Violence Outbreak in Kenosha WI

[Salus Maior]

Is it by people who actually realize the truth of the situation that Rittenhouse was simply in the wrong place and the wrong time and exercised his right to defend himself in a bad situation? Or is it from those people who deludedly think that Rittenhouse is some kind of revolutionary vanguard who bravely acted as a warrior against anarchists?

Breonna Taylor still needs her justice.The courts want to protect the safety of racist police who have no deescalation training. It’s all about lack of training.Half the Kenosha Police Department should be fired.Most of us if still want some justice.

Rittenhouse had nothing to do with Breonna Taylor. He's also not police.

I don't think he was a hero. He was just a kid in a bad situation, and is lucky not to be dead.

Pretty much this.

Honestly, I kind of hate that the Right are trying to use this kid as a symbol. Because that's just going to put more of a target on his back, and lead opponents to the Right to thinking he really was some kind of aggressor (like our resident leftists continue to try to spin the incident as).

This kid only did what anyone would have done in that same situation, or could reasonably be expected to do. He should be allowed to step out of the headlights of the culture and allowed to live in peace.

[Gravlen]

A new 11-min-long video by a pro-Rittenhouse group calling itself #FightBack has been released exonerating Kyle of all wrongdoing. I hesitate to link to the video here because it contains borderline graphic content. Not exactly explicit, but borderline. It's on YouTube.

So a video made by his lawyer. Just to be clear.

[Galloism]

Pretty much this.

Honestly, I kind of hate that the Right are trying to use this kid as a symbol. Because that's just going to put more of a target on his back, and lead opponents to the Right to thinking he really was some kind of aggressor (like our resident leftists continue to try to spin the incident as).

This kid only did what anyone would have done in that same situation, or could reasonably be expected to do. He should be allowed to step out of the headlights of the culture and allowed to live in peace.

Pretty much. Anyone who is armed that has someone mask up, gather allies, chase you down and try to rob you of your firearm by force would likely take the same, similar, or less optimal actions.

[Kowani]

According to the lawyer for the police, they thought Blake was trying to kidnap the kids in the car.


The fact that they were his kids seems to have gone unnoticed.

[Grinning Dragon]

A new 11-min-long video by a pro-Rittenhouse group calling itself #FightBack has been released exonerating Kyle of all wrongdoing. I hesitate to link to the video here because it contains borderline graphic content. Not exactly explicit, but borderline. It's on YouTube.

So a video made by his lawyer. Just to be clear.

To be clear, it is made up of the many different videos shot that night with notations and identification of all those who are participants.

[West Leas Oros 2]

I believe it's probably the latter. I think it was stupid of him to be there in the first place, but since he was there, he had to defend himself when things got out of hand. He's not the smartest hero, but he's a hero nonetheless.

I don't think he was a hero. He was just a kid in a bad situation, and is lucky not to be dead.

That is the grittiest, realest explanation, and honestly, that can be said of a lot of folks right now.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

A new 11-min-long video by a pro-Rittenhouse group calling itself #FightBack has been released exonerating Kyle of all wrongdoing. I hesitate to link to the video here because it contains borderline graphic content. Not exactly explicit, but borderline. It's on YouTube.

I find it odd, but the rough draft to that video and/or several of the source-vids they made the compilation of have already been linked in this thread.

But sure, may as well play it safe, wouldn't want to start anoter riot/mod-war in the moderation forum.

Others don't mind watching the world burn from their vantage point of a moral event horizon.

But here's the PG-13 11 minute rundown. Youtube/google analytics will do the rest to recomend the follow-up vids.

[Grinning Dragon]

Well, OK, then. l.lin wood is now going after the biden campaign and demanding a retraction
https://twitter.com/LLinWood/status/1311319651947868161

On behalf of Kyle Rittenhouse, I shall sue @JoeBiden
& Biden/Harris Campaign for libel.

I am partisan in 20/20 supporting @realDonaldTrump
.

I am non-partisan trial lawyer who aggressively pursues truth to achieve justice.

Put in your hearing aid, Joe. You will hear footsteps.
9:59 AM · Sep 30, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

https://twitter.com/LLinWood/status/1311290152619307008?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1311290152619307008%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fus%2Fkyle-rittenhouses-attorney-sue-joe-biden-campaign-libel

Formal demand for public retraction is being prepared for Biden/Harris Campaign on behalf of Kyle Rittenhouse.

I also hereby demand that @JoeBiden
immediately retract his false accusation that Kyle is a white supremacist & militia member responsible for violence in Kenosha.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Well, OK, then. l.lin wood is now going after the biden campaign and demanding a retraction
https://twitter.com/LLinWood/status/1311319651947868161

On behalf of Kyle Rittenhouse, I shall sue @JoeBiden
& Biden/Harris Campaign for libel.

I am partisan in 20/20 supporting @realDonaldTrump
.

I am non-partisan trial lawyer who aggressively pursues truth to achieve justice.

Put in your hearing aid, Joe. You will hear footsteps.
9:59 AM · Sep 30, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

https://twitter.com/LLinWood/status/1311290152619307008?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1311290152619307008%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fus%2Fkyle-rittenhouses-attorney-sue-joe-biden-campaign-libel

Formal demand for public retraction is being prepared for Biden/Harris Campaign on behalf of Kyle Rittenhouse.

I also hereby demand that @JoeBiden
immediately retract his false accusation that Kyle is a white supremacist & militia member responsible for violence in Kenosha.

Nice.

[Gravlen]

Well, OK, then. l.lin wood is now going after the biden campaign and demanding a retraction
https://twitter.com/LLinWood/status/1311319651947868161


https://twitter.com/LLinWood/status/1311290152619307008?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1311290152619307008%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fus%2Fkyle-rittenhouses-attorney-sue-joe-biden-campaign-libel

Nice.

Very nice. It's a great idea to open up Rittenhouse to wide-ranging civil discovery about motives and circumstances while he's in the middle of a criminal prosecution. As there is no 5th amendment protection in such a civil libel case, I'm all for it.

[Galloism]

Nice.

Very nice. It's a great idea to open up Rittenhouse to wide-ranging civil discovery about motives and circumstances while he's in the middle of a criminal prosecution. As there is no 5th amendment protection in such a civil libel case, I'm all for it.

Most likely they won't actually file suit until after the criminal case is over.

At least, that would seem to be the smart play.

[Gravlen]

Very nice. It's a great idea to open up Rittenhouse to wide-ranging civil discovery about motives and circumstances while he's in the middle of a criminal prosecution. As there is no 5th amendment protection in such a civil libel case, I'm all for it.

Most likely they won't actually file suit until after the criminal case is over.

At least, that would seem to be the smart play.

What's smart depends on the objective.

What's smart for Rittenhouse's defence would be to not file this lawsuit until the criminal case is over.

What's legally smart would be to not file a frivolous lawsuit about something which is clearly not libellous in the first place.

What's financially smart for Wood (not necessarily Rittenhouse) would be to announce such a lawsuit in order to drum up more donations to his foundation, and then quietly forget about the whole thing.

[Galloism]

What's legally smart would be to not file a frivolous lawsuit about something which is clearly not libellous in the first place.

Excuse me, how is calling or inferring someone is a white supremacist with absolutely no proof not libellous?

[Washington Resistance Army]

What's legally smart would be to not file a frivolous lawsuit about something which is clearly not libellous in the first place.

Excuse me, how is calling or inferring someone is a white supremacist with absolutely no proof not libellous?

Especially since it's not like some random person on Twitter said it. Bidens tweet was presumably seen by hundreds of thousands, if not millions. Given the immense lack of proof that he's a white supremacist yeah it kinda seems like libel to me.

[Gravlen]

What's legally smart would be to not file a frivolous lawsuit about something which is clearly not libellous in the first place.

Excuse me, how is calling or inferring someone is a white supremacist with absolutely no proof not libellous?

Because he didn't do that. If you actually look at the video, the image of Rittenhouse was flashed when the audio of Chris Wallace was mentioning the violence in Kenosha. Rittenhouse with a gun is indeed a good illustration for the violence in Kenosha. That's all there is to it.

This is what's said in the video:

WALLACE: But are you willing, tonight, to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we've seen in Portland? Are you prepared to specifically do that?

TRUMP: Sure, I'm willing to do that. But I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing, not from the right wing. If you look, I'm willing to do anything. I want to see peace.

WALLACE: Then do it, sir.

BIDEN: Say it. Do it. Say it.

TRUMP: You want to call them? What do you want to call them? Give me a name, give me a name, go ahead — who would you like me to condemn?

WALLACE: White supremacists, white supremacists and right-wing militia.

TRUMP: Proud Boys, stand back and stand by.

I underlined what's said when his image is shown.

Joe Biden's caption:

There’s no other way to put it: the President of the United States refused to disavow white supremacists on the debate stage last night.

...which is true.

[Galloism]

Excuse me, how is calling or inferring someone is a white supremacist with absolutely no proof not libellous?

Because he didn't do that. If you actually look at the video, the image of Rittenhouse was flashed when the audio of Chris Wallace was mentioning the violence in Kenosha. Rittenhouse with a gun is indeed a good illustration for the violence in Kenosha. That's all there is to it.

This is what's said in the video:

WALLACE: But are you willing, tonight, to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we've seen in Portland? Are you prepared to specifically do that?

TRUMP: Sure, I'm willing to do that. But I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing, not from the right wing. If you look, I'm willing to do anything. I want to see peace.

WALLACE: Then do it, sir.

BIDEN: Say it. Do it. Say it.

TRUMP: You want to call them? What do you want to call them? Give me a name, give me a name, go ahead — who would you like me to condemn?

WALLACE: White supremacists, white supremacists and right-wing militia.

TRUMP: Proud Boys, stand back and stand by.

I underlined what's said when his image is shown.

Joe Biden's caption:

There’s no other way to put it: the President of the United States refused to disavow white supremacists on the debate stage last night.

...which is true.

Isn't that implying or carrying the message that Rittenhouse was a white supremacist adding violence to Kenosha?

Because that's how I interpreted the message.

[Gravlen]

Excuse me, how is calling or inferring someone is a white supremacist with absolutely no proof not libellous?

Especially since it's not like some random person on Twitter said it. Bidens tweet was presumably seen by hundreds of thousands, if not millions. Given the immense lack of proof that he's a white supremacist yeah it kinda seems like libel to me.

Doesn't matter how many people saw it. Truth is an absolute defense to defamation, and what Biden said and showed is truthful: There was violence in Kenosha which Rittenhouse was involved in, and the President of the United States refused to disavow white supremacists.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Because he didn't do that. If you actually look at the video, the image of Rittenhouse was flashed when the audio of Chris Wallace was mentioning the violence in Kenosha. Rittenhouse with a gun is indeed a good illustration for the violence in Kenosha. That's all there is to it.

This is what's said in the video:

WALLACE: But are you willing, tonight, to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we've seen in Portland? Are you prepared to specifically do that?

TRUMP: Sure, I'm willing to do that. But I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing, not from the right wing. If you look, I'm willing to do anything. I want to see peace.

WALLACE: Then do it, sir.

BIDEN: Say it. Do it. Say it.

TRUMP: You want to call them? What do you want to call them? Give me a name, give me a name, go ahead — who would you like me to condemn?

WALLACE: White supremacists, white supremacists and right-wing militia.

TRUMP: Proud Boys, stand back and stand by.

I underlined what's said when his image is shown.

Joe Biden's caption:

There’s no other way to put it: the President of the United States refused to disavow white supremacists on the debate stage last night.

...which is true.

Isn't that implying or carrying the message that Rittenhouse was a white supremacist adding violence to Kenosha?

Because that's how I interpreted the message.

That's also how I interpreted it, and frankly how I imagine anyone would. "Trump refuses to disavow white supremacists like this guy here" is clearly the angle it was going for.

[Thermodolia]

Because he didn't do that. If you actually look at the video, the image of Rittenhouse was flashed when the audio of Chris Wallace was mentioning the violence in Kenosha. Rittenhouse with a gun is indeed a good illustration for the violence in Kenosha. That's all there is to it.

This is what's said in the video:

WALLACE: But are you willing, tonight, to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we've seen in Portland? Are you prepared to specifically do that?

TRUMP: Sure, I'm willing to do that. But I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing, not from the right wing. If you look, I'm willing to do anything. I want to see peace.

WALLACE: Then do it, sir.

BIDEN: Say it. Do it. Say it.

TRUMP: You want to call them? What do you want to call them? Give me a name, give me a name, go ahead — who would you like me to condemn?

WALLACE: White supremacists, white supremacists and right-wing militia.

TRUMP: Proud Boys, stand back and stand by.

I underlined what's said when his image is shown.

Joe Biden's caption:

There’s no other way to put it: the President of the United States refused to disavow white supremacists on the debate stage last night.

...which is true.

Isn't that implying or carrying the message that Rittenhouse was a white supremacist adding violence to Kenosha?

Because that's how I interpreted the message.

To play devils advocate you could say that it was referring to the militia part and not the white supremacist part. Though convincing a judge that was the intent is going to be hard to do

[Galloism]

Isn't that implying or carrying the message that Rittenhouse was a white supremacist adding violence to Kenosha?

Because that's how I interpreted the message.

To play devils advocate you could say that it was referring to the militia part and not the white supremacist part. Though convincing a judge that was the intent is going to be hard to do

Ok, arguable.

[New haven america]

A new 11-min-long video by a pro-Rittenhouse group calling itself #FightBack has been released exonerating Kyle of all wrongdoing. I hesitate to link to the video here because it contains borderline graphic content. Not exactly explicit, but borderline. It's on YouTube.

Is it by people who actually realize the truth of the situation that Rittenhouse was simply in the wrong place and the wrong time and exercised his right to defend himself in a bad situation? Or is it from those people who deludedly think that Rittenhouse is some kind of revolutionary vanguard who bravely acted as a warrior against anarchists?

WTF are you on about?

Rittenhouse knew exactly what he was doing, he lived an entire state away, saw the riots on TV, got his gear and drove to Kenosha to shoot people.

[Gravlen]

Because he didn't do that. If you actually look at the video, the image of Rittenhouse was flashed when the audio of Chris Wallace was mentioning the violence in Kenosha. Rittenhouse with a gun is indeed a good illustration for the violence in Kenosha. That's all there is to it.

This is what's said in the video:

WALLACE: But are you willing, tonight, to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we've seen in Portland? Are you prepared to specifically do that?

TRUMP: Sure, I'm willing to do that. But I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing, not from the right wing. If you look, I'm willing to do anything. I want to see peace.

WALLACE: Then do it, sir.

BIDEN: Say it. Do it. Say it.

TRUMP: You want to call them? What do you want to call them? Give me a name, give me a name, go ahead — who would you like me to condemn?

WALLACE: White supremacists, white supremacists and right-wing militia.

TRUMP: Proud Boys, stand back and stand by.

I underlined what's said when his image is shown.

Joe Biden's caption:

There’s no other way to put it: the President of the United States refused to disavow white supremacists on the debate stage last night.

...which is true.

Isn't that implying or carrying the message that Rittenhouse was a white supremacist adding violence to Kenosha?

Because that's how I interpreted the message.

I would say it's clearly not. They're using several images to illustrate the events Wallace is talking about. There is no doubt that the sad-looking black couple shown a few seconds earlier is not white supremacists nor adding violence, but rather just used as an illustrative examples of people suffering due to violence. Shortly thereafter Rittenhouse is shown, as the most prominent example of the violence in Kenosha. We know that this is what he's supposed to illustrate, because Wallace is talking about the violence in Kenosha at the time. It's not subtext, it's text.

A simple and absolutely effective defense is the truth. The truth is that Rittenhouse was part of the violence in Kenosha. Trying to connect his image to an implication that he's a white supremacist via the refusal by Trump to disavow white supremacists (also truth, by the way) is way too much of a stretch.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Is it by people who actually realize the truth of the situation that Rittenhouse was simply in the wrong place and the wrong time and exercised his right to defend himself in a bad situation? Or is it from those people who deludedly think that Rittenhouse is some kind of revolutionary vanguard who bravely acted as a warrior against anarchists?

WTF are you on about?

Rittenhouse knew exactly what he was doing, he lived an entire state away, saw the riots on TV, got his gear and drove to Kenosha to shoot people.

He lives literally less than half an hour away from Kenosha lol. He was already there beforehand even. Take the misinformation elsewhere.

[Thermodolia]

Is it by people who actually realize the truth of the situation that Rittenhouse was simply in the wrong place and the wrong time and exercised his right to defend himself in a bad situation? Or is it from those people who deludedly think that Rittenhouse is some kind of revolutionary vanguard who bravely acted as a warrior against anarchists?

WTF are you on about?

Rittenhouse knew exactly what he was doing, he lived an entire state away, saw the riots on TV, got his gear and drove to Kenosha to shoot people.

People who live in Newark aren’t an entire state away from NYC

[Gravlen]

Isn't that implying or carrying the message that Rittenhouse was a white supremacist adding violence to Kenosha?

Because that's how I interpreted the message.

To play devils advocate you could say that it was referring to the militia part and not the white supremacist part. Though convincing a judge that was the intent is going to be hard to do

This is true, but that would be perhaps the third line of defense or so, likely after the defenses of truth and opinion (and before claiming there was no actual malice involved, since Rittenhouse is a limited purpose public figure).