Violence Outbreak in Kenosha WI

[Grinning Dragon]

You're right, and I concede. Kyle's actions that day should be mainstream and expected from every good American citizen, not just American heroes.

I don't know about you, but after I shoot someone, even if in self-defense, I'm not gonna run away like a criminal. I would put my hands up, the gun down and let the justice system figure things out. Look at it from the last two victims' perspective: They saw a guy shoot someone (even if you think it was in self defense, you have to admit in the moment that would have been unclear) and gave chase to disarm a man they saw as a threat to public safety, since he just shot a guy. They are the heroes of this story.

He fled due to a mob headed his way and his safety was in jeopardy, putting down his rifle would be the worst thing to do.

[Galloism]

Galloism's view is that it will be decided in court.

Who?

Me. I’m quite well thought of.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

You're right, and I concede. Kyle's actions that day should be mainstream and expected from every good American citizen, not just American heroes.

I don't know about you, but after I shoot someone, even if in self-defense, I'm not gonna run away like a criminal. I would put my hands up, the gun down and let the justice system figure things out.

When the representatives of the justice system are still a block away and there's an angry mob coming for you, I really don't think putting the gun down would be a good idea.

Running away was a better option than shooting some more people then. Even if escape wasn't likely (kid doesn't look very fit), it would at least thin out the pursuers. Into those who can run as fast or faster than him (who could be threatened or shot with the gun) and those slower (who will probably stop if they see more people getting shot, or at least would be at a distance to give more time to aim at them).

OK? Putting down the gun would be the stupid thing to do. Mowing down everyone in the parking lot, pretty bad too. Running away to try to escape or thin out the pursuers, not bad (and btw, legal). If it was me, I'd try walking backwards away from them, shouting "keep back" with the gun still levelled on them.

Or more likely I would have tried running, because that comes naturally when I'm afraid. Probably would have worked better without the tripping over.

Look at it from the last two victims' perspective: They saw a guy shoot someone (even if you think it was in self defense, you have to admit in the moment that would have been unclear) and gave chase to disarm a man they saw as a threat to public safety, since he just shot a guy. They are the heroes of this story.

I don't agree. The only hero is the police witness McGinnis, who responded to the first shooting by rendering first aid to the victim.

[The Radio Operator]

Who?

Me. I’m quite well thought of.

Are you like the paralegal of NS, is that what I'm missing?

[Senkaku]

You'd think with this open-and-shut case that this would be a mainstream viewpoint but-

Defending yourself is a morally neutral act. Why would it make him a hero?

traveling across state lines with a gun to defend yourself... hmmm

[Galloism]

Me. I’m quite well thought of.

Are you like the paralegal of NS, is that what I'm missing?

I can play one on tv.

[Galloism]

Defending yourself is a morally neutral act. Why would it make him a hero?

traveling across state lines with a gun to defend yourself... hmmm

That didn’t happen. He traveled across state lines without a gun to go to work.

[The Radio Operator]

Defending yourself is a morally neutral act. Why would it make him a hero?

traveling across state lines with a gun to defend yourself... hmmm

And defend businesses? Sounds good. Hope he got volunteer hours at school for this!

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Me. I’m quite well thought of.

Are you like the paralegal of NS, is that what I'm missing?

He's the best we've got. You DO NOT want to be in trouble with Greed and Death as your lawyer! He might get you off, but it will cost you everything including your soul

[The Radio Operator]

Are you like the paralegal of NS, is that what I'm missing?

He's the best we've got. You DO NOT want to be in trouble with Greed and Death as your lawyer! He might get you off, but it will cost you everything including your soul

I dunno bro, to me he's just as reputable as any YT content creator who can read to me WI firearms law.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

traveling across state lines with a gun to defend yourself... hmmm

And defend businesses? Sounds good. Hope he got volunteer hours at school for this!

Sort of. Community service would be more appropriate than jail. Not sure about in a school though.

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

I don't know about you, but after I shoot someone, even if in self-defense, I'm not gonna run away like a criminal. I would put my hands up, the gun down and let the justice system figure things out.

That's exactly what I would not do in a riot where an angry mob could swarm me, and for some reason, I think you wouldn't either and that you'd know better.

Look at it from the last two victims' perspective: They saw a guy shoot someone (even if you think it was in self defense, you have to admit in the moment that would have been unclear) and gave chase to disarm a man they saw as a threat to public safety, since he just shot a guy. They are the heroes of this story.

Doesn't work friend. He was running towards a police line that was clearly visible to everyone on that street. Somehow I don't believe those guys are suddenly so concerned for the safety of LEOs that they would put their lives down to protect cops from this 'gunman.'

The second man didn't try to attack him, he just tried to disarm him. Clearly, your assumption about the protestors was wrong.

You say that the protestors should have assumed that he was going to turn himself in just because he was running in the general direction of the police (clearly he wasn't too fussed about doing it, because after his first attempt, he just went back home). If they hadn't given chase, and he indeed did not intend to turn himself in, who knows what would have happened. Perhaps he would have escaped into the night, never to be found again. It's the best choice in that situation to withhold the benefit of the doubt from Rittenhouse. Also, you're surprisingly willing to paint the protestors with a broad brush despite the fact that the only person who committed acts of violence in this incident was Rittenhouse.

[Rusozak]

And defend businesses? Sounds good. Hope he got volunteer hours at school for this!

Sort of. Community service would be more appropriate than jail. Not sure about in a school though.

He's being edgy again. He's talking about shooting those people counting AS community service.

[Senkaku]

traveling across state lines with a gun to defend yourself... hmmm

That didn’t happen. He traveled across state lines without a gun to go to work.

ah, makes total sense. yeah this all seems fine then

[The Radio Operator]

And defend businesses? Sounds good. Hope he got volunteer hours at school for this!

Sort of. Community service would be more appropriate than jail. Not sure about in a school though.

Jail? Community Service? If Kyle doesn't walk free this would be an affront to the American Legal System. 'Volunteer Hours' is an anecdotal joke I'm making about how graduation in some regions require a specific amount of hours volunteered to the community, Kyle being volunteering his time to defending businesses (no info on whether he was being paid).

Sort of. Community service would be more appropriate than jail. Not sure about in a school though.

He's being edgy again. He's talking about shooting those people counting AS community service.

No I didn't, I was referring to protecting businesses. Why would you say that?

[Grinning Dragon]

That's exactly what I would not do in a riot where an angry mob could swarm me, and for some reason, I think you wouldn't either and that you'd know better.


Doesn't work friend. He was running towards a police line that was clearly visible to everyone on that street. Somehow I don't believe those guys are suddenly so concerned for the safety of LEOs that they would put their lives down to protect cops from this 'gunman.'

The second man didn't try to attack him, he just tried to disarm him. Clearly, your assumption about the protestors was wrong.

You say that the protestors should have assumed that he was going to turn himself in just because he was running in the general direction of the police (clearly he wasn't too fussed about doing it, because after his first attempt, he just went back home). If they hadn't given chase, and he indeed did not intend to turn himself in, who knows what would have happened. Perhaps he would have escaped into the night, never to be found again. It's the best choice in that situation to withhold the benefit of the doubt from Rittenhouse. Also, you're surprisingly willing to paint the protestors with a broad brush despite the fact that the only person who committed acts of violence in this incident was Rittenhouse.

Trying to disarm is an act of aggression, the guy was an idiot to attempt.

[Galloism]

That's exactly what I would not do in a riot where an angry mob could swarm me, and for some reason, I think you wouldn't either and that you'd know better.


Doesn't work friend. He was running towards a police line that was clearly visible to everyone on that street. Somehow I don't believe those guys are suddenly so concerned for the safety of LEOs that they would put their lives down to protect cops from this 'gunman.'

The second man didn't try to attack him, he just tried to disarm him. Clearly, your assumption about the protestors was wrong.

You say that the protestors should have assumed that he was going to turn himself in just because he was running in the general direction of the police (clearly he wasn't too fussed about doing it, because after his first attempt, he just went back home). If they hadn't given chase, and he indeed did not intend to turn himself in, who knows what would have happened. Perhaps he would have escaped into the night, never to be found again. It's the best choice in that situation to withhold the benefit of the doubt from Rittenhouse. Also, you're surprisingly willing to paint the protestors with a broad brush despite the fact that the only person who committed acts of violence in this incident was Rittenhouse.

“Second man” is ambiguous. Which man you talking about?

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

I don't know about you, but after I shoot someone, even if in self-defense, I'm not gonna run away like a criminal. I would put my hands up, the gun down and let the justice system figure things out. Look at it from the last two victims' perspective: They saw a guy shoot someone (even if you think it was in self defense, you have to admit in the moment that would have been unclear) and gave chase to disarm a man they saw as a threat to public safety, since he just shot a guy. They are the heroes of this story.

He fled due to a mob headed his way and his safety was in jeopardy, putting down his rifle would be the worst thing to do.

A criminal doesn't get to use the doctrine of self-defense. His pursuers chased him because they saw a shooting that they could only assume was criminal. I doubt you would ask them to deliberate the finer points of judicial precedent on self-defense before chasing an escaping shooter. Also, your point is undermined by the fact no-one assaulted him, only tried to disarm him.

[Galloism]

That didn’t happen. He traveled across state lines without a gun to go to work.

ah, makes total sense. yeah this all seems fine then

Just correcting the sequence of events. Lots of misinformation out there.

[The Radio Operator]

The second man didn't try to attack him, he just tried to disarm him. Clearly, your assumption about the protestors was wrong.

Trying to disarm is an act of aggression

You say that the protestors should have assumed that he was going to turn himself in just because he was running in the general direction of the police. If they hadn't given chase, and he indeed did not intend to turn himself in, who knows what would have happened.

We know- he went home. Oh, the agony.

Perhaps he would have escaped into the night, never to be found again. It's the best choice in that situation to withhold the benefit of the doubt from Rittenhouse.

Clearly not.

Also, you're surprisingly willing to paint the protestors with a broad brush despite the fact that the only person who committed acts of violence in this incident was Rittenhouse.

I would say chasing and attacking someone would constitute an act of violence.

[The Radio Operator]

A criminal doesn't get to use the doctrine of self-defense. His pursuers chased him because they saw a shooting that they could only assume was criminal. I doubt you would ask them to deliberate the finer points of judicial precedent on self-defense before chasing an escaping shooter. Also, your point is undermined by the fact no-one assaulted him, only tried to disarm him.

See, someone isn't a criminal just because someone else assumes he is. So Kyle is perfectly free to use his self-defence doctrine.

[Senkaku]

ah, makes total sense. yeah this all seems fine then

Just correcting the sequence of events. Lots of misinformation out there.

Yeah, the misinformation about this poor fella really seems to be the primary issue here! Glad someone is brave enough to set the record straight about the important things

[Grinning Dragon]

He fled due to a mob headed his way and his safety was in jeopardy, putting down his rifle would be the worst thing to do.

A criminal doesn't get to use the doctrine of self-defense. His pursuers chased him because they saw a shooting that they could only assume was criminal. I doubt you would ask them to deliberate the finer points of judicial precedent on self-defense before chasing an escaping shooter. Also, your point is undermined by the fact no-one assaulted him, only tried to disarm him.

Criminal? Is the trial over and kyle was convicted?
Rosenbaum was the aggressor and kept chasing kyle, kyle did all he could to retreat, then a shot rang out which caused kyle to stop and turn around and in that instant rosenbaum attempted to take the rifle from kyle, kyle shot. Self defense.

[The Radio Operator]

Just correcting the sequence of events. Lots of misinformation out there.

Yeah, the misinformation about this poor fella really seems to be the primary issue here! Glad someone is brave enough to set the record straight about the important things

Nothing wrong with pointing out facts where they lie. I'm not sure why you have to lace your comment with sarcasm if not to prove a point.

[Senkaku]

Yeah, the misinformation about this poor fella really seems to be the primary issue here! Glad someone is brave enough to set the record straight about the important things

Nothing wrong with pointing out facts where they lie. I'm not sure why you have to lace your comment with sarcasm if not to prove a point.

Idk what you're talking about, I think it's great we're focusing on correcting the lies being spread about the exact sequence of events in which this brave young man killed two people