Violence Outbreak in Kenosha WI

[Salus Maior]

https://www.rt.com/usa/498867-kenosha-shooting-criminal-record/



Just to provide context. I agree the police need some reform but rioting for someone who engages in domestic abuse and sexual assault is a bad look for sure.

Even if that is true, that doesn't mean that the police have free reign to shoot people multiple times in the back at point blank.

It's not about the victims in particular for me and whether they were good or bad people doesn't matter, it's about the police's shoddiness and abusiveness which is a threat to everyone and a disgrace to the purpose of the police force.

[San Lumen]

Lmao dude, you are absolutely ridiculous. How many incidents between citizens and cops are there yearly? How many of those have the cop acting terribly? A very small amount.

The answer to those is:

Tens of thousands, and thousands respectively.

Which is far too high a rate. We can and should be able to demand a higher standard from cops. Instead, it happens over and over again that the cops act terribly, and then the police forces try to cover for the bad apples unless, occasionally, when there is mass public outrage. That is not good enough.

What organizations would those be?

I’m not saying it’s the end all but it is a big step towards fixing the problem

Police Departments. Which are about the only law enforcement around, yet to run for sheriff you need to have a background in one.

As for law, many of them have backgrounds in criminal law, which entails frequent collaboration with police.

That doesn’t mean a district attorney can’t prosecute police for wrongdoing. The brotherhood among cops needs to stop as well.

It’s pathetic and sad they expect blind support no matter what they do

[Salus Maior]

The brotherhood among cops needs to stop as well

You can't really stop a natural process. People who are in a rough situation, whether it's workers or military or whatever, they will bond over their shared struggles and experiences.

[San Lumen]

The brotherhood among cops needs to stop as well

You can't really stop a natural process. People who are in a rough situation, whether it's workers or military or whatever, they will bond over their shared struggles and experiences.

They ought to start criticizing their fellow officers and stop this blind support no matter what

[Salus Maior]

You can't really stop a natural process. People who are in a rough situation, whether it's workers or military or whatever, they will bond over their shared struggles and experiences.

They ought to start criticizing their fellow officers and stop this blind support no matter what

Saying the same thing again in a different way isn't really going to change anything.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

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Just to provide context. I agree the police need some reform but rioting for someone who engages in domestic abuse and sexual assault is a bad look for sure.

And the usual pieces of dog shit in the right wing media are already digging up dirt on a dead man. Once again ladies and gents, I'm so thankful that cop last summer didn't pull a couple bullet holes in me and my brother or they would be talking all over fox news about fights I got in when I was like 12 or something. Since no one is a Saint, theyll always find justifications for why "that nig- i mean bad person had to die."

[San Lumen]

They ought to start criticizing their fellow officers and stop this blind support no matter what

Saying the same thing again in a different way isn't really going to change anything.

It needs to change. The actions of some comes during the protests was atrocious and their fellow officers saying nothing makes them complicit in those actions

[Vassenor]

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Just to provide context. I agree the police need some reform but rioting for someone who engages in domestic abuse and sexual assault is a bad look for sure.

And there we go with the "here's something in their past that makes what the cops did OK" shit.

[The Black Forrest]

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Just to provide context. I agree the police need some reform but rioting for someone who engages in domestic abuse and sexual assault is a bad look for sure.

Ok? He was an asshole. How does that justify seven in the back?

[San Lumen]

https://www.rt.com/usa/498867-kenosha-shooting-criminal-record/



Just to provide context. I agree the police need some reform but rioting for someone who engages in domestic abuse and sexual assault is a bad look for sure.

Ok? He was an asshole. How does that justify seven in the back?

It doesn’t

[Borderlands of Rojava]

They ought to start criticizing their fellow officers and stop this blind support no matter what

Saying the same thing again in a different way isn't really going to change anything.

If the police aren't gonna change from within and are gonna be complicit in the abuse perpetrated by their fellow officers, i would appreciate if they'd shut the fuck up about "why does everybody hate us and treat us like the enemy?" You wear the same patch as a man who killed a young boy, and a man who you aided in planting a gun on the dead kid, so yes you are the enemy.

I've said it before. These departments are free to come to the table and make peace, but they won't, and they have the nerve to complain that peace hasn't been made when they wont even try.

[Major-Tom]

The video is nightmarish. I feel awful for his kids, man, who had to witness that in the car. I can't imagine how that must feel.

I'll concede - I don't know the circumstances as to why the man was accosted by police. I don't know why he felt the need to walk around into his car. But he was unarmed and not acting outwardly dangerous. So why the fuck did they have to shoot him, point blank, in the fucking back that many times? That's not de-escalation, that's a god-damned execution. I hope those fucking cowards see their day in court.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

https://www.rt.com/usa/498867-kenosha-shooting-criminal-record/



Just to provide context. I agree the police need some reform but rioting for someone who engages in domestic abuse and sexual assault is a bad look for sure.

Ok? He was an asshole. How does that justify seven in the back?

What RT really meant to say was he's black, and therefore his life has no value in their eyes except for target practice apparently. They wouldn't be doing this if he was white, and they never do.

[Major-Tom]

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Just to provide context. I agree the police need some reform but rioting for someone who engages in domestic abuse and sexual assault is a bad look for sure.

I don't care if he was a jerk or if he was an angel, the story remains, if you're unarmed and not posing a direct threat to law enforcement, you don't deserve an attempted execution. Period.

[Salus Maior]

Saying the same thing again in a different way isn't really going to change anything.

It needs to change. The actions of some comes during the protests was atrocious and their fellow officers saying nothing makes them complicit in those actions

The best way of ensuring that is probably building the community of officers from the ground up to create a better culture. I wouldn't know how to do that, but one way or another they're going to form their own sort of brotherhood because that's what naturally happens. You would have to find a way to ensure that the brotherhood is promoting positive police work rather than coverups.

[Ifreann]

Another one? What is with cops and shooting or killing unarmed people? Enough already. One way to put an end to this is to elect new mayors, district attorneys and sheriffs

That won't stop cops from going around trying to execute people.

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They won't happen if the police force stops being a threat to society.

Lmao dude, you are absolutely ridiculous. How many incidents between citizens and cops are there yearly? How many of those have the cop acting terribly? A very small amount.

Anyways, it seems this guy wanted suicide by cop. He supposedly had a warrant out on him, had known history of being armed, had a history of fighting with police and other violence...and despite all this was given every opportunity to comply. Instead he chooses to continue towards and reach into his vehicle.

Despite all the shit on him...and despite all the shit going down in the country right now where people are what seemingly seems like high alert. This dude was either stupid, made a terrible mistake, or wanted to get shot.

I see the "He's no angel" crowd are already trying to justify an attempted murder.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

It needs to change. The actions of some comes during the protests was atrocious and their fellow officers saying nothing makes them complicit in those actions

The best way of ensuring that is probably building the community of officers from the ground up to create a better culture. I wouldn't know how to do that, but one way or another they're going to form their own sort of brotherhood because that's what naturally happens. You would have to find a way to ensure that the brotherhood is promoting positive police work rather than coverups.

If my actual brother shot and killed an innocent man, I would turn him in. These cops can do the same for their metaphorical brothers.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

They won't happen if the police force stops being a threat to society.

Lmao dude, you are absolutely ridiculous. How many incidents between citizens and cops are there yearly? How many of those have the cop acting terribly? A very small amount.

Anyways, it seems this guy wanted suicide by cop. He supposedly had a warrant out on him, had known history of being armed, had a history of fighting with police and other violence...and despite all this was given every opportunity to comply. Instead he chooses to continue towards and reach into his vehicle.

Despite all the shit on him...and despite all the shit going down in the country right now where people are what seemingly seems like high alert. This dude was either stupid, made a terrible mistake, or wanted to get shot.

They shot him in the back. What part of that do you not understand?

And you're right, the cops kill few unarmed people. When everything includimg screw drivers, pocket knives, bb guns and peper spray is a weapon, youll get alot of "armed people killed by cops," and that isn't including people beaten up or shaken down by dirty feds either. Come back when you dont have to straight up lie about the situation just to justify what these creeps did.

[Salus Maior]

The best way of ensuring that is probably building the community of officers from the ground up to create a better culture. I wouldn't know how to do that, but one way or another they're going to form their own sort of brotherhood because that's what naturally happens. You would have to find a way to ensure that the brotherhood is promoting positive police work rather than coverups.

If my actual brother shot and killed an innocent man, I would turn him in. These cops can do the same for their metaphorical brothers.

If it were that simple it would have been done already and we wouldn't have this problem.

This anecdote, which I'm sure is an honest representation of your feelings and moral compass, isn't exactly helpful because you're not a cop, and a member of the cop culture. You don't have the same point of view and shared experiences.

[Galloism]

https://www.rt.com/usa/498867-kenosha-shooting-criminal-record/



Just to provide context. I agree the police need some reform but rioting for someone who engages in domestic abuse and sexual assault is a bad look for sure.

I don't care if he was a jerk or if he was an angel, the story remains, if you're unarmed and not posing a direct threat to law enforcement, you don't deserve an attempted execution. Period.

Direct threat to law enforcement or another person (you’d like the police to protect the public, generally speaking), but otherwise this here.

I don’t care if the person is President Xi, he deserves a trial.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

If my actual brother shot and killed an innocent man, I would turn him in. These cops can do the same for their metaphorical brothers.

If it were that simple it would have been done already and we wouldn't have this problem.

This anecdote, which I'm sure is an honest representation of your feelings and moral compass, isn't exactly helpful because you're not a cop, and a member of the cop culture. You don't have the same point of view and shared experiences.

Fine. Maybe they ought to just accept then that people hate them for a reason, even if they as an individual didn't do all the horrible things the department they belong to has done.

[Major-Tom]

If my actual brother shot and killed an innocent man, I would turn him in. These cops can do the same for their metaphorical brothers.

If it were that simple it would have been done already and we wouldn't have this problem.

This anecdote, which I'm sure is an honest representation of your feelings and moral compass, isn't exactly helpful because you're not a cop, and a member of the cop culture. You don't have the same point of view and shared experiences.

From the outside looking in, it's easy to see why people are usually disgusted at cop culture, right? At least here in the US?

[Salus Maior]

If it were that simple it would have been done already and we wouldn't have this problem.

This anecdote, which I'm sure is an honest representation of your feelings and moral compass, isn't exactly helpful because you're not a cop, and a member of the cop culture. You don't have the same point of view and shared experiences.

Fine. Maybe they ought to just accept then that people hate them for a reason, even if they as an individual didn't do all the horrible things the department they belong to has done.

Yes, I'm not denying that there is shared culpability.

From the outside looking in, it's easy to see why people are usually disgusted at cop culture, right? At least here in the US?

Yes, it is.

However, like America itself, I doubt there is a unitary "cop culture". There are of course commonalities, but I'm willing to bet each department forms its own distinct culture.

Which is how you get some departments who march with protesters, and others that don't.

[San Lumen]

Another one? What is with cops and shooting or killing unarmed people? Enough already. One way to put an end to this is to elect new mayors, district attorneys and sheriffs

That won't stop cops from going around trying to execute people.

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Lmao dude, you are absolutely ridiculous. How many incidents between citizens and cops are there yearly? How many of those have the cop acting terribly? A very small amount.

Anyways, it seems this guy wanted suicide by cop. He supposedly had a warrant out on him, had known history of being armed, had a history of fighting with police and other violence...and despite all this was given every opportunity to comply. Instead he chooses to continue towards and reach into his vehicle.

Despite all the shit on him...and despite all the shit going down in the country right now where people are what seemingly seems like high alert. This dude was either stupid, made a terrible mistake, or wanted to get shot.

I see the "He's no angel" crowd are already trying to justify an attempted murder.

Electing new district attorneys and sheriffs would go a long way towards reform

[Aeritai]

Yeah those officers were out of line the man was unarmed and there was no need to shoot him in the back. Had they simply taser him all of this could've been avoided, but since this happen these protest are only going to get worst unless we reform the Police Departments.

Especially better training on how to deal with a unarmed criminal that doesn't require the use of deadly force.