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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:49 pm

Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:The anarchists seem to be the ones calling anything that doesn't live up to their expectation as "not REAL anarchism!".

Also, your comparison is comically weak. Democracy is practiced across the world, in nations both powerful and not. Anarchism exists only in some random region of nowhere and in the heads of LARPers and edgy 16 year olds. Democracy works and is a realistic philosophy. Anarchism is not.


I accept that the syndicates of Catalonia and the Black army of Ukraine were anarchists. What do you think was anarchist that you think anarchists don't think were anarchist?

4 or 5 hundred years ago, someone might have said this about universal suffrage:
Timocracy is practiced across the world, in nations both powerful and not. Universal suffrage exists only in some random region of nowhere and in the heads of LARPers and edgy 16 year olds. Timocracy works and is a realistic philosophy. Universal suffrage is not.

Unlike universal suffrage, anarchism has not lasted after it's implementation. Universal suffrage is now widely practiced and hasn't failed after it was implemented. Anarchism had it's chance to prove itself, and it failed. Try again.

I've heard some anarchists call Catalonia and the Black Army anarchist, but when someone points out a shortcoming, they'll change their tune. Anarchism, until it starts failing.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:51 pm

Galloism wrote:Ok guys, no one was trying to create an anarchistic society in Kenosha, nor move the entire town of Kenosha to Mexico. Thread topic is thataway.

Be a lot more interesting if they were. But fine.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:52 pm

Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:
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not really anarchists then.


Anarchism is more broad than what you think it means.

Once again, I find people have a surprisingly strong desire to gatekeep what constitutes anarchism, to the point of pushing the term to a point of uselessness.

Almost like they've already decided that anarchism must be bad so they're re-defining anything that isn't bad enough as not really anarchism.
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Postby Galloism » Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:54 pm

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Galloism wrote:Ok guys, no one was trying to create an anarchistic society in Kenosha, nor move the entire town of Kenosha to Mexico. Thread topic is thataway.


regarding your previous post it does seem very much premeditated, and i wouldnt be surprised if they are more careful in the future regarding who is filming their rampages.

I think they intended to rough the kid up for putting out their fire. They didn't think he'd have the guts to shoot them - they could take his gun, beat him within an inch of his life, and leave him there.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:56 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:
Anarchism is more broad than what you think it means.

Once again, I find people have a surprisingly strong desire to gatekeep what constitutes anarchism, to the point of pushing the term to a point of uselessness.

Almost like they've already decided that anarchism must be bad so they're re-defining anything that isn't bad enough as not really anarchism.

I'd be inclined to believe this if anarchists didn't delude themselves into thinking everything they ever did was some rainbow happy land. Once they admit to having blood on their hands just like us, then we can talk.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:01 pm

Galloism wrote:Ok guys, no one was trying to create an anarchistic society in Kenosha, nor move the entire town of Kenosha to Mexico. Thread topic is thataway.

Right then let me just repost my original point, that Kenosha has actually been bad for protesters and activism in general thanks to said anarchists and criminal rioters.

The Lone Alliance wrote:Criminal elements showed up early on and quickly derailed any chance at peaceful protests because they wanted to destroy things, the support in the community has been mixed and many minority businesses were hurt, and with a lot of the rioters being clearly white it kind of hurts the image that they're there for BLM , and then when the media finally got their "Racist mass shooter" the narrative is completely against what they expected.
Instead of a "20 something skinhead gunning down innocent minorities" it's a "17 year old with no history of extremist support getting chased and assaulted by a bunch of white felons".


And now it looks like some of the media is starting to turn against the protests because of the polls.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:01 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Almost like they've already decided that anarchism must be bad so they're re-defining anything that isn't bad enough as not really anarchism.

I'd be inclined to believe this if anarchists didn't delude themselves into thinking everything they ever did was some rainbow happy land. Once they admit to having blood on their hands just like us, then we can talk.

You could only believe that people lie about anarchists and anarchism to maintain their preconceptions about anarchism if anarchists meet all these conditions of yours?

That's silly.
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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:02 pm

Why are we being pedantic about anarchism, is that really what matters here?

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:03 pm

Major-Tom wrote:Why are we being pedantic about anarchism, is that really what matters here?

We have to own the anarchists online or they'll come and burn down my toothbrush!
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:04 pm

Major-Tom wrote:Why are we being pedantic about anarchism, is that really what matters here?

Yes. Those fools have forgotten the need for the vanguard party. :p
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:05 pm

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Major-Tom wrote:Why are we being pedantic about anarchism, is that really what matters here?

We have to own the anarchists online or they'll come and burn down my toothbrush!

Our toothbrush, comrade.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:08 pm

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West Leas Oros 2 wrote:I'd be inclined to believe this if anarchists didn't delude themselves into thinking everything they ever did was some rainbow happy land. Once they admit to having blood on their hands just like us, then we can talk.

You could only believe that people lie about anarchists and anarchism to maintain their preconceptions about anarchism if anarchists meet all these conditions of yours?

That's silly.

Nobody is lying except the anarchists themselves. Stop acting like the ideology is all sunshine and daisies. They're so quick to point out the shortcomings of other systems, but then wank off about how perfect they are.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:14 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Ifreann wrote:You could only believe that people lie about anarchists and anarchism to maintain their preconceptions about anarchism if anarchists meet all these conditions of yours?

That's silly.

Nobody is lying except the anarchists themselves. Stop acting like the ideology is all sunshine and daisies. They're so quick to point out the shortcomings of other systems, but then wank off about how perfect they are.

Yeah, it's only the anarchists who are lying, we can trust Trump and Biden about anarchists and anarchism, they must be telling the truth because they're not dirty lying anarchists.

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Postby The Lone Alliance » Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:18 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Ifreann wrote:You could only believe that people lie about anarchists and anarchism to maintain their preconceptions about anarchism if anarchists meet all these conditions of yours?

That's silly.

Nobody is lying except the anarchists themselves. Stop acting like the ideology is all sunshine and daisies. They're so quick to point out the shortcomings of other systems, but then wank off about how perfect they are.

And now thanks to their stupid behavior they've possibly hurt BLM's attempt at actually getting social reform.

Then again they likely barely cared about BLM in the first place, they simply jumped on board because they thought it could jumpstart the "Revolution".
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Postby Loben III » Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:19 pm

Ifreann wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Nobody is lying except the anarchists themselves. Stop acting like the ideology is all sunshine and daisies. They're so quick to point out the shortcomings of other systems, but then wank off about how perfect they are.

Yeah, it's only the anarchists who are lying, we can trust Trump and Biden about anarchists and anarchism, they must be telling the truth because they're not dirty lying anarchists.

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Postby Israeli Defense Force » Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:23 pm

Kowani wrote:…In what world can you justify holding someone still, and then shooting them in the back 7 times?

... possibly where he's an armed criminal who has committed sexual assault and is resisting arrest and reaching into a vehicle after you've attempted non-lethal ways to stop him?

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Oh yeah that's straight up attempted murder. The dude isn't complying sure, but the cop makes pretty much no effort to even try and stop him and just goes right to trying to kill him.

The police deployed tasers twice.

Police in the USA are trained with the video of Kyle Dinkheller as a cautionary tale. And Jacob Blake admitted he had a weapon. He could have just taken the hint after the tasers and stopped.

It's sad it came to him being shot, but it's on him for being an armed sex criminal resisting arrest. At least his ex is safe from him trying to sexually assault her again.

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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:27 pm

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West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Nobody is lying except the anarchists themselves. Stop acting like the ideology is all sunshine and daisies. They're so quick to point out the shortcomings of other systems, but then wank off about how perfect they are.

Yeah, it's only the anarchists who are lying, we can trust Trump and Biden about anarchists and anarchism, they must be telling the truth because they're not dirty lying anarchists.

:roll:

Who the fuck mentioned Biden and Trump? Everything i've said about anarchists is from the anarchists themselves. Stop being dense and accept that Anarchism isn't some innocent utopia. They're bloody, same as the communists, the capitalists, the fascists, the monarchists, and all the others. Stop wanking about how the only thing they do wrong is "being too nice uwu" "we're the only good ideology, the others are mean old statist murderers!".
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:27 pm

Israeli Defense Force wrote:The police deployed tasers twice.

Police in the USA are trained with the video of Kyle Dinkheller as a cautionary tale. And Jacob Blake admitted he had a weapon. He could have just taken the hint after the tasers and stopped.

It's sad it came to him being shot, but it's on him for being an armed sex criminal resisting arrest. At least his ex is safe from him trying to sexually assault her again.


He was casually walking away from them and they could have done a takedown at any time. The cops in this incident were huge pussies and nothing more, charge them with murder and send them off for a fewdecades.
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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:28 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:Why are we being pedantic about anarchism, is that really what matters here?

We have to own the anarchists online or they'll come and burn down my toothbrush!


As a distinguished student at Prager University, I'm afraid I don't understand, for I only know how to own the libs.

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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:30 pm

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Ifreann wrote:Yeah, it's only the anarchists who are lying, we can trust Trump and Biden about anarchists and anarchism, they must be telling the truth because they're not dirty lying anarchists.

:roll:


and you know what is the truth and what is a lie?

Of course! because anyone who dares call my belief unfeasable or utopian is a statist, tankie, nazi! Anarchists have never done anything wrong! And if they have, it wasn't REAL anarchism! /s
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Postby Kowani » Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:32 pm

Israeli Defense Force wrote:
Kowani wrote:…In what world can you justify holding someone still, and then shooting them in the back 7 times?

... possibly where he's an armed criminal who has committed sexual assault and is resisting arrest and reaching into a vehicle after you've attempted non-lethal ways to stop him?
What are takedowns lol

Police in the USA are trained with the video of Kyle Dinkheller as a cautionary tale.
We should stop doing that, by the way.
And Jacob Blake admitted he had a weapon. He could have just taken the hint after the tasers and stopped.

It's sad it came to him being shot, but it's on him for being an armed sex criminal resisting arrest. At least his ex is safe from him trying to sexually assault her again.

"Armed" and "weapon in the floor of the vehicle" are not synonyms.

And for that matter, he wasn't convicted of any supposed sex crimes. Whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty?"
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:58 pm

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Galloism wrote:Ok guys, no one was trying to create an anarchistic society in Kenosha, nor move the entire town of Kenosha to Mexico. Thread topic is thataway.

Be a lot more interesting if they were. But fine.


I feel like it wouldn't be that interesting if they tried CHAZ 2.0.

Probably just get a few more people killed for literally no reason.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:06 pm

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West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Be a lot more interesting if they were. But fine.


I feel like it wouldn't be that interesting if they tried CHAZ 2.0.

Probably just get a few more people killed for literally no reason.

I said interesting, not good. Having a quiet, peaceful day is good, but not particularly thrilling. But I think the people of Kenosha have had enough "excitement".
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West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
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I feel like it wouldn't be that interesting if they tried CHAZ 2.0.

Probably just get a few more people killed for literally no reason.

I said interesting, not good. Having a quiet, peaceful day is good, but not particularly thrilling. But I think the people of Kenosha have had enough "excitement".


I mean, CHAZ in general was kind of meh.

Kind of hilarious to see their attempt at gardening though.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:15 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:I said interesting, not good. Having a quiet, peaceful day is good, but not particularly thrilling. But I think the people of Kenosha have had enough "excitement".


I mean, CHAZ in general was kind of meh.

Kind of hilarious to see their attempt at gardening though.

"6/10"

"The murders were a huge turn off"

"Too short, felt rushed"

"Lacked direction, came off as uninspired"

"Forgettable"

I could do this all day.
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