Violence Outbreak in Kenosha WI

[Galloism]

Incidentally, if this were a war, that would be a war crime.

Although, if this were a war, the teargas would be too.

Was the kid using tear gas?

[Galloism]

That’s probably only a Class A misdemeanor, at least as far as I can tell from looking at the law as regards minors.

So the kid might walk despite illegally carrying the gun he killed two people with.

Well I don't really agree with the felony murder concept anyway. I didn't want him charged with murder, but fucking hell there should be some law to effectively prevent minors taking a gun to a public place. That's an act that's very likely to lead to bad consequences for someone.

US states could tighten up gun laws a lot, just with proper penalties for prohibited persons, without infringing any further on the rights of those legally permitted to have a gun.

A class A misdemeanor is roughly akin to pickpocketing someone’s wallet (Theft <$2500). It doesn’t really warrant mob violence against the one who did it, nor being chased, assaulted, and cornered by random citizenry.

[Neanderthaland]

Although, if this were a war, the teargas would be too.

Was the kid using tear gas?

Didn't you know? It's the latest teenage fad. All the cool kids are doing it.

No, obviously I'm remarking upon the absurdity of bringing up wartime legal procedure in a context other than war.

[Soiled fruit roll ups]

I for one commend the teen. Having the back bone to show adults what they should have been doing takes grit.

Defending yourself when attacked by rioters doubly so.

[Loben III]

Was the kid using tear gas?

Didn't you know? It's the latest teenage fad. All the cool kids are doing it.

No, obviously I'm remarking upon the absurdity of bringing up wartime legal procedure in a context other than war.

i dunno why do people keep bitching about the fact that tear gas is being used as crowd dispersal?

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Didn't you know? It's the latest teenage fad. All the cool kids are doing it.

No, obviously I'm remarking upon the absurdity of bringing up wartime legal procedure in a context other than war.

i dunno why do people keep bitching about the fact that tear gas is being used as crowd dispersal?

Well, does it work? Setting aside that something nasty happens to people, including some peaceful protesters, which you're fine with. Does it actually disperse crowds?

[Galloism]

I for one commend the teen. Having the back bone to show adults what they should have been doing takes grit.

Defending yourself when attacked by rioters doubly so.

Kid was scared and repeatedly running away. Only fired when he got cornered.

That’s not grit. That’s justifiable fear.

[Neanderthaland]

Didn't you know? It's the latest teenage fad. All the cool kids are doing it.

No, obviously I'm remarking upon the absurdity of bringing up wartime legal procedure in a context other than war.

i dunno why do people keep bitching about the fact that tear gas is being used as crowd dispersal?

I imagine because it's quite painful.

And because many of the people being teargased feel as though they've done nothing to deserve it.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

I for one commend the teen. Having the back bone to show adults what they should have been doing takes grit.

Defending yourself when attacked by rioters doubly so.

You commend a 17 yo for carrying a weapon in a state where the legal age is 18.

Committing crime == "backbone and grit" to you.

[Soiled fruit roll ups]

I for one commend the teen. Having the back bone to show adults what they should have been doing takes grit.

Defending yourself when attacked by rioters doubly so.

Kid was scared and repeatedly running away. Only fired when he got cornered.

That’s not grit. That’s justifiable fear.

Going and patrolling a neighbourhood that the police wouldn't is grit.

[Loben III]

i dunno why do people keep bitching about the fact that tear gas is being used as crowd dispersal?

Well, does it work? Setting aside that something nasty happens to people, including some peaceful protesters, which you're fine with. Does it actually disperse crowds?

if they are too stupid as to not move away from the tear gas that is their own fault.

[Kowani]

I for one commend the teen. Having the back bone to show adults what they should have been doing takes grit.

Defending yourself when attacked by rioters doubly so.

Ah, tr right wing grievance squad has arrived.

[Soiled fruit roll ups]

I for one commend the teen. Having the back bone to show adults what they should have been doing takes grit.

Defending yourself when attacked by rioters doubly so.

You commend a 17 yo for carrying a weapon in a state where the legal age is 18.

Committing crime == "backbone and grit" to you.

It ethical to brake unethical laws. And he clearly has acted maturely enough to have one which demonstrates this.

[The Emerald Legion]

Incidentally, if this were a war, that would be a war crime.

i dunno we have the anarchists that keep crying war crimes every time the cops disperse them so.......

they wanted a war they sure as shit got one then.

I mean that's always been hypocritical, as their rampant use of molotovs on bystanders and property shows.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

So the kid might walk despite illegally carrying the gun he killed two people with.

Well I don't really agree with the felony murder concept anyway. I didn't want him charged with murder, but fucking hell there should be some law to effectively prevent minors taking a gun to a public place. That's an act that's very likely to lead to bad consequences for someone.

US states could tighten up gun laws a lot, just with proper penalties for prohibited persons, without infringing any further on the rights of those legally permitted to have a gun.

A class A misdemeanor is roughly akin to pickpocketing someone’s wallet (Theft <$2500). It doesn’t really warrant mob violence against the one who did it, nor being chased, assaulted, and cornered by random citizenry.

I didn't say it did justify violence or being chased. There's also the question of whether any of the people chasing him knew he wasn't entitled to carry a gun, they'd have to at least asked his age.

Illegally carrying a gun should have a felony option, whatever the person's age. The law being so lax doesn't matter for the more common case of a teenager carrying a hunting rifle on a hunting trip with adults (in fact I wouldn't want that teen charged at all). But the law should always allow for the worst case, such as this one.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

You commend a 17 yo for carrying a weapon in a state where the legal age is 18.

Committing crime == "backbone and grit" to you.

It ethical to brake unethical laws. And he clearly has acted maturely enough to have one which demonstrates this.

I see. 12 year olds going out unattended with a loaded gun would be ethical for you too?

Damn I hope you're not a parent.

[The Emerald Legion]

A class A misdemeanor is roughly akin to pickpocketing someone’s wallet (Theft <$2500). It doesn’t really warrant mob violence against the one who did it, nor being chased, assaulted, and cornered by random citizenry.

I didn't say it did justify violence or being chased. There's also the question of whether any of the people chasing him knew he wasn't entitled to carry a gun, they'd have to at least asked his age.

Illegally carrying a gun should have a felony option, whatever the person's age. The law being so lax doesn't matter for the more common case of a teenager carrying a hunting rifle on a hunting trip with adults (in fact I wouldn't want that teen charged at all). But the law should always allow for the worst case, such as this one.

How is this somehow different? We don't know what the initial confrontation was about yet, but the one we have on video is him defending himself from attack, lethally so but even still.

[Galloism]

A class A misdemeanor is roughly akin to pickpocketing someone’s wallet (Theft <$2500). It doesn’t really warrant mob violence against the one who did it, nor being chased, assaulted, and cornered by random citizenry.

I didn't say it did justify violence or being chased. There's also the question of whether any of the people chasing him knew he wasn't entitled to carry a gun, they'd have to at least asked his age.

Illegally carrying a gun should have a felony option, whatever the person's age. The law being so lax doesn't matter for the more common case of a teenager carrying a hunting rifle on a hunting trip with adults (in fact I wouldn't want that teen charged at all). But the law should always allow for the worst case, such as this one.

Ironically, if he had been 18, it would have been no crime at all. It would be perfectly legal open carry.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

I didn't say it did justify violence or being chased. There's also the question of whether any of the people chasing him knew he wasn't entitled to carry a gun, they'd have to at least asked his age.

Illegally carrying a gun should have a felony option, whatever the person's age. The law being so lax doesn't matter for the more common case of a teenager carrying a hunting rifle on a hunting trip with adults (in fact I wouldn't want that teen charged at all). But the law should always allow for the worst case, such as this one.

How is this somehow different? We don't know what the initial confrontation was about yet, but the one we have on video is him defending himself from attack, lethally so but even still.

I don't want any more kids legally not even permitted to carry a gun, to go to a known trouble spot and getting themselves in the kind of trouble they can only get out of by killing two people.

Therefore I'm calling for a felony charge which would apply to 17 year olds who do such a stupid thing. Not as revenge on this one guy, that's not even possible because it would be ex post facto law. But to deter others from doing the same stupid thing.

[Bear Stearns]

I for one commend the teen. Having the back bone to show adults what they should have been doing takes grit.

Defending yourself when attacked by rioters doubly so.

You commend a 17 yo for carrying a weapon in a state where the legal age is 18.

Committing crime == "backbone and grit" to you.

Eh...I grew up in a blue state with strict gun laws and I've owned a few firearms since I was 15. It's not that big of a deal.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

I didn't say it did justify violence or being chased. There's also the question of whether any of the people chasing him knew he wasn't entitled to carry a gun, they'd have to at least asked his age.

Illegally carrying a gun should have a felony option, whatever the person's age. The law being so lax doesn't matter for the more common case of a teenager carrying a hunting rifle on a hunting trip with adults (in fact I wouldn't want that teen charged at all). But the law should always allow for the worst case, such as this one.

Ironically, if he had been 18, it would have been no crime at all. It would be perfectly legal open carry.

Yeah, I know. I also know how stupid and rash 18 year olds can be. But I'm not proposing to raise the age, on principle that 18 should be the age for all adult rights, but also because that would restrict more people from carrying a gun. And I know the push back that would cause.

I hope the lad is punished and gets a criminal record. Taking someone else's life loses him the "just a kid" defense imo.

[Trollgaard]

Yeah, so there's video of people chasing this guy and throwing molotov cocktails at him before the first shots were fired. This guy was defending himself the entire time. All the gunshot victims that I'm aware of were attacking him.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

You commend a 17 yo for carrying a weapon in a state where the legal age is 18.

Committing crime == "backbone and grit" to you.

Eh...I grew up in a blue state with strict gun laws and I've owned a few firearms since I was 15. It's not that big of a deal.

It should be. As I've said several times.

[Trollgaard]

Ironically, if he had been 18, it would have been no crime at all. It would be perfectly legal open carry.

Yeah, I know. I also know how stupid and rash 18 year olds can be. But I'm not proposing to raise the age, on principle that 18 should be the age for all adult rights, but also because that would restrict more people from carrying a gun. And I know the push back that would cause.

I hope the lad is punished and gets a criminal record. Taking someone else's life loses him the "just a kid" defense imo.

You are wrong. This guy was defending himself.

[Galloism]

Going back to the OP, Wisconsin DOJ has released a few details on the original event, including a few details about the officer who shot him.

Rittenhouse’s arrest came the same day Wisconsin authorities identified the officer who shot Blake seven times as Rusten Sheskey, a seven-year veteran of the Kenosha Police Department.

The Wisconsin Department of Justice also revealed a potentially significant detail — a knife was recovered from the driver-side floorboard of the vehicle, the agency said. Footage of the shooting shows Blake leaning into that side of the vehicle. A search of the vehicle located no additional weapons.

Sheskey shot Blake while holding onto his shirt after officers unsuccessfully used a Taser, according to a news release.

https://www.dailypress.com/nation-world ... story.html

Btw, I don’t know why, but some people just shrug off tasers.