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Given a choice, would you use this kind of product?

Yes
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Latvijas Otra Republika
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Postby Latvijas Otra Republika » Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:25 am

I’d rather have multiple lead fragments enter my brain than a corporate or government chip, ain’t no one stopping nature or touching my brain

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Postby New yugoslavaia » Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:27 am

For the poll, a third option should be added.

"Yes, depending on who is supplying the chip."
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:30 am

Page wrote:I would be open to using this kind of technology but not in the capitalist and authoritarian society we live in. Once we accomplish a resource based economy and rid society of tyrants there will be a good opportunity to use this tech. But definitely not when it's made by capitalists and used to advance the state's interests.


The post below yours shows why we have to allow capitalists to build these devices. And with regulation, try to keep control of them in the public domain (with open source software).

If we don't, the capitalists will sell it to the military instead. We must not allow this to become the new Nuclear, with civilian applications always tainted by the military origins.

You can't ban technology. You can only opt out, so please don't opt all the people out of it, until we've talked it over and held a vote!
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Postby Nevertopia » Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:32 am

Im gonna need citations and academically vetted articles on your research Mr. Musk. :roll:
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:44 am

Remember when Elon Musk was going to turn the Earth's crust into a honeycomb of hyperloops, changing personal transportation forever? Remember when he was going to fix Flint's water? Remember when he was bragging about how his cybertruck was bullet resistant but then smashed the windows easily? I would sooner trust my health to someone in the streets claiming to be a wizard than this overhyped buffoon who has fallen for his own con.


An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:AI is an existential threat. This is a threat to freedom.

It's also on a par with Edison electrocuting an elephant for publicity.

What does this have to do with AI?
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New yugoslavaia
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Postby New yugoslavaia » Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:47 am

Ifreann wrote:Remember when Elon Musk was going to turn the Earth's crust into a honeycomb of hyperloops, changing personal transportation forever? Remember when he was going to fix Flint's water? Remember when he was bragging about how his cybertruck was bullet resistant but then smashed the windows easily? I would sooner trust my health to someone in the streets claiming to be a wizard than this overhyped buffoon who has fallen for his own con.


An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:AI is an existential threat. This is a threat to freedom.

It's also on a par with Edison electrocuting an elephant for publicity.

What does this have to do with AI?


They're probably a technophobe.
Either that or they're a big fan of the Terminator franchise.
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How the hell did this happen?
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An Alan Smithee Nation
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:48 am

Ifreann wrote:Remember when Elon Musk was going to turn the Earth's crust into a honeycomb of hyperloops, changing personal transportation forever? Remember when he was going to fix Flint's water? Remember when he was bragging about how his cybertruck was bullet resistant but then smashed the windows easily? I would sooner trust my health to someone in the streets claiming to be a wizard than this overhyped buffoon who has fallen for his own con.


An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:AI is an existential threat. This is a threat to freedom.

It's also on a par with Edison electrocuting an elephant for publicity.

What does this have to do with AI?


Just referencing the part of the OP that mentions Musk's belief that AI is an existential threat.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:50 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Remember when Elon Musk was going to turn the Earth's crust into a honeycomb of hyperloops, changing personal transportation forever? Remember when he was going to fix Flint's water? Remember when he was bragging about how his cybertruck was bullet resistant but then smashed the windows easily? I would sooner trust my health to someone in the streets claiming to be a wizard than this overhyped buffoon who has fallen for his own con.



What does this have to do with AI?


Just referencing the part of the OP that mentions Musk's belief that AI is an existential threat.

Ah, gotcha.
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Postby New yugoslavaia » Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:50 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Remember when Elon Musk was going to turn the Earth's crust into a honeycomb of hyperloops, changing personal transportation forever? Remember when he was going to fix Flint's water? Remember when he was bragging about how his cybertruck was bullet resistant but then smashed the windows easily? I would sooner trust my health to someone in the streets claiming to be a wizard than this overhyped buffoon who has fallen for his own con.



What does this have to do with AI?


Just referencing the part of the OP that mentions Musk's belief that AI is an existential threat.


Oh, that makes sense.
Guess I should take back that claim of you being a technophobe.
AI could end up killing us all...or it could end up helping us. We just have to avoid giving it too much free will.
Yugoslavia's back baby...

How the hell did this happen?
Well...we don't actually know. Sure, there's factbooks and stuff, but they don't really matter because the owner of this account is a lazy, unproductive, indecisive loser who may or may not have a thing for half human hybrids, big mechs and even bigger ships.
Is it a reunited Yugoslavia in the 21st century? Is a rebel colony world in the far future? Who knows, who cares?
New Yugoslavia just is.

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Postby State of Turelisa » Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:50 am

Transhumanism is one of the greatest threats to Mankind. It's a misuse of reason by Man seeking to advance his autonomy by striving to place the laws of nature within it.

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Postby Ifreann » Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:52 am

State of Turelisa wrote:Transhumanism is one of the greatest threats to Mankind. It's a misuse of reason by Man seeking to advance his autonomy by striving to place the laws of nature within it.

Transhumanism is fine, it's rich idiots thinking they're comic book geniuses that's the problem.
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You've got a lonesome road to walk, and it ain't along the railroad track, and it ain't along the black-top tar you walked a hundred times before.
I'll tell you where the real road lies: between your ears, behind your eyes. That is the path to paradise, likewise the road to ruin.

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Postby Mestovakia » Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:54 am

New yugoslavaia wrote:
Mestovakia wrote:Good soldiers follow orders


Who are these "soldiers" you refer to?


It's a Star Wars reference. The Clones had biochips in their brains.

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Postby San Lumen » Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:55 am

Having seen the film Upgrade I’m going to give this a hard no

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New yugoslavaia
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Postby New yugoslavaia » Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:58 am

Mestovakia wrote:
New yugoslavaia wrote:
Who are these "soldiers" you refer to?


It's a Star Wars reference. The Clones had biochips in their brains.


Ah, thanks. Thought it was some weird conspiracy theorist being vague and ominous or something.
Yugoslavia's back baby...

How the hell did this happen?
Well...we don't actually know. Sure, there's factbooks and stuff, but they don't really matter because the owner of this account is a lazy, unproductive, indecisive loser who may or may not have a thing for half human hybrids, big mechs and even bigger ships.
Is it a reunited Yugoslavia in the 21st century? Is a rebel colony world in the far future? Who knows, who cares?
New Yugoslavia just is.

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Postby New yugoslavaia » Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:59 am

State of Turelisa wrote:Transhumanism is one of the greatest threats to Mankind. It's a misuse of reason by Man seeking to advance his autonomy by striving to place the laws of nature within it.


Imagine being a boring Christian naturist who doesn't want metal gun arms.
Yugoslavia's back baby...

How the hell did this happen?
Well...we don't actually know. Sure, there's factbooks and stuff, but they don't really matter because the owner of this account is a lazy, unproductive, indecisive loser who may or may not have a thing for half human hybrids, big mechs and even bigger ships.
Is it a reunited Yugoslavia in the 21st century? Is a rebel colony world in the far future? Who knows, who cares?
New Yugoslavia just is.

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sat Aug 29, 2020 7:00 am

Ifreann wrote:Remember when Elon Musk was going to turn the Earth's crust into a honeycomb of hyperloops, changing personal transportation forever? Remember when he was going to fix Flint's water? Remember when he was bragging about how his cybertruck was bullet resistant but then smashed the windows easily? I would sooner trust my health to someone in the streets claiming to be a wizard than this overhyped buffoon who has fallen for his own con.


The electric cars seem to be pretty good. Of course you never know with cars: the ones that break down when they get a few years old can seem fine at first.

The boosters seem pretty good. You have to admire landing a rocket on its tail. On a barge, at sea. But you never know with rockets either, they seem good until one blows up.

There's The Boring Company, progressing with purpose though of course quite slowly. They have a dozen contracts.

So yeah. Some of his proposals went no-where. But others have been quite successful. Elon Musk is my kind of capitalist: taking risks, innovating, investing in new industries. Maybe the hyperloop will happen after all: I remember the main problem was unrealistic costing (Musk pretty much assumed all the real estate would be donated) so when he's made some more money maybe it will happen.

He is a bit of a buffoon. Shouldn't use Twitter at all. But I think what you deny about him is actually what you don't like about him: he's successful.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Aug 29, 2020 7:01 am

San Lumen wrote:Having seen the film Upgrade I’m going to give this a hard no

Fiction is useful for exploring the downsides of potential new technologies, but it would be silly to wholly write off a field of technological study just because once someone told a story where they had that technology and it was bad.
Mistake Not My Current State Of Regular Thorough Handwashing For The Awesome And Terrible Majesty Of The Towering Seas Of Mask Wearing That Are Themselves The Mere Milquetoast Shallows Fringing My Vast Oceans Of Social Distancing
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You've got a lonesome road to walk, and it ain't along the railroad track, and it ain't along the black-top tar you walked a hundred times before.
I'll tell you where the real road lies: between your ears, behind your eyes. That is the path to paradise, likewise the road to ruin.

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Postby Region of Dwipantara » Sat Aug 29, 2020 7:01 am

Ifreann wrote:Remember when Elon Musk was going to turn the Earth's crust into a honeycomb of hyperloops, changing personal transportation forever? Remember when he was going to fix Flint's water? Remember when he was bragging about how his cybertruck was bullet resistant but then smashed the windows easily? I would sooner trust my health to someone in the streets claiming to be a wizard than this overhyped buffoon who has fallen for his own con.

Neuroscientists generally agreed that Neuralink's aims are perfectly legit; what's unrealistic is their superambitious schedule. At least on the curing neurological problems part. Also unlike Hyperloop, which is basically train but futuristic, a Neuralink breakthrough will open the gates to a completely new technological can of worms, where there will a lot of competition.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Sat Aug 29, 2020 7:05 am

Ifreann wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Having seen the film Upgrade I’m going to give this a hard no

Fiction is useful for exploring the downsides of potential new technologies, but it would be silly to wholly write off a field of technological study just because once someone told a story where they had that technology and it was bad.


I doubt there are any advances that don't come with their own problems, We just need to rationally balance the downsides against the advantages.
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Postby Sabina The Teenage Glitch » Sat Aug 29, 2020 7:07 am

Welcome to the new age, ig

No chip option please, thanks.

New yugoslavaia wrote:
State of Turelisa wrote:Transhumanism is one of the greatest threats to Mankind. It's a misuse of reason by Man seeking to advance his autonomy by striving to place the laws of nature within it.


Imagine being a boring Christian naturist who doesn't want metal gun arms.

Mmm...not everyone would want to be or have either, I suppose.

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sat Aug 29, 2020 7:08 am

State of Turelisa wrote:Transhumanism is one of the greatest threats to Mankind.


You may well be right. That's why it should only ever be optional. If you want to stay the way evolution (or God) made you, you're welcome.

It's a misuse of reason by Man seeking to advance his autonomy by striving to place the laws of nature within it.


The only laws of nature are the physical constraints we have not found a way around yet. Our animal nature puts no constraints on what "we" can become, if we can give up the conceit that we're perfect the way we are.

The hardest constraint we know of is the Speed of Light and we're chipping away at that. Conservation of Mass/Energy is pretty tough, but some day, maybe. Wouldn't it be great to be able to make stuff out of nothing?

We could make a whole new planet for the Normies. We Transcendents might have to come over and weed it a bit, to keep you all from wiping yourselves out. :p
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Aug 29, 2020 7:10 am

Region of Dwipantara wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Remember when Elon Musk was going to turn the Earth's crust into a honeycomb of hyperloops, changing personal transportation forever? Remember when he was going to fix Flint's water? Remember when he was bragging about how his cybertruck was bullet resistant but then smashed the windows easily? I would sooner trust my health to someone in the streets claiming to be a wizard than this overhyped buffoon who has fallen for his own con.

Neuroscientists generally agreed that Neuralink's aims are perfectly legit; what's unrealistic is their superambitious schedule. Also unlike Hyperloop, which is basically train but futuristic, a Neuralink breakthrough will open the gates to a completely new technological can of worms, where there will a lot of competition.

My point is that this Iron Man wannabe has a well-established history of believing himself to be on the verge of changing the world with his ideas for new technological marvels, but it turns out that his half-baked ideas aren't as simple as he imagined and then the project fizzles out until he half-bakes a new idea. In a few months he'll have "invented" something else and we can only hope that no one is actually rich and desperate enough to get themselves killed in the meantime.
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You've got a lonesome road to walk, and it ain't along the railroad track, and it ain't along the black-top tar you walked a hundred times before.
I'll tell you where the real road lies: between your ears, behind your eyes. That is the path to paradise, likewise the road to ruin.

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sat Aug 29, 2020 7:11 am

Sabina The Teenage Glitch wrote:Welcome to the new age, ig


Who are you, and what have you done with the real Sabrina?
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Aug 29, 2020 7:11 am

Ifreann wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Having seen the film Upgrade I’m going to give this a hard no

Fiction is useful for exploring the downsides of potential new technologies, but it would be silly to wholly write off a field of technological study just because once someone told a story where they had that technology and it was bad.

Science fiction has been phenomenal at predicting the future and been warning us about the dangers of certain technologies for years yet scientists refuse to heed such warnings

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sat Aug 29, 2020 7:13 am

Ifreann wrote:
Region of Dwipantara wrote:Neuroscientists generally agreed that Neuralink's aims are perfectly legit; what's unrealistic is their superambitious schedule. Also unlike Hyperloop, which is basically train but futuristic, a Neuralink breakthrough will open the gates to a completely new technological can of worms, where there will a lot of competition.

My point is that this Iron Man wannabe has a well-established history of believing himself to be on the verge of changing the world with his ideas for new technological marvels, but it turns out that his half-baked ideas aren't as simple as he imagined and then the project fizzles out until he half-bakes a new idea. In a few months he'll have "invented" something else and we can only hope that no one is actually rich and desperate enough to get themselves killed in the meantime.


A rocket that lands on its tail. Do you have a better idea?
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