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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:16 am

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Couldn't they just wheel the bed out of the hospital?


They could, but that's a lot more cumbersome and attention grabbing. Especially if the dude is handcuffed to it.

Not really. They could just wheel the bed out even if he wasn't handcuffed so it wouldn't change how much attention grabbing and cumbersome it would be.

But either way, it's still an utterly ridiculous plan that would be attention grabbing wheelchair or bed, cuffs or no cuffs.

Do these officers have any sense of logic to see that dumping 7 bullets into someone is overkill and cuffing a disabled person to the bed is silly?

I've said this before but this seems like it would be something the Onion would post.

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Postby Telconi » Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:19 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
They could, but that's a lot more cumbersome and attention grabbing. Especially if the dude is handcuffed to it.

Not really. They could just wheel the bed out even if he wasn't handcuffed so it wouldn't change how much attention grabbing and cumbersome it would be.

But either way, it's still an utterly ridiculous plan that would be attention grabbing wheelchair or bed, cuffs or no cuffs.

Do these officers have any sense of logic to see that dumping 7 bullets into someone is overkill and cuffing a disabled person to the bed is silly?

I've said this before but this seems like it would be something the Onion would post.


It's unlikely they care rather it's silly or not, those are the rules.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:21 am

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Not really. They could just wheel the bed out even if he wasn't handcuffed so it wouldn't change how much attention grabbing and cumbersome it would be.

But either way, it's still an utterly ridiculous plan that would be attention grabbing wheelchair or bed, cuffs or no cuffs.

Do these officers have any sense of logic to see that dumping 7 bullets into someone is overkill and cuffing a disabled person to the bed is silly?

I've said this before but this seems like it would be something the Onion would post.


It's unlikely they care rather it's silly or not, those are the rules.

Every rule has an exception. Rules are not absolute. Cuffing a person who can't get out of bed without help to the bed is ludicrous.

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Postby Telconi » Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:22 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Telconi wrote:
It's unlikely they care rather it's silly or not, those are the rules.

Every rule has an exception. Rules are not absolute. Cuffing a person who can't get out of bed without help to the bed is ludicrous.


Do they? Does this one? Do you have any sauce on that?
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:23 am

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San Lumen wrote:What gives you that impression? They elected an African American as Lieutenant Governor in 2018.


I know people who lived there? They outright predicted that violence would happen if protests broke out, before the violence.


And if a signifiant number of the state had racist beliefs Mr. Barnes would not be Lt. Governor

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San Lumen wrote:and that would certainly make the community trust them after that. A DA that dragged their feet on the murder of the mayor should be removed from office.


Sounds awfully anti-democratic of you, my dude.


Impeachment is a thing.

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Postby Telconi » Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:24 am

San Lumen wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
I know people who lived there? They outright predicted that violence would happen if protests broke out, before the violence.


And if a signifiant number of the state had racist beliefs Mr. Barnes would not be Lt. Governor

Telconi wrote:
Sounds awfully anti-democratic of you, my dude.


Impeachment is a thing.


So are prisons, but apparently wanting to put Newsom in jail is bad.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:25 am

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Every rule has an exception. Rules are not absolute. Cuffing a person who can't get out of bed without help to the bed is ludicrous.


Do they? Does this one? Do you have any sauce on that?

Use your best judgment on case to case even when it goes against established rules for a good reason.

The reason here is that it's excessive to handcuff a person to a bed when they can't walk away.

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Postby San Lumen » Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:26 am

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
And if a signifiant number of the state had racist beliefs Mr. Barnes would not be Lt. Governor



Impeachment is a thing.


So are prisons, but apparently wanting to put Newsom in jail is bad.

there is very fine line between why you want someone imprisoned and deliberately dragging your feet on a assassination

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Postby Telconi » Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:28 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Do they? Does this one? Do you have any sauce on that?

Use your best judgment on case to case even when it goes against established rules for a good reason.

The reason here is that it's excessive to handcuff a person to a bed when they can't walk away.


That's just foolishness, why would anyone violate their workplace policy because it's "silly". Policies are silly all the time, people are still expected to follow them.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:29 am

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
So are prisons, but apparently wanting to put Newsom in jail is bad.

there is very fine line between why you want someone imprisoned and deliberately dragging your feet on a assassination


There is?
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:36 am

Telconi wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote: Use your best judgment on case to case even when it goes against established rules for a good reason.

The reason here is that it's excessive to handcuff a person to a bed when they can't walk away.


That's just foolishness, why would anyone violate their workplace policy because it's "silly". Policies are silly all the time, people are still expected to follow them.

False equivalence. Ignoring rules that have been written in blood for worker safety is entirely different from not cuffing a disabled person to a bed.

You don't use a wood working jointer with your hands or try to unstick some wood from the machine while it's on beacuse it's entirely unsafe to do so.

However, a disabled person who can't get up from the bed poses no threat to you or anyone. So it's silly to cuff them to the bed.

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
And if a signifiant number of the state had racist beliefs Mr. Barnes would not be Lt. Governor



Impeachment is a thing.


So are prisons, but apparently wanting to put Newsom in jail is bad.

"California bad"
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:40 am

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:there is very fine line between why you want someone imprisoned and deliberately dragging your feet on a assassination


There is?

yes

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Postby Telconi » Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:42 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Telconi wrote:
That's just foolishness, why would anyone violate their workplace policy because it's "silly". Policies are silly all the time, people are still expected to follow them.

False equivalence. Ignoring rules that have been written in blood for worker safety is entirely different from not cuffing a disabled person to a bed.

You don't use a wood working jointer with your hands or try to unstick some wood from the machine while it's on beacuse it's entirely unsafe to do so.

However, a disabled person who can't get up from the bed poses no threat to you or anyone. So it's silly to cuff them to the bed.

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So are prisons, but apparently wanting to put Newsom in jail is bad.

"California bad"


Rules which don't exist for safety exist too, and employees get fired for those as much as any other.

Yes, it is.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:45 am

Telconi wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:False equivalence. Ignoring rules that have been written in blood for worker safety is entirely different from not cuffing a disabled person to a bed.

You don't use a wood working jointer with your hands or try to unstick some wood from the machine while it's on beacuse it's entirely unsafe to do so.

However, a disabled person who can't get up from the bed poses no threat to you or anyone. So it's silly to cuff them to the bed.


"California bad"


Rules which don't exist for safety exist too, and employees get fired for those as much as any other.

Yes, it is.

Just use common sense. You won't be fired for using common sense.

It's not tho.

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Postby The Emerald Legion » Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:47 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Telconi wrote:
That's just foolishness, why would anyone violate their workplace policy because it's "silly". Policies are silly all the time, people are still expected to follow them.

False equivalence. Ignoring rules that have been written in blood for worker safety is entirely different from not cuffing a disabled person to a bed.

You don't use a wood working jointer with your hands or try to unstick some wood from the machine while it's on beacuse it's entirely unsafe to do so.

However, a disabled person who can't get up from the bed poses no threat to you or anyone. So it's silly to cuff them to the bed.

Telconi wrote:
So are prisons, but apparently wanting to put Newsom in jail is bad.

"California bad"


They pose a threat to the cops if they escape and they didn't cuff them.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:47 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Rules which don't exist for safety exist too, and employees get fired for those as much as any other.

Yes, it is.

Just use common sense. You won't be fired for using common sense.

It's not tho.


Uh huh... surely people never get fired for breaking workplace rules.

You're entitled to an opinion, even if it's trash.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:47 am

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Thermodolia wrote:Because they are corrupt group of thugs that pride themselves on the code of silence. No the police wouldn’t assassinate the mayor. They’d just decided to not protect them, ya know when some violent criminal was given the ability to break in to the mayor’s house. And they’d just drag their feet on the case.

and that would certainly make the community trust them after that. A DA that dragged their feet on the murder of the mayor should be removed from office.

The cops don’t give a fuck what the community thinks even now. I didn’t say there was a murder. I said they didn’t protect them. That could be anything ranging from murder to a guy breaks into your home and fucks your shit up. Messages can be sent in millions of ways
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:48 am

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You're ignoring that this is Wisconsin. It's like the more racist Texas of the north.

What gives you that impression? They elected an African American as Lieutenant Governor in 2018.

Really dude? That’s your idea for not being racist?
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:48 am

Galloism wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:The mayor is backing the cops, the cops probably wanted the shooting to go down so they could intervene, the fact that the DA basically says that the kid acted in self defense, and the fact that DA’s frequently overcharge so people they like will walk while it looks like they are doing something.

Besides nobody is talking about Blake anymore which is another goal the city and the cops wanted

I mean, if we're going to go all tinfoil hat, what makes you think they expected the kid to survive?

They probably didn’t.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:50 am

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The Emerald Legion wrote:
I know people who lived there? They outright predicted that violence would happen if protests broke out, before the violence.


And if a signifiant number of the state had racist beliefs Mr. Barnes would not be Lt. Governor


(X) doubt

One can still hold racist beliefs, like gun control, yet still think that electing a black person to office makes them nor racist anymore
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:51 am

To be fair, he left the perimeter of the riot.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:51 am

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:and that would certainly make the community trust them after that. A DA that dragged their feet on the murder of the mayor should be removed from office.

The cops don’t give a fuck what the community thinks even now. I didn’t say there was a murder. I said they didn’t protect them. That could be anything ranging from murder to a guy breaks into your home and fucks your shit up. Messages can be sent in millions of ways


and you really think the community is going to sit idly by and respect the police after they let the mayor get killed?
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Postby Telconi » Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:53 am

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:The cops don’t give a fuck what the community thinks even now. I didn’t say there was a murder. I said they didn’t protect them. That could be anything ranging from murder to a guy breaks into your home and fucks your shit up. Messages can be sent in millions of ways


and you really think the community is going to set idly by and respect the police after they let the mayor get killed?


Depends on how much they like the mayor.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:53 am

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:The cops don’t give a fuck what the community thinks even now. I didn’t say there was a murder. I said they didn’t protect them. That could be anything ranging from murder to a guy breaks into your home and fucks your shit up. Messages can be sent in millions of ways


and you really think the community is going to set idly by and respect the police after they let the mayor get killed?


Why wouldn't they? If the community doesn't like the Mayor enough to kill them.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:53 am

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:What gives you that impression? They elected an African American as Lieutenant Governor in 2018.

Really dude? That’s your idea for not being racist?

How the heck did he get elected then if so much of the state holds racist beliefs?

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