Violence Outbreak in Kenosha WI

[-Ra-]

Rittenhouse should face punishment for illegal firearms possession, but as far as I'm considered he acted in complete self-defense against the left-wing mob.

[Galloism]

Rittenhouse should face punishment for illegal firearms possession, but as far as I'm considered he acted in complete self-defense against the left-wing mob.

He might not even be guilty of illegal firearms possession. The law is SUPER unclear on that front.

The legislature seems to have never considered that an underage teenager might decide to go to a riot armed with a rifle.

[Ors Might]

Rittenhouse should face punishment for illegal firearms possession, but as far as I'm considered he acted in complete self-defense against the left-wing mob.

He might not even be guilty of illegal firearms possession. The law is SUPER unclear on that front.

The legislature seems to have never considered that an underage teenager might decide to go to a riot armed with a rifle.

You’d think with the rise of youth activism and the number of guns in circulation, the possibility might’ve eventually dawned on someone. Oh well, perhaps this’ll be a case of better late than never.

[Galloism]

He might not even be guilty of illegal firearms possession. The law is SUPER unclear on that front.

The legislature seems to have never considered that an underage teenager might decide to go to a riot armed with a rifle.

You’d think with the rise of youth activism and the number of guns in circulation, the possibility might’ve eventually dawned on someone. Oh well, perhaps this’ll be a case of better late than never.

I'm guessing quite a few states are going to take a second look at their statutes surrounding minors, rifles, and hunting.

[Ors Might]

You’d think with the rise of youth activism and the number of guns in circulation, the possibility might’ve eventually dawned on someone. Oh well, perhaps this’ll be a case of better late than never.

I'm guessing quite a few states are going to take a second look at their statutes surrounding minors, rifles, and hunting.

I’m imagining some poor lawyer flipping through a law book going “shitshitSHIT” as he tries to see if they need to alter their laws over this.

[Telconi]

I'm guessing quite a few states are going to take a second look at their statutes surrounding minors, rifles, and hunting.

I’m imagining some poor lawyer flipping through a law book going “shitshitSHIT” as he tries to see if they need to alter their laws over this.

I live in Californis, more likely our AG is upset that an opportunity to jail opposition kids was missed.

[Grinning Dragon]

Rittenhouse should face punishment for illegal firearms possession, but as far as I'm considered he acted in complete self-defense against the left-wing mob.

He might not even be guilty of illegal firearms possession. The law is SUPER unclear on that front.

The legislature seems to have never considered that an underage teenager might decide to go to a riot armed with a rifle.

This is a pretty good break down on kyle open carrying.
Kyle Rittenhouse: Are People under the age of 18 Forbidden from Open Carry in WI?

Wisconsin Statute 948.60 regulates the possession of a dangerous weapon by persons under 18 years old. In paragraph (2) (a) it states:

(a) Any person under 18 years of age who possesses or goes armed with a dangerous weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.

Paragraph (3) lists exceptions. (3)(c) excludes most people who are under 18, except those in violation of 941.28 or 29.304 and 29.539.

(c) This section applies only to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a rifle or a shotgun if the person is in violation of s. 941.28 or is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593. This section applies only to an adult who transfers a firearm to a person under 18 years of age if the person under 18 years of age is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593 or to an adult who is in violation of s. 941.28.

Statute 948.60 only applies to a person under the age of 18 who are in violation of 941.28 or not in compliance with 29.304 and 29.593.

What does it take to be in violation of 941.28? Here is the statute:

(2) No person may sell or offer to sell, transport, purchase, possess or go armed with a short-barreled shotgun or short-barreled rifle.

In the statute, short-barreled shotguns or short-barreled rifles are those which require a special license under the National Firearms Act. In general, those are rifles with a barrel less than 16 inches in length or shotguns with a barrel less than 18 inches in length, or either which have an overall length of less than 26 inches.

The rifle carried by Kyle Rittenhouse, as an ordinary AR15 type and does not fall into those categories, so Kyle was not violating 941.28.

Was Kyle in violation of Wisconsin statute 29.304 and statute 29.539? These statutes deal with hunting regulation and with people under the age of 16 carrying rifles and shotguns. First, statute 29.304:

29.304  Restrictions on hunting and use of firearms by persons under 16 years of age.

(b) Restrictions on possession or control of a firearm. No person 14 years of age or older but under 16 years of age may have in his or her possession or control any firearm unless he or she:

Kyle is reported to be over 16 years old, so he was not violating statute 29.304.

How about statute 29.539?

29.593  Requirement for certificate of accomplishment to obtain hunting approval.

Kyle was not hunting, so statute 29.539 does not apply.

To sum up: Wisconsin statutes 940.60 only forbid people under the age of 18 from possessing or carrying dangerous weapons in very limited cases. If a person is 16 years of age or older, the statute only applies to rifles and shotguns which are covered under the National Firearms Act as short-barreled rifles or shotguns. People who are hunting have to comply with the hunting regulations, and there are general restrictions for people under the age of 16.

While a casual reading of Wisconsin Statutes seems to indicate people under the age of 18 are forbidden from carrying rifles or shotguns, that is not the case under Wisconsin law, in general.

The general prohibition is for those under the age of 16. Kyle is reported to be more than 17 years old.

This is consistent with Wisconsin's Constitutional protection of the right to keep and bear arms, section 25. Wisconsin added the clear wording of Section 25 to the Wisconsin Constitution in 1998.

Text of Section 25:

Right to Keep and Bear Arms

The people have the right to keep and bear arms for security, defense, hunting, recreation or any other lawful purpose.[1]

Kyle was legally able to exercise his right to keep and bear arms for security and defense, as protected by the Wisconsin Constitution. He was not forbidden by Wisconsin law from possessing or carrying a rifle because he was less than 18 years of age.
The law is clear if a bit convoluted. Lawyers are supposed to be experts at unwinding the convolutions of the law.

Kyle's defense team is correct. The criminal complaint against Kyle appears to have been rushed and ill-conceived.

[Grinning Dragon]

Well OK then.
Prosecute district attorneys who charged Kyle Rittenhouse with murder under 18 U.S. Code § 242

[The Emerald Legion]

That would be pretty great.

[Galloism]

Well OK then.
Prosecute district attorneys who charged Kyle Rittenhouse with murder under 18 U.S. Code § 242

Well ok then.

[Fartsniffage]

Well OK then.
Prosecute district attorneys who charged Kyle Rittenhouse with murder under 18 U.S. Code § 242

Looking at the other popular petitions at the bottom of the page. Is that a website for crazy people?

[Galloism]

Well OK then.
Prosecute district attorneys who charged Kyle Rittenhouse with murder under 18 U.S. Code § 242

Looking at the other popular petitions at the bottom of the page. Is that a website for crazy people?

Thanks Obama.

[Rusozak]

Well OK then.
Prosecute district attorneys who charged Kyle Rittenhouse with murder under 18 U.S. Code § 242

Looking at the other popular petitions at the bottom of the page. Is that a website for crazy people?

More or less. I don't think the donors understand how the legal system works. Pretty sure I saw a fund to "deport Justin Bieber" on there once.

[Insaanistan]

Pompeo: We ask the the Belarusian people not be harmed in protests.
Me: Hol’ up.

[Kowani]

Looking at the other popular petitions at the bottom of the page. Is that a website for crazy people?

Thanks Obama.

Ironic.

[Galloism]

Thanks Obama.

Ironic.

I have yet to have a government that sees to my needs.

[Greed and Death]

Well OK then.
Prosecute district attorneys who charged Kyle Rittenhouse with murder under 18 U.S. Code § 242

Looking at the other popular petitions at the bottom of the page. Is that a website for crazy people?

Obama started it. It peaked after we got enough signatures to require a death star be built.

[Greed and Death]

Well OK then.
Prosecute district attorneys who charged Kyle Rittenhouse with murder under 18 U.S. Code § 242

It would be very difficult to show his prosecution was based off of him being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, .

[Kowani]

Ironic.

I have yet to have a government that sees to my needs.

You have the Force for that.

[Fartsniffage]

Well OK then.
Prosecute district attorneys who charged Kyle Rittenhouse with murder under 18 U.S. Code § 242

It would be very difficult to show his prosecution was based off of him being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, .

And how do you show he has had rights taken away when he has been given the opportunity to experience so many more of them. Right to have a lawyer, present, right to a speedy trial, the right not to incriminate himself, etc.

[The Lone Alliance]

You know I think half the reason activists are so mad is because Kenosha has been a complete disaster optics wise.

Criminal elements showed up early on and quickly derailed any chance at peaceful protests because they wanted to destroy things, the support in the community has been mixed and many minority businesses were hurt, and with a lot of the rioters being clearly white it kind of hurts the image that they're there for BLM , and then when the media finally got their "Racist mass shooter" the narrative is completely against what they want.
Instead of a "20 something skinhead gunning down innocent minorities" it's a "17 year old with no history of extremist support getting chased and assaulted by a bunch of white felons".

Really I'm surprised no one has gone with the "All the rioters were white supremacists" because things couldn't have been planned any better if they were.

[West Leas Oros 2]

You know I think half the reason the rioters and activists are so mad is because Kenosha has been a complete disaster optics wise.

Criminal elements showed up early on and quickly derailed any chance at peaceful protests because they wanted to destroy things, and the vast majority of the protesters and rioters were also white so it hurts the view that they're there for BLM, and then when the media finally got their "Racist mass shooter" the narrative is completely against what they want.
Instead of a "20 something skinhead machine gunning innocent minorities" it's a "17 year old with no history of extremist support getting chased and assaulted by a bunch of white felons".

What can you expect when you draw a large amount of support from anarchists? Destruction and violence with no purpose is what the ideology is known for.

[The Lone Alliance]

What can you expect when you draw a large amount of support from anarchists? Destruction and violence with no purpose is what the ideology is known for.

Yes they're useful when you're wanting to threaten to "Burn the country down until we get our way" but that's about the only threat you can hold, they're pretty useless for everything else.

[West Leas Oros 2]

What can you expect when you draw a large amount of support from anarchists? Destruction and violence with no purpose is what the ideology is known for.

Yes they're useful when you're wanting to threaten to "Burn the country down until we get our way" but that's about the only threat you can hold, they're pretty useless for everything else.

That explains why every attempt at creating a society following their model lasted about as long as an ice cube on the sun.

[Fartsniffage]

Yes they're useful when you're wanting to threaten to "Burn the country down until we get our way" but that's about the only threat you can hold, they're pretty useless for everything else.

That explains why every attempt at creating a society following their model lasted about as long as an ice cube on the sun.

What societies have been founded on anarchy?