Oppression of Uyghur

[Benuty]

The CCP abandoned the pretense of Maoism once the party realized they stood to make a lot of money. Its basically a state capitalist government inspiring nightmarish technology (social credit technology) for the sake of a greater China. How "great" this China will be, and what will happen once the PRC collapses is up for debate.

We take for granted that the political/national system in china will eventually collapse, based on the precedent of communist russia, but the more scary forecast is, what if it takes a different route than communist russia and doesn't collapse?

Just saying for discussion sake, what if they turn Xi into a cyborg as eternal great leader of greater china? No more uncertainty on the political leadership. Given the PRC relationship with technology (or lack of ethics of technology), they would likely think about it if the technology for it was available to them.


On a personal note Benuty, where did you inform yourself on the finer details about china's methods ?
Like "the one child policy was developed by the military science branch" and "If the Uighur workers meet their quotas they get the privilege of reuniting with their kids", i would like to check the source too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Song_Jian ... ild_policy
https://www.theatlantic.com/internation ... en/569062/
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-48825090
https://www.reddit.com/r/Documentaries/ ... on_people/

Some sources on these materials.

[Washington Resistance Army]

There's a fine line between meddling the internal affairs of different countries and turning a blind eye to genocide

No there is not. The moment you start making exceptions and allowing for ifs and buts when it comes to resisting imperialism and meddling is the moment you open a door that can newer be shut and will only get wider.

Bud not only is the door already open the entire house has been carpet bombed and only a fraction of the doorframe even remains. Every major power interferes in each others internal affairs.

[Vivolkha]

While you Euros are indeed doing better, the Chinese invading the US would be a nightmare. They legit are 10 times worse than our government which says alot considering we have a government that likes to kill Arab people, interfere in foreign governments, is represented by an oompa loompa with anger issues and may be run in a year by a guy who thinks all men are created by...oh you know the thing.

Let us not forget that the Chinese took over Tibet to "oust foreign imperialism and liberate the people from a theocratic absolute monarchy." Doors are easy to open and hard to close. And once opened you won't always like who gets to come in.

Yeah, surely if you leave China alone they will not interfere in our affairs and suddenly stop being hostile.

I don't buy it.

I've heard Joe Biden supporters (like 5 people cause that's how large his enthusiastic support base is) say he'll mend relations with China.

I'm sorry why the fuck would i wanna mend relations with the evil empire?

As much of a disaster as Trump's Presidency has been, the one thing he's been consistently right about is China and the need for western countries to stop kowtowing to this wolf-in-sheep's-clothing.

I'm sincerely worried that a future President, be it Biden in 2020 or someone else in 2024, will return to what was effectively an appeasement policy toward China and allow their regime to continue poisoning the world unchecked.

Agreed. But, as you said, Trump's presidency has been a disaster. Pick your poison, I guess?

The CCP abandoned the pretense of Maoism once the party realized they stood to make a lot of money. Its basically a state capitalist government inspiring nightmarish technology (social credit technology) for the sake of a greater China. How "great" this China will be, and what will happen once the PRC collapses is up for debate.

We take for granted that the political/national system in china will eventually collapse, based on the precedent of communist russia, but the more scary forecast is, what if it takes a different route than communist russia and doesn't collapse?

Just saying for discussion sake, what if they turn Xi into a cyborg as eternal great leader of greater china? No more uncertainty on the political leadership. Given the PRC relationship with technology (or lack of ethics of technology), they would likely think about it if the technology for it was available to them.


On a personal note Benuty, where did you inform yourself on the finer details about china's methods ?
Like "the one child policy was developed by the military science branch" and "If the Uighur workers meet their quotas they get the privilege of reuniting with their kids", i would like to check the source too.

All regimes and, in fact, all countries on Earth will one day collapse, at least as we know them. China is no exception.

[Rusozak]

It's better than a world war

Grow a spine.

Big talk, but will you be fighting in that war?

[Lost Memories]

We take for granted that the political/national system in china will eventually collapse, based on the precedent of communist russia, but the more scary forecast is, what if it takes a different route than communist russia and doesn't collapse?

Just saying for discussion sake, what if they turn Xi into a cyborg as eternal great leader of greater china? No more uncertainty on the political leadership. Given the PRC relationship with technology (or lack of ethics of technology), they would likely think about it if the technology for it was available to them.

All regimes and, in fact, all countries on Earth will one day collapse, at least as we know them. China is no exception.

Yeah but, when are we expecting CCP, and consequently PRC, to collapse?
In our lifetimes, or roughly anywhere between now and the next 500 years?

It often seems to run around the assumption it's going to be sometime soon, what i'm pointing out is that it may not be so certain.


Thanks Benuty.

[Vivolkha]

All regimes and, in fact, all countries on Earth will one day collapse, at least as we know them. China is no exception.

Yeah but, when are we expecting CCP, and consequently PRC, to collapse?
In our lifetimes, or roughly anywhere between now and the next 500 years?

It often seems to run around the assumption it's going to be sometime soon, what i'm poiting out is that it may not be so certain.


Thanks Benuty.

Personally, I expect the PRC to last for at least 50 years more, and perhaps much more. If I die before it collapses, I won't be surprised.

[Major-Tom]

China is nightmarish, I still don't know the best course of actions in terms of the Ugyhur camps. Certainly our leaders need to wholeheartedly condemn it far more often, but beyond that I don't know that sanctions will be all that effective in the long run. After sanctions comes...military intervention, which is certainly not a good idea.

I don't have the solutions, but I hope the US (lmao) and the EU can try to find some quickly.

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

No there is not. The moment you start making exceptions and allowing for ifs and buts when it comes to resisting imperialism and meddling is the moment you open a door that can newer be shut and will only get wider.

Bud not only is the door already open the entire house has been carpet bombed and only a fraction of the doorframe even remains. Every major power interferes in each others internal affairs.

If meddling in foreign affairs means asking and attempting to get the Chinese government to stop the persecution of minorities in their territory, then I am damn well in support of that.

[Ors Might]

There's a fine line between meddling the internal affairs of different countries and turning a blind eye to genocide

No there is not. The moment you start making exceptions and allowing for ifs and buts when it comes to resisting imperialism and meddling is the moment you open a door that can newer be shut and will only get wider.

“Trying to stop genocide is literally imperialism and wrong.” Hottest of fucking takes there, pal.

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

No there is not. The moment you start making exceptions and allowing for ifs and buts when it comes to resisting imperialism and meddling is the moment you open a door that can newer be shut and will only get wider.

“Trying to stop genocide is literally imperialism and wrong.” Hottest of fucking takes there, pal.

“You’re imperialist when you attempt to stop a genocide.”

??????

Quite few genocides were perpetrated after all by power-driven imperialists. This sounds awfully contradictory.

[Orostan]

No there is not. The moment you start making exceptions and allowing for ifs and buts when it comes to resisting imperialism and meddling is the moment you open a door that can newer be shut and will only get wider.

“Trying to stop genocide is literally imperialism and wrong.” Hottest of fucking takes there, pal.

Nobody is being massacred.

[Purpelia]

Now, there are some members of NS who defends the Chinese Communist Party, using masks such as anti-imperialism. Now I get why they would hate the US's neoconservative foreign policy. But, tell me this if you are against imperialism, why do you support a nation which is not just imposing an imperialistic rule on the world, including their own territory, but also genocides them?

It's simple. By rejecting imperialism at all times and for any reason the hope is to create a political climate where it becomes unacceptable from a PR standpoint for liberal western nations to do it. And once that happens they will seek outlets for their evil imperialism elsewhere. And that elsewhere can at that point only really be stopping others from being imperialistic as well. Nations will always try and oppress and ruin each other. So the goal isn't to stop this (you might as well be trying to stop the sun from rising every morning) but to redirect it in a more positive direction away from meddling and toward antimeddling.

[Ors Might]

“Trying to stop genocide is literally imperialism and wrong.” Hottest of fucking takes there, pal.

Nobody is being massacred.

Nah, just rounded up into work camps where some of them will be killed for their organs.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

The right thing to do is to butt out of Chinese internal affairs. You wouldn't want the Chinese imposing them self on your internal affairs in order to "fix" your gun issues or your race problems.
Hell by your same logic we here in Europe should assemble a coalition to invade you and fix those two issues because clearly we are doing better.

Glad to hear you support genocide so long as it's not in your country.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Now, there are some members of NS who defends the Chinese Communist Party, using masks such as anti-imperialism. Now I get why they would hate the US's neoconservative foreign policy. But, tell me this if you are against imperialism, why do you support a nation which is not just imposing an imperialistic rule on the world, including their own territory, but also genocides them?

It's simple. By rejecting imperialism at all times and for any reason the hope is to create a political climate where it becomes unacceptable from a PR standpoint for liberal western nations to do it. And once that happens they will seek outlets for their evil imperialism elsewhere. And that elsewhere can at that point only really be stopping others from being imperialistic as well. Nations will always try and oppress and ruin each other. So the goal isn't to stop this (you might as well be trying to stop the sun from rising every morning) but to redirect it in a more positive direction away from meddling and toward antimeddling.

By rejecting what you call "imperialism" you'll be allowing the destruction of native culture, religion, and ethnicity by ultranationalists who dream of ethnostates free of minorities.

Fuck your genocide apologist bullshit. Imperialism is a far lesser sin than mass murder on an ethnic scale.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

It's simple. By rejecting imperialism at all times and for any reason the hope is to create a political climate where it becomes unacceptable from a PR standpoint for liberal western nations to do it. And once that happens they will seek outlets for their evil imperialism elsewhere. And that elsewhere can at that point only really be stopping others from being imperialistic as well. Nations will always try and oppress and ruin each other. So the goal isn't to stop this (you might as well be trying to stop the sun from rising every morning) but to redirect it in a more positive direction away from meddling and toward antimeddling.

By rejecting what you call "imperialism" you'll be allowing the destruction of native culture, religion, and ethnicity by ultranationalists who dream of ethnostates free of minorities.

Fuck your genocide apologist bullshit. Imperialism is a far lesser sin than mass murder on an ethnic scale.

Imperialism usually leads to genocides tbh.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

By rejecting what you call "imperialism" you'll be allowing the destruction of native culture, religion, and ethnicity by ultranationalists who dream of ethnostates free of minorities.

Fuck your genocide apologist bullshit. Imperialism is a far lesser sin than mass murder on an ethnic scale.

Imperialism usually leads to genocides tbh.

Which is why it shouldn't surprise anyone that China is in and of itself imperialist. It's like watching someone commit murder and then telling the person who tries to stop the murderer that they should mind their own business.

[Insaanistan]

I already made a thread on this, but this is one way to prove the utter hypocrisy of the Islamic nations of the world who “stand up” for Palestine (even then, how often) but are silent on the plight of Uyghurs. Blood is thicker than water, but stacks of hundreds are thicker than blood.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

I already made a thread on this, but this is one way to prove the utter hypocrisy of the Islamic nations of the world who “stand up” for Palestine (even then, how often) but are silent on the plight of Uyghurs. Blood is thicker than water, but stacks of hundreds are thicker than blood.

They're worse than silent. They're actively celebrating and encouraging China's so-called "anti-terrorism" policies that are reminiscent of the Third Reich's treatment of Jews. It's only a matter of time until they start digging ditches and pouring bodies in them. The world, collectively, needs to come down on China and stop this.

"Never Again", they said. "Never Forget", they said. Yet it's happening again, and they all forgot.

[Orostan]

Nobody is being massacred.

Nah, just rounded up into work camps where some of them will be killed for their organs.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/as ... story.html

That doesn’t happen.

[Benuty]

I already made a thread on this, but this is one way to prove the utter hypocrisy of the Islamic nations of the world who “stand up” for Palestine (even then, how often) but are silent on the plight of Uyghurs. Blood is thicker than water, but stacks of hundreds are thicker than blood.

They're worse than silent. They're actively celebrating and encouraging China's so-called "anti-terrorism" policies that are reminiscent of the Third Reich's treatment of Jews. It's only a matter of time until they start digging ditches and pouring bodies in them. The world, collectively, needs to come down on China and stop this.

"Never Again", they said. "Never Forget", they said. Yet it's happening again, and they all forgot.

The Chinese might do that for the adults, but the children is the ultimate prize. Soon with enough application the children of Xinjiang will be proper Hans, loyal to China, and loyal to the party if the people responsible for this current cultural erasure have their way.

[Insaanistan]

I already made a thread on this, but this is one way to prove the utter hypocrisy of the Islamic nations of the world who “stand up” for Palestine (even then, how often) but are silent on the plight of Uyghurs. Blood is thicker than water, but stacks of hundreds are thicker than blood.

They're worse than silent. They're actively celebrating and encouraging China's so-called "anti-terrorism" policies that are reminiscent of the Third Reich's treatment of Jews. It's only a matter of time until they start digging ditches and pouring bodies in them. The world, collectively, needs to come down on China and stop this.

"Never Again", they said. "Never Forget", they said. Yet it's happening again, and they all forgot.

Some forget, yes. Others were never taught. Other still remember but don’t care. And some remember and wish for it to happen again.

“By [the passing of] time. Man has surely gone astray. Except those who have faith and do righteous deeds, and enjoin one another to [follow] the truth, and enjoin one another to patience.” Chapter of the Passage of time, the Qur’ân.

[Benuty]

Nah, just rounded up into work camps where some of them will be killed for their organs.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/as ... story.html

That doesn’t happen.

Under a magnifying glass of skepticism, are we sure they aren't just lying? Governments tend to do that when involved with abhorrent practices. I mean Quaker oats used to feed disabled children radioactive cereal just to find out what they would do, but a corporation doesn't have the same veneer of protections a government can wield unless they are ridiculously wealthy.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I already made a thread on this, but this is one way to prove the utter hypocrisy of the Islamic nations of the world who “stand up” for Palestine (even then, how often) but are silent on the plight of Uyghurs. Blood is thicker than water, but stacks of hundreds are thicker than blood.

They're worse than silent. They're actively celebrating and encouraging China's so-called "anti-terrorism" policies that are reminiscent of the Third Reich's treatment of Jews. It's only a matter of time until they start digging ditches and pouring bodies in them. The world, collectively, needs to come down on China and stop this.

"Never Again", they said. "Never Forget", they said. Yet it's happening again, and they all forgot.

I dont wanna be that guy but it happened several times since the holocaust. The only lesson ppl seem to take from the holocaust is "killing Jews is generally bad," and not "killing people is wrong."

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Imperialism usually leads to genocides tbh.

Which is why it shouldn't surprise anyone that China is in and of itself imperialist. It's like watching someone commit murder and then telling the person who tries to stop the murderer that they should mind their own business.

China won't stop spreading unless everyone on earth resists their grasp.