you as you venture into this dark and lonely world!

If there was a God who infinitely loved mankind then he could have created a world where human beings and animals are much more at ease, but instead he created a cruel one where there's an unending cycle of violence. Further claim to know God have never been convincing because anyone from a religious tradition has had experiences that confirmed their religion to them.