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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:33 am

San Lumen wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Malevolent self-aware AI’s like Skynet and Zero-One hardly seems very likely.

Once you get self awareness you are in uncharted waters

Nobody is doing that though
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Postby New yugoslavaia » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:33 am

Geneviev wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Why would it be the mark?

It will be used to control people even if that isn't the purpose now. Technology can be hacked.


1. It might (even if the possibility is high).
2. That doesn't make it the mark of the beast. The evil would be coming from corrupt corporations and/or governments, not a near-omnipotent extra dimensional entity.
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Postby Valrifell » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:33 am

Andsed wrote:I am cautious of this. IF (and that is a big if) it could do what it is saying, then I think it should be looked into. But I would reserve it for those it is necessary for. Also I would want it to be done by someone who is not Elon Musk because I do not trust him.


I don't trust Elon Musk to finish his latest very crazy project, but I think having an implant to speed up the thinky think would be pretty neat.
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Postby Andsed » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:35 am

Valrifell wrote:
Andsed wrote:I am cautious of this. IF (and that is a big if) it could do what it is saying, then I think it should be looked into. But I would reserve it for those it is necessary for. Also I would want it to be done by someone who is not Elon Musk because I do not trust him.


I don't trust Elon Musk to finish his latest very crazy project, but I think having an implant to speed up the thinky think would be pretty neat.

It definitely would. I would just want these chips to come with some serious safety measures and strict regulations to deal with any privacy concerns.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:38 am

San Lumen wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Malevolent self-aware AI’s like Skynet and Zero-One hardly seems very likely.

Once you get self awareness you are in uncharted waters

We would have to actually develop something capable of achieving self-awareness first,
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:38 am

Valrifell wrote:
Andsed wrote:I am cautious of this. IF (and that is a big if) it could do what it is saying, then I think it should be looked into. But I would reserve it for those it is necessary for. Also I would want it to be done by someone who is not Elon Musk because I do not trust him.


I don't trust Elon Musk to finish his latest very crazy project, but I think having an implant to speed up the thinky think would be pretty neat.

I don’t. I’m not very excited about all of this
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:38 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Once you get self awareness you are in uncharted waters

We would have to actually develop something capable of achieving self-awareness first,


We seem to be well on our way to it

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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:40 am

San Lumen wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:We would have to actually develop something capable of achieving self-awareness first,


We seem to be well on our way to it

We really aren’t
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:40 am

Valrifell wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Malevolent self-aware AI’s like Skynet and Zero-One hardly seems very likely.


There's not even research pressure towards self-aware AI.

People only want an artificial intelligence to solve very complicated but also niche problems for them. Why would a physicist concerned with cosmology waste precious AI resources on a machine that's also a great conversationalist? Specialization saves us again!

And also why anyone would waste so much effort and resources on developing not only an AI, but one capable of self-awareness, to put in control of nuclear weapons would also be beyond me.
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Postby Valrifell » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:40 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
I don't trust Elon Musk to finish his latest very crazy project, but I think having an implant to speed up the thinky think would be pretty neat.

I don’t. I’m not very excited about all of this


Don't get me wrong, I am absolutely not thrilled with Wi-Fi compatibility with these hypothetical chips, everything else sounds neat though!
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:40 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
There's not even research pressure towards self-aware AI.

People only want an artificial intelligence to solve very complicated but also niche problems for them. Why would a physicist concerned with cosmology waste precious AI resources on a machine that's also a great conversationalist? Specialization saves us again!

And also why anyone would waste so much effort and resources on developing not only an AI, but one capable of self-awareness, to put in control of nuclear weapons would also be beyond me.

People do stupid things

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:41 am

San Lumen wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:We would have to actually develop something capable of achieving self-awareness first,


We seem to be well on our way to it

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Postby Valrifell » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:41 am

San Lumen wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:And also why anyone would waste so much effort and resources on developing not only an AI, but one capable of self-awareness, to put in control of nuclear weapons would also be beyond me.

People do stupid things


But there's not even an incentive to do that, literally all bad outcomes for that decision.
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Postby Rio Cana » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:42 am

We all know this will be for those that can afford it and are considered to be part of a certain class of society. Thus, there will be two sets of people in the future. Those connected and thus live well and those that are unconnected and that just survive.

Kind of like that sliders episode "Networth" season 4 where people who cannot live without tech. live separated from the non-tech. people who cannot even enter tech. sections of town.

The following explains it some what - https://earthprime.com/episode-guide/net-worth
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:42 am

Valrifell wrote:
San Lumen wrote:People do stupid things


But there's not even an incentive to do that, literally all bad outcomes for that decision.

Yet that doesnt seem to be stopping scientists from trying to develop the T-1000

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:44 am

San Lumen wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
But there's not even an incentive to do that, literally all bad outcomes for that decision.

Yet that doesnt seem to be stopping scientists from trying to develop the T-1000

Absolutely no one is trying to develop the T-1000.
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Postby Andsed » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:45 am

San Lumen wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
But there's not even an incentive to do that, literally all bad outcomes for that decision.

Yet that doesnt seem to be stopping scientists from trying to develop the T-1000

Who the fuck is trying to develop the T-1000?
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:45 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Yet that doesnt seem to be stopping scientists from trying to develop the T-1000

Absolutely no one is trying to develop the T-1000.

https://artselectronic.wordpress.com/20 ... uid-metal/

You sure about that?

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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:46 am

San Lumen wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:And also why anyone would waste so much effort and resources on developing not only an AI, but one capable of self-awareness, to put in control of nuclear weapons would also be beyond me.

People do stupid things

Dude our entire nuclear arsenal is being run on 1980s computer tech. It hasn’t changed since it was installed. The entire system is designed with as many failsafes as physically possible. Giving AI control of the system would be impossible because the computers are linked to anything and would go against the entire failsafe idea
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:47 am

San Lumen wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Absolutely no one is trying to develop the T-1000.

https://artselectronic.wordpress.com/20 ... uid-metal/

You sure about that?

The existence and tinkering with liquid metal =/= the T-1000 is in active development towards it being real. That’d be like saying the existence and development of titanium-steel alloys is literally someone developing the T-800 endo.
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Postby Valrifell » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:47 am

San Lumen wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Absolutely no one is trying to develop the T-1000.

https://artselectronic.wordpress.com/20 ... uid-metal/

You sure about that?


First of all, programmable matter is very cool so thank you for sharing.

Second of all this isn't even close to the T-1000 nor is it even related to the field of AI research or robotics.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:48 am

San Lumen wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Absolutely no one is trying to develop the T-1000.

https://artselectronic.wordpress.com/20 ... uid-metal/

You sure about that?

They literally say it’s a long long way off to making 3D shapes and even then it was made with human input and not AI
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Postby Andsed » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:48 am

San Lumen wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Absolutely no one is trying to develop the T-1000.

https://artselectronic.wordpress.com/20 ... uid-metal/

You sure about that?

That is just tinkering with liquid metal. Just because it was inspired by the T-1000 does not mean their trying to invent something like that.
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Postby Salandriagado » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:49 am

Geneviev wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Why would it be the mark?

It will be used to control people even if that isn't the purpose now. Technology can be hacked.


You say that as if a great many people haven't already been walking around with technology embedded in their bodies for years.
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Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
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