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Nah, that's Wales.

No that's Cornwall.

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-Astoria- wrote:Nah, that's Wales.

No that's Cornwall.

Nah, that's the Isles of Scilly, to be precise. :p
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Postby Nilrahrarfan » Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:48 pm

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Dresderstan wrote:No that's Cornwall.

Nah, that's the Isles of Scilly, to be precise. :p

Actually, that's the British Virgin Islands
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:48 pm

Partner of Man Killed in Kenosha, Three Others Sue Facebook, Militia Groups, Rittenhouse

Anthony Huber was “protesting” in Kenosha on August 25. He was also one of the (at least) four men who attacked Kyle Rittenhouse that night during rioting. Huber was the one who tried to cave Rittenhouse’s skull in with a skateboard.

Rittenhouse shot Huber once in the chest, killing him. Now huber’s girlfriend, described as his “life partner,” and three others who were in Kenosha that night, have filed a federal lawsuit against Rittenhouse, a couple of militia organizations and Facebook.


Sounds frivolous.
Also why hasn't gaige been charged yet?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:49 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:Partner of Man Killed in Kenosha, Three Others Sue Facebook, Militia Groups, Rittenhouse

Anthony Huber was “protesting” in Kenosha on August 25. He was also one of the (at least) four men who attacked Kyle Rittenhouse that night during rioting. Huber was the one who tried to cave Rittenhouse’s skull in with a skateboard.

Rittenhouse shot Huber once in the chest, killing him. Now huber’s girlfriend, described as his “life partner,” and three others who were in Kenosha that night, have filed a federal lawsuit against Rittenhouse, a couple of militia organizations and Facebook.


Sounds frivolous.
Also why hasn't gaige been charged yet?


Fucking with Facebook is a bad move, a really bad move. They're infinitely more powerful than any legal team she could ever assemble.
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Postby Loben III » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:38 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:Partner of Man Killed in Kenosha, Three Others Sue Facebook, Militia Groups, Rittenhouse

Anthony Huber was “protesting” in Kenosha on August 25. He was also one of the (at least) four men who attacked Kyle Rittenhouse that night during rioting. Huber was the one who tried to cave Rittenhouse’s skull in with a skateboard.

Rittenhouse shot Huber once in the chest, killing him. Now huber’s girlfriend, described as his “life partner,” and three others who were in Kenosha that night, have filed a federal lawsuit against Rittenhouse, a couple of militia organizations and Facebook.


Sounds frivolous.
Also why hasn't gaige been charged yet?


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Postby Gravlen » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:40 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:Partner of Man Killed in Kenosha, Three Others Sue Facebook, Militia Groups, Rittenhouse

Anthony Huber was “protesting” in Kenosha on August 25. He was also one of the (at least) four men who attacked Kyle Rittenhouse that night during rioting. Huber was the one who tried to cave Rittenhouse’s skull in with a skateboard.

Rittenhouse shot Huber once in the chest, killing him. Now huber’s girlfriend, described as his “life partner,” and three others who were in Kenosha that night, have filed a federal lawsuit against Rittenhouse, a couple of militia organizations and Facebook.


Sounds frivolous.
Also why hasn't gaige been charged yet?

Use a better source. Seriously. That one is dangerously close to using the terms "gloriously", "Patriotic blood of Liberty", "cowardly" and suchlike.

Here. This is better.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2020/09/23/facebook-sued-by-victims-of-kenosha-protest-violence-for-empowering-militias/#7e7c44f225ec
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Postby Gravlen » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:46 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Partner of Man Killed in Kenosha, Three Others Sue Facebook, Militia Groups, Rittenhouse



Sounds frivolous.
Also why hasn't gaige been charged yet?


Fucking with Facebook is a bad move, a really bad move. They're infinitely more powerful than any legal team she could ever assemble.

Eh, you don't need a particularly strong legal team to get the suit against Facebook dismissed here. Easy experience for some new associates.
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:47 pm

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-Astoria- wrote:Nah, that's Wales.

No that's Cornwall.


No, that's the continental U.S.
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:28 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:Partner of Man Killed in Kenosha, Three Others Sue Facebook, Militia Groups, Rittenhouse

Anthony Huber was “protesting” in Kenosha on August 25. He was also one of the (at least) four men who attacked Kyle Rittenhouse that night during rioting. Huber was the one who tried to cave Rittenhouse’s skull in with a skateboard.

Rittenhouse shot Huber once in the chest, killing him. Now huber’s girlfriend, described as his “life partner,” and three others who were in Kenosha that night, have filed a federal lawsuit against Rittenhouse, a couple of militia organizations and Facebook.


Sounds frivolous.
Also why hasn't gaige been charged yet?


Maybe not frivolous as it would survive a motion to dismiss. Unlikely to recovery anything as the kid is judgement proof.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Thu Sep 24, 2020 12:22 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:Also why hasn't gaige been charged yet?

Because the media is what decides what is right and wrong now and the media has declared he did nothing wrong.
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Postby New Visayan Islands » Thu Sep 24, 2020 1:35 am

Loben III wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Partner of Man Killed in Kenosha, Three Others Sue Facebook, Militia Groups, Rittenhouse



Sounds frivolous.
Also why hasn't gaige been charged yet?


money says he aint the only guy she was fuckin.

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Postby Valrifell » Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:32 am

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Grinning Dragon wrote:Also why hasn't gaige been charged yet?

Because the media is what decides what is right and wrong now and the media has declared he did nothing wrong.


But is not the media also allegedly against the police who declared the shooters of Breonna Taylor did wrong? And they got off, yes?

So which is it.
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:52 pm

Loben III wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Partner of Man Killed in Kenosha, Three Others Sue Facebook, Militia Groups, Rittenhouse



Sounds frivolous.
Also why hasn't gaige been charged yet?


money says he aint the only guy she was fuckin.

Well, to be fair, Huber was thrice charged with domestic violence against his life-partners in the past.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:49 pm

Valrifell wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:Because the media is what decides what is right and wrong now and the media has declared he did nothing wrong.


But is not the media also allegedly against the police who declared the shooters of Breonna Taylor did wrong? And they got off, yes?
So which is it.

Except they haven't gotten off, if you haven't noticed the town where it happened is in chaos right now and two cops were shot, you can't claim that's not an ample punishment towards the government for not ruling how they "Should have". You think two cops getting shot and a city on fire is 'getting off'?'

If they had decided to prosecute Gaige there likely would have been tons of articles about how they're prosecuting a hero who was trying to stop the "Fascist" Rittenhouse from killing people.

Do you really think the city of Kenosha can really handle another round of riots caused by the above articles coming out?

I mean they already know that no matter the verdict towards Rittenhouse they're going to have more violent rioters burning the town down but at this point I can't see why they simply decided to let injustice pass because they decided keeping the city burning down more is more important than justice.

Just like they're prosecuting Rittenhouse as a form of appeasement too.

Kenosha is weaker than Knoxville, Knoxville can handle more rioting, Kenosha can't.
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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:07 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
But is not the media also allegedly against the police who declared the shooters of Breonna Taylor did wrong? And they got off, yes?
So which is it.

Except they haven't gotten off, if you haven't noticed the town where it happened is in chaos right now and two cops were shot, you can't claim that's not an ample punishment towards the government for not ruling how they "Should have". You think two cops getting shot and a city on fire is 'getting off'?'

If they had decided to prosecute Gaige there likely would have been tons of articles about how they're prosecuting a hero who was trying to stop the "Fascist" Rittenhouse from killing people.

Do you really think the city of Kenosha can really handle another round of riots caused by the above articles coming out?

I mean they already know that no matter the verdict towards Rittenhouse they're going to have more violent rioters burning the town down but at this point I can't see why they simply decided to let injustice pass because they decided keeping the city burning down more is more important than justice.

Just like they're prosecuting Rittenhouse as a form of appeasement too.

Kenosha is weaker than Knoxville, Knoxville can handle more rioting, Kenosha can't.


There are so many problems with the situation.

I really do point to the media. Where is Ari Melber of MSNBC to say yeah Kyle was a dumbass for being there but he meets the definition of self defense ? Where is Mike Sacks of Huffpost ? Or Jeffrey Toobin of CNN ? Maybe I am wrong maybe I misunderstood some fact. If the more liberal leaning news sites could trot out there legal talking heads and have them explain why this is clearly murder and not self defense I would love to hear it. You would think these news organization would relish the chance to show the kid was guilty. And if they can't then it becomes their duty to report on it and explain hey guys not everyone on our side is good and not everyone on their side is a abject monster so when this kid inevitable walks people don't riot yet again.

The next issue I have is the judicial system is not nor should it be a political system. If it looks like the prosecutor can get a conviction and it meets other criteria then he should bring charges if not then the prosecutor needs to not bring charges and explain why. He has that fancy law degree he can use it to explain thing to people. The judicial branch is the last remaining branch that people have some limited faith in. If we turn it into just another political tool that will be gone soon.
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The Lone Alliance wrote:Kenosha is weaker than Knoxville, Knoxville can handle more rioting, Kenosha can't.

Well, hopefully when the chief of police says they need 1500 Nat'l gaurd to show up to help bolster their 30 person police force thy won;t get short-strung with only 300 like they did the first time.

Just looking at that shortfall in manpower, it is no wonder why the law enforcement tolerated armed groups so long as they stayed on their own respective turfs.

Trying to contain a riot with 30 to 330 people is a lot different than with 1500+ people and plentiful armored support (air support if thigs get really uppity... pretty sure the WANG still has some OA-10Cs in inventory).
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Greed and Death wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:Except they haven't gotten off, if you haven't noticed the town where it happened is in chaos right now and two cops were shot, you can't claim that's not an ample punishment towards the government for not ruling how they "Should have". You think two cops getting shot and a city on fire is 'getting off'?'

If they had decided to prosecute Gaige there likely would have been tons of articles about how they're prosecuting a hero who was trying to stop the "Fascist" Rittenhouse from killing people.

Do you really think the city of Kenosha can really handle another round of riots caused by the above articles coming out?

I mean they already know that no matter the verdict towards Rittenhouse they're going to have more violent rioters burning the town down but at this point I can't see why they simply decided to let injustice pass because they decided keeping the city burning down more is more important than justice.

Just like they're prosecuting Rittenhouse as a form of appeasement too.

Kenosha is weaker than Knoxville, Knoxville can handle more rioting, Kenosha can't.


There are so many problems with the situation.

I really do point to the media. Where is Ari Melber of MSNBC to say yeah Kyle was a dumbass for being there but he meets the definition of self defense ?
From what I can see Ari Melber believes Kyle to be a Vigilante, which means he believes that Kyle was there intending to kill people. That's not self defense.

Greed and Death wrote:Where is Mike Sacks of Huffpost ?
Mike Sacks hasn't made a Huffpost article in years from what I can see. Instead the official article about the shooting says that all they knew is that "There was some shooting" he ran and then he just opened fire on two people trying to "Confront him".

Yeah that's their entire article about the shooting. That he shot someone and then he shot two more people for the crime of confronting him for shooting someone else, no mention that they assaulted him, no mention that the first man assaulted him too, yeah really sounds like they agree it was self defense. /s
Then in the latter article where they actually tried to claim it could have been self defense they link to an article about how all three victims were actually wonderful family men who loved everyone.

There has yet to be any articles in Huffpost indicating that all three gentlemen who were shot were in the process of assaulting him when they were shot, no indication that one of them was armed. Nothing about another person firing during the first shooting, nothing to give any indication that they actually believe he acted in self defense, instead it looks like that they believe that that he was a brutal murderer who shot three "Family men" who were trying to confront him, supposedly peacefully.

Greed and Death wrote:Or Jeffrey Toobin of CNN?

He thinks Kyle was a "Pro Trump Vigilante" according to his article in the New Yorker, Vigilantes do not act in self defense.

Greed and Death wrote:Maybe I am wrong maybe I misunderstood some fact. If the more liberal leaning news sites could trot out there legal talking heads and have them explain why this is clearly murder and not self defense I would love to hear it. You would think these news organization would relish the chance to show the kid was guilty.
Sure looks like the "Liberal media" (In reality they are more corporate media) believe he was an armed Vigilante who was premeditately looking for people to shoot.

Just like the Conservative Media believes he's some kind of hero.

They're both wrong.

Greed and Death wrote:And if they can't then it becomes their duty to report on it and explain hey guys not everyone on our side is good and not everyone on their side is a abject monster so when this kid inevitable walks people don't riot yet again.
And you know people are going to inevitably riot again.

Greed and Death wrote:The next issue I have is the judicial system is not nor should it be a political system. If it looks like the prosecutor can get a conviction and it meets other criteria then he should bring charges if not then the prosecutor needs to not bring charges and explain why. He has that fancy law degree he can use it to explain thing to people.

That worked so well in Knoxville. :roll:

Greed and Death wrote:The judicial branch is the last remaining branch that people have some limited faith in. If we turn it into just another political tool that will be gone soon.

It's too late when it comes to that matter, we already have a politically biased Judicial system, hell look at this current supreme court fight, the fight is that everyone wants the Judicial system to be biased politically in their favor.
GOP is pretty much openly admitting they want to replace RBG before the election so the court is in their favor.
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Postby Glorious Hong Kong » Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:58 am

A new 11-min-long video by a pro-Rittenhouse group calling itself #FightBack has been released exonerating Kyle of all wrongdoing. I hesitate to link to the video here because it contains borderline graphic content. Not exactly explicit, but borderline. It's on YouTube.
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Glorious Hong Kong wrote:A new 11-min-long video by a pro-Rittenhouse group calling itself #FightBack has been released exonerating Kyle of all wrongdoing. I hesitate to link to the video here because it contains borderline graphic content. Not exactly explicit, but borderline. It's on YouTube.


Is it by people who actually realize the truth of the situation that Rittenhouse was simply in the wrong place and the wrong time and exercised his right to defend himself in a bad situation? Or is it from those people who deludedly think that Rittenhouse is some kind of revolutionary vanguard who bravely acted as a warrior against anarchists?
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Glorious Hong Kong wrote:A new 11-min-long video by a pro-Rittenhouse group calling itself #FightBack has been released exonerating Kyle of all wrongdoing. I hesitate to link to the video here because it contains borderline graphic content. Not exactly explicit, but borderline. It's on YouTube.


Is it by people who actually realize the truth of the situation that Rittenhouse was simply in the wrong place and the wrong time and exercised his right to defend himself in a bad situation? Or is it from those people who deludedly think that Rittenhouse is some kind of revolutionary vanguard who bravely acted as a warrior against anarchists?


I believe it's probably the latter. I think it was stupid of him to be there in the first place, but since he was there, he had to defend himself when things got out of hand. He's not the smartest hero, but he's a hero nonetheless.
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Is it by people who actually realize the truth of the situation that Rittenhouse was simply in the wrong place and the wrong time and exercised his right to defend himself in a bad situation? Or is it from those people who deludedly think that Rittenhouse is some kind of revolutionary vanguard who bravely acted as a warrior against anarchists?


I believe it's probably the latter. I think it was stupid of him to be there in the first place, but since he was there, he had to defend himself when things got out of hand. He's not the smartest hero, but he's a hero nonetheless.


I don't think he was a hero. He was just a kid in a bad situation, and is lucky not to be dead.
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I believe it's probably the latter. I think it was stupid of him to be there in the first place, but since he was there, he had to defend himself when things got out of hand. He's not the smartest hero, but he's a hero nonetheless.


I don't think he was a hero. He was just a kid in a bad situation, and is lucky not to be dead.

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Postby Oerkar » Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:17 am

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Glorious Hong Kong wrote:A new 11-min-long video by a pro-Rittenhouse group calling itself #FightBack has been released exonerating Kyle of all wrongdoing. I hesitate to link to the video here because it contains borderline graphic content. Not exactly explicit, but borderline. It's on YouTube.


Is it by people who actually realize the truth of the situation that Rittenhouse was simply in the wrong place and the wrong time and exercised his right to defend himself in a bad situation? Or is it from those people who deludedly think that Rittenhouse is some kind of revolutionary vanguard who bravely acted as a warrior against anarchists?


Breonna Taylor still needs her justice.The courts want to protect the safety of racist police who have no deescalation training. It’s all about lack of training.Half the Kenosha Police Department should be fired.Most of us if still want some justice.

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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:21 am

Galloism wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
I don't think he was a hero. He was just a kid in a bad situation, and is lucky not to be dead.

Pretty much this.


Honestly, I kind of hate that the Right are trying to use this kid as a symbol. Because that's just going to put more of a target on his back, and lead opponents to the Right to thinking he really was some kind of aggressor (like our resident leftists continue to try to spin the incident as).

This kid only did what anyone would have done in that same situation, or could reasonably be expected to do. He should be allowed to step out of the headlights of the culture and allowed to live in peace.
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