Violence Outbreak in Kenosha WI

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Imagine having a police force that doesn't protect citizens but goes around trying to murder them.

Don't have to imagine it. I've seen it.

We're looking at you Bill Dwyer. We're looking at you.

[Salus Maior]

1. I am Asian American.
2. I am not wrong in that BLM protests seem to be mostly an excuse to commit violence.
3. Martin Luther King Jr had a strong voice and did it without violence. He would disapprove of BLM.

This is the same MLK who described riots as the voice of the unheard?

And then subsequently said that riots shouldn't happen?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

This is the same MLK who described riots as the voice of the unheard?

And then subsequently said that riots shouldn't happen?

They won't happen if the police force stops being a threat to society.

[Salus Maior]

Full disclosure - I skipped watching the video since I’m about to go to bed and I don’t need more nightmares.

It's pretty miserable so I don't blame you.

[The Black Forrest]

Full disclosure - I skipped watching the video since I’m about to go to bed and I don’t need more nightmares.

It's pretty miserable so I don't blame you.

Indeed. Cop had hand on shirt as guy was trying to enter his vehicle and then he started shooting.

Don’t see who they can justify this one.

[San Lumen]

Another one? What is with cops and shooting or killing unarmed people? Enough already. One way to put an end to this is to elect new mayors, district attorneys and sheriffs

[Vassenor]

This is the same MLK who described riots as the voice of the unheard?

And then subsequently said that riots shouldn't happen?

Emphasis on "shouldn't".

But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation's summers of riots are caused by our nation's winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again.

So yeah, what he's saying is that there needs to be serious reform to address what has caused the riots.

[Mannixa Prime]

It was awful what happened to that man in Wisconsin, and the police in America definitely need reform.

That being said the tactics being used here to protest police violence is counter productive because violence, especially random looting and assaults will only make America more authoritarian and turn regular people against your message.

Also voting for a neo liberal capitalist like Biden will not solve anything.

[San Lumen]

It was awful what happened to that man in Wisconsin, and the police in America definitely need reform.

That being said the tactics being used here to protest police violence is counter productive because violence, especially random looting and assaults will only make America more authoritarian and turn regular people against your message.

Also voting for a neo liberal capitalist like Biden will not solve anything.

You can vote for new district attorneys and sheriffs

[The Black Forrest]

It was awful what happened to that man in Wisconsin, and the police in America definitely need reform.

That being said the tactics being used here to protest police violence is counter productive because violence, especially random looting and assaults will only make America more authoritarian and turn regular people against your message.

Also voting for a neo liberal capitalist like Biden will not solve anything.

Biden isn’t the topic and even then there is more of chance then there would be with Trump and the trump party.

[Dumb Ideologies]

People can be rightfully concerned about the excesses of rioting, the more eyebrow-raising elements of BLM platforms, the symbolic acts of "cultural violence" in relation to statue felling and so on that are bound to worsen racial tensions because violently attacking symbols of a people's history will inevitably read like an attack on the community for a lot of people.

I don't like BLM. At all. But the number of people I see online who hear about yet another incident and don't even condemn it or suggest reasoned reform of the composition of police forces and their training might be necessary, just going "BLM bad" as if it's a magic spell that banishes the issue? Well that sure showed them.

[Mannixa Prime]

It was awful what happened to that man in Wisconsin, and the police in America definitely need reform.

That being said the tactics being used here to protest police violence is counter productive because violence, especially random looting and assaults will only make America more authoritarian and turn regular people against your message.

Also voting for a neo liberal capitalist like Biden will not solve anything.

Biden isn’t the topic and even then there is more of chance then there would be with Trump and the trump party.

Never said he was the topic but many think he’s the answer to this problem. I don’t agree.

[Chan Island]

The police need to be seriously retrained. And I’m for gun control, controlling what guns the police get to use that is. The police shouldn’t have more than a six shooter and a shotgun. Outside of that it’s tasers for all

I'm not averse to American blacks arming themselves to the teeth if they feel that's what it would take to deter further police violence against their kith and kin. The problem is that most of these blacks live in Democrat-controlled, typically "gun-free" zones such as NYC. Democrat municipalities are officially gun-free, right? I don't entirely fault them for lashing out even if I may disagree with their racially charged rhetoric about "white supremacy". Give them guns.

Your perception of the gun control democrat city leaders are able to implement is massively exaggerated. It's still much easier to legally acquire firearms in those cities than in almost any other country on Earth. And that's ignoring the vast, vast black market for firearms those cities have for those who can't get them legally.

[San Lumen]

Biden isn’t the topic and even then there is more of chance then there would be with Trump and the trump party.

Never said he was the topic but many think he’s the answer to this problem. I don’t agree.

The answer is electing new sheriffs or district attorneys and state ag’s

[Kowani]

Never said he was the topic but many think he’s the answer to this problem. I don’t agree.

The answer is electing new sheriffs or district attorneys and state ag’s

…Who will be drawn from the same pool and have the same biases and structural incentives?

[San Lumen]

The answer is electing new sheriffs or district attorneys and state ag’s

…Who will be drawn from the same pool and have the same biases and structural incentives?

Anyone with a law degree can run for district attorney or state attorney general. Sheriffs office usually requires a background in law enforcement

[Kowani]

…Who will be drawn from the same pool and have the same biases and structural incentives?

Anyone with a law degree can run for district attorney or state attorney general. Sheriffs office usually requires a background in law enforcement

You do see how none of this disproves what I said at all.

[Chan Island]

…Who will be drawn from the same pool and have the same biases and structural incentives?

Anyone with a law degree can run for district attorney or state attorney general. Sheriffs office usually requires a background in law enforcement

Which still means that they will have been educated and socialised in exactly the organisations that have so routinely covered up wrongdoings and been so under fire.

I get why you're taking this line, and both respect it and think it's part of the solution, but it can't be the be all end all.

[Salus Maior]

It's pretty miserable so I don't blame you.

Indeed. Cop had hand on shirt as guy was trying to enter his vehicle and then he started shooting.

Don’t see who they can justify this one.

I'm surprised the guy is still alive.

[Trollgaard]

And then subsequently said that riots shouldn't happen?

They won't happen if the police force stops being a threat to society.

Lmao dude, you are absolutely ridiculous. How many incidents between citizens and cops are there yearly? How many of those have the cop acting terribly? A very small amount.

Anyways, it seems this guy wanted suicide by cop. He supposedly had a warrant out on him, had known history of being armed, had a history of fighting with police and other violence...and despite all this was given every opportunity to comply. Instead he chooses to continue towards and reach into his vehicle.

Despite all the shit on him...and despite all the shit going down in the country right now where people are what seemingly seems like high alert. This dude was either stupid, made a terrible mistake, or wanted to get shot.

[San Lumen]

Anyone with a law degree can run for district attorney or state attorney general. Sheriffs office usually requires a background in law enforcement

Which still means that they will have been educated and socialised in exactly the organisations that have so routinely covered up wrongdoings and been so under fire.

I get why you're taking this line, and both respect it and think it's part of the solution, but it can't be the be all end all.

What organizations would those be?

I’m not saying it’s the end all but it is a big step towards fixing the problem

[Mannixa Prime]

https://www.rt.com/usa/498867-kenosha-s ... al-record/



Just to provide context. I agree the police need some reform but rioting for someone who engages in domestic abuse and sexual assault is a bad look for sure.

[San Lumen]

https://www.rt.com/usa/498867-kenosha-shooting-criminal-record/



Just to provide context. I agree the police need some reform but rioting for someone who engages in domestic abuse and sexual assault is a bad look for sure.

RT is a terrible source

[Chan Island]

They won't happen if the police force stops being a threat to society.

Lmao dude, you are absolutely ridiculous. How many incidents between citizens and cops are there yearly? How many of those have the cop acting terribly? A very small amount.

The answer to those is:

Tens of thousands, and thousands respectively.

Which is far too high a rate. We can and should be able to demand a higher standard from cops. Instead, it happens over and over again that the cops act terribly, and then the police forces try to cover for the bad apples unless, occasionally, when there is mass public outrage. That is not good enough.

Which still means that they will have been educated and socialised in exactly the organisations that have so routinely covered up wrongdoings and been so under fire.

I get why you're taking this line, and both respect it and think it's part of the solution, but it can't be the be all end all.

What organizations would those be?

I’m not saying it’s the end all but it is a big step towards fixing the problem

Police Departments. Which are about the only law enforcement around, yet to run for sheriff you need to have a background in one.

As for law, many of them have backgrounds in criminal law, which entails frequent collaboration with police.

[Trollgaard]

Lmao dude, you are absolutely ridiculous. How many incidents between citizens and cops are there yearly? How many of those have the cop acting terribly? A very small amount.

The answer to those is:

Tens of thousands, and thousands respectively.

Which is far too high a rate. We can and should be able to demand a higher standard from cops. Instead, it happens over and over again that the cops act terribly, and then the police forces try to cover for the bad apples unless, occasionally, when there is mass public outrage. That is not good enough.

I agree we should always aim for higher standards. But this strange outlook that lots of people have goes beyond that...its that police in general and as a concept are bad, and society is bad, and our country is bad, and everything is bad. So many negative Nancy's out there over...everything. Any little accident and mistake is literally Hitler. Society needs to blow of some steam or something before it explodes.

Anyways, couldn't this guy have been...tasered or tackled rather than shot?

(See, I also believe police can and should do better, and should be held accountable when they fuck up!)