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Nazeroth literally was celebrating the attempted murder of an unarmed man in this thread about 4 hours ago, and defending Trump's claim that Mexican Americans are everyone Mexico didn't want. Everyone is a leftist to him.


Uhhh wat :blink:
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Your a leftist, it dosn't matter what I say ultimately, and we are in NSG so lets just stop acting like you have any real interest in "logic" or the strawman of "well then your saying that because it's republican it's perfect"

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Solvokina wrote:At this point, anyone running from the police or resisting arrest should be shot with a sedative round so they can just be dragged to a car. Tasers only work if you aren't resistant to pain and have a limited range

Or cops could just learn to deescalate. There was no reason for them to treat him as hostile and dangerous in the first place. He was breaking up a fight.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:28 am

Solvokina wrote:At this point, anyone running from the police or resisting arrest should be shot with a sedative round so they can just be dragged to a car. Tasers only work if you aren't resistant to pain and have a limited range


Spoken like someone who has no idea how much of an exact science anaesthesia is. If you fuck it up, people die. That's how Michael Jackson died.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:31 am

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Solvokina wrote:At this point, anyone running from the police or resisting arrest should be shot with a sedative round so they can just be dragged to a car. Tasers only work if you aren't resistant to pain and have a limited range

Or cops could just learn to deescalate. There was no reason for them to treat him as hostile and dangerous in the first place. He was breaking up a fight.


Or basic fucking takedowns.

Honestly, all this shit makes me wonder exactly they're even taught in the academy.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:32 am

Solvokina wrote:At this point, anyone running from the police or resisting arrest should be shot with a sedative round so they can just be dragged to a car. Tasers only work if you aren't resistant to pain and have a limited range

This is real life, not Metal Gear Solid where you can plink someone with a tranq dart and have them fall to the ground with Zzz floating over their head.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:37 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Solvokina wrote:At this point, anyone running from the police or resisting arrest should be shot with a sedative round so they can just be dragged to a car. Tasers only work if you aren't resistant to pain and have a limited range

This is real life, not Metal Gear Solid where you can plink someone with a tranq dart and have them fall to the ground with Zzz floating over their head.


We can also add TASERs to the list of things that don't work like that.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:46 am

Nazeroth wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Nazeroth literally was celebrating the attempted murder of an unarmed man in this thread about 4 hours ago, and defending Trump's claim that Mexican Americans are everyone Mexico didn't want. Everyone is a leftist to him.


Uhhh wat :blink:


San Lumen is a moderate Democrat. I'm pretty sure. It's hard to tell from over here, I'm pretty sure he'd get booted out of a Labor meeting for whining about business too much. But not sure he'd be welcome in the center-right Liberal party either. I think he'd be one of the forlorn Centrists who don't have a party and have to attach to Independent candidates for as long as they last.

I suggest for US purposes, anyone more moderate than the median Democrat should be called a rightist.

Then instead of trying to persuade people they're Centrists (no party for that, it doesn't exist) they can proudly say they're a leftist rightist!
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:49 am

Telconi wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:This is real life, not Metal Gear Solid where you can plink someone with a tranq dart and have them fall to the ground with Zzz floating over their head.


We can also add TASERs to the list of things that don't work like that.


I expect they will improve. I don't see any reason why voluntary muscles can't be paralyzed while leaving essential ones like the heart and arteries still working.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:53 am

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Nazeroth wrote:Looks like he was armed with a blade from newer angles.
The New California Republic wrote:Link?

You making any progress with that link? It's pretty easy to copy a url and paste it here. I'm chomping at the bit to see this blade that the guy had.

You made any progress with getting that link yet? It has been several hours since I asked for it. It's starting to look like you made the whole thing up.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:56 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Telconi wrote:
We can also add TASERs to the list of things that don't work like that.


I expect they will improve. I don't see any reason why voluntary muscles can't be paralyzed while leaving essential ones like the heart and arteries still working.


That's literally what a TASER does. It's got nothing to do with pain, as a matter of fact, it doesn't even hurt.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:42 am

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I expect they will improve. I don't see any reason why voluntary muscles can't be paralyzed while leaving essential ones like the heart and arteries still working.


That's literally what a TASER does. It's got nothing to do with pain, as a matter of fact, it doesn't even hurt.


It sometimes kills the person. So it can be improved.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:46 am

Telconi wrote:
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I expect they will improve. I don't see any reason why voluntary muscles can't be paralyzed while leaving essential ones like the heart and arteries still working.


That's literally what a TASER does. It's got nothing to do with pain, as a matter of fact, it doesn't even hurt.


So when were you tased?
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Postby Kowani » Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:52 am

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Liriena wrote:Or cops could just learn to deescalate. There was no reason for them to treat him as hostile and dangerous in the first place. He was breaking up a fight.


Or basic fucking takedowns.

Honestly, all this shit makes me wonder exactly they're even taught in the academy.

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:53 am

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Solvokina wrote:At this point, anyone running from the police or resisting arrest should be shot with a sedative round so they can just be dragged to a car. Tasers only work if you aren't resistant to pain and have a limited range


Spoken like someone who has no idea how much of an exact science anaesthesia is. If you fuck it up, people die. That's how Michael Jackson died.

Getting hit with a sedative isn’t anesthesia. I don’t recommend what he’s advocating for but it’s not the same
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:56 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Liriena wrote:Or cops could just learn to deescalate. There was no reason for them to treat him as hostile and dangerous in the first place. He was breaking up a fight.


Or basic fucking takedowns.

Honestly, all this shit makes me wonder exactly they're even taught in the academy.

Absolutely fuck all.

If the fucking military has to learn how to take people down without using weapons and has to learn de-escalation techniques then theres no excuse why the police can’t do the same.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:00 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Telconi wrote:
That's literally what a TASER does. It's got nothing to do with pain, as a matter of fact, it doesn't even hurt.


It sometimes kills the person. So it can be improved.

Due to underlying health conditions most of the time. So yes there is room for improvement though it’s more survivable than a gun
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:06 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Spoken like someone who has no idea how much of an exact science anaesthesia is. If you fuck it up, people die. That's how Michael Jackson died.

Getting hit with a sedative isn’t anesthesia. I don’t recommend what he’s advocating for but it’s not the same


Sedatives seem quite risky to me. Stimulant drugs would make it ineffective, while depressants like opioid or alcohol would be potentiated. If there's an ambulance nearby the subject is probably going to be OK, but if there's not they could die.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:08 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Spoken like someone who has no idea how much of an exact science anaesthesia is. If you fuck it up, people die. That's how Michael Jackson died.

Getting hit with a sedative isn’t anesthesia. I don’t recommend what he’s advocating for but it’s not the same


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Postby Vassenor » Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:09 am

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Thermodolia wrote:Getting hit with a sedative isn’t anesthesia. I don’t recommend what he’s advocating for but it’s not the same


Sedatives seem quite risky to me. Stimulant drugs would make it ineffective, while depressants like opioid or alcohol would be potentiated. If there's an ambulance nearby the subject is probably going to be OK, but if there's not they could die.


Reminder: Elijah McCain died because the police ordered the paramedics to overdose him with Ketamine in order to sedate him.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:17 am

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It sometimes kills the person. So it can be improved.

Due to underlying health conditions most of the time. So yes there is room for improvement though it’s more survivable than a gun


I can't see "check coronary health and history of seizures before deploying taser" as very practical. ;)

I do support cops carrying tasers. They're a necessary evil, for marginal situations where a cop would otherwise use a gun. But I look forward to improvements, to make them equally effective on anyone and never lethal.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:44 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Liriena wrote:Or cops could just learn to deescalate. There was no reason for them to treat him as hostile and dangerous in the first place. He was breaking up a fight.


Or basic fucking takedowns.

Honestly, all this shit makes me wonder exactly they're even taught in the academy.

How to get away with shooting people, how to use passive voice cop speak like "officer involved shooting", which coffee shops offer discounts if you wear your uniform and which can be hit up for fake "they tried to poison me" stories, and if there's time, basic pistol marksmanship.

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:11 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Solvokina wrote:At this point, anyone running from the police or resisting arrest should be shot with a sedative round so they can just be dragged to a car. Tasers only work if you aren't resistant to pain and have a limited range

This is real life, not Metal Gear Solid where you can plink someone with a tranq dart and have them fall to the ground with Zzz floating over their head.


I totally support the use of Tranqs. No one gets hurt hopefully and they aren't deadly.
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Postby Loben III » Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:27 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:This is real life, not Metal Gear Solid where you can plink someone with a tranq dart and have them fall to the ground with Zzz floating over their head.


I totally support the use of Tranqs. No one gets hurt hopefully and they aren't deadly.


There are taser round for shotguns irc, stands to reason they can miniaturize it for pistols and assault rifles.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:44 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:This is real life, not Metal Gear Solid where you can plink someone with a tranq dart and have them fall to the ground with Zzz floating over their head.


I totally support the use of Tranqs. No one gets hurt hopefully and they aren't deadly.


>tranquillisers aren't deadly

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Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Sedatives seem quite risky to me. Stimulant drugs would make it ineffective, while depressants like opioid or alcohol would be potentiated. If there's an ambulance nearby the subject is probably going to be OK, but if there's not they could die.


Reminder: Elijah McCain died because the police ordered the paramedics to overdose him with Ketamine in order to sedate him.
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