Violence Outbreak in Kenosha WI

[Ors Might]

When your reaction to a guy blowing off your orders, calmly walking to his car where his kids are, and leaning into his car where said kids are is to shoot him repeatedly in the back because you’re afraid for your life, you might just be a wee bit of a complete and total pussy. Those are some big warning signs.

[Liriena]

When your reaction to a guy blowing off your orders, calmly walking to his car where his kids are, and leaning into his car where said kids are is to shoot him repeatedly in the back because you’re afraid for your life, you might just be a wee bit of a complete and total pussy. Those are some big warning signs.

Cops should replace all their Punisher-inspired iconography for a pacifier, really.

[Ors Might]

When your reaction to a guy blowing off your orders, calmly walking to his car where his kids are, and leaning into his car where said kids are is to shoot him repeatedly in the back because you’re afraid for your life, you might just be a wee bit of a complete and total pussy. Those are some big warning signs.

Cops should replace all their Punisher-inspired iconography for a pacifier, really.

The Punisher, for all his edgelordness, at least has the decency to horrifically brutalize those that are in an actual position to fight back. These cops are essentially beta-virgins trying to emulate their Chad Husbando.

[Trollgaard]

When your reaction to a guy blowing off your orders, calmly walking to his car where his kids are, and leaning into his car where said kids are is to shoot him repeatedly in the back because you’re afraid for your life, you might just be a wee bit of a complete and total pussy. Those are some big warning signs.

Yeah. The situation is pretty messed up. Both the officers and Mr. Blake seem to have made some errors of judgement from what I know of the situation.

[Washington Resistance Army]

When your reaction to a guy blowing off your orders, calmly walking to his car where his kids are, and leaning into his car where said kids are is to shoot him repeatedly in the back because you’re afraid for your life, you might just be a wee bit of a complete and total pussy. Those are some big warning signs.

Cops should replace all their Punisher-inspired iconography for a pacifier, really.

Never forget that it's canon that the Punisher abhors and hates police officers who idolize him.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

I'm sorry, I thought we were looking for ways to subdue targets without lasting harm. Unfortunately that means no shooting and I see some people get upset by that idea.

I mean the only real role I see rubber bullets filling is essentially shooting a varmint with a BB gun: shocking it (or in this case a human being) into running away from you. If you're going to use it for crowd control like that just use paintball guns filled with pepper spray, less likelihood of seriously hurting people

Pepper spray is meant to be unpleasant (ie it hurts) but also incapacitating (you can't see properly).

Rubber bullet I agree with you, have no purpose but to hurt. They also injure sometimes. I'm not sure if that's part of the plan.

[Ors Might]

When your reaction to a guy blowing off your orders, calmly walking to his car where his kids are, and leaning into his car where said kids are is to shoot him repeatedly in the back because you’re afraid for your life, you might just be a wee bit of a complete and total pussy. Those are some big warning signs.

Yeah. The situation is pretty messed up. Both the officers and Mr. Blake seem to have made some errors of judgement from what I know of the situation.

With the officers having the lion’s share of the blame. Okay, even with it being accepted that Mr. Blake made some unwise choices, the officers essentially looked at those unwise choices and decided to fuck up in a way several, several magnitudes larger.

One dude was being somewhat cocky around what are admittedly incredibly dangerous individuals. The other two crippled a guy in front of his kids.

[Ors Might]

Cops should replace all their Punisher-inspired iconography for a pacifier, really.

Never forget that it's canon that the Punisher abhors and hates police officers who idolize him.

That’s fucking hilarious.

[Liriena]

Never forget that it's canon that the Punisher abhors and hates police officers who idolize him.

That’s fucking hilarious.

It's a borderline Gainax level of disrespect for the fandom and I love it.

[Trollgaard]

Yeah. The situation is pretty messed up. Both the officers and Mr. Blake seem to have made some errors of judgement from what I know of the situation.

With the officers having the lion’s share of the blame. Okay, even with it being accepted that Mr. Blake made some unwise choices, the officers essentially looked at those unwise choices and decided to fuck up in a way several, several magnitudes larger.

One dude was being somewhat cocky around what are admittedly incredibly dangerous individuals. The other two crippled a guy in front of his kids.

Yes, potentially, but you seem to be ignoring the fact that he was reaching into his vehicle. He could have been going for a gun. The officers shouldn't have let it go that long, but he was reaching...

I wouldn't want to be on that jury.

[Ors Might]

With the officers having the lion’s share of the blame. Okay, even with it being accepted that Mr. Blake made some unwise choices, the officers essentially looked at those unwise choices and decided to fuck up in a way several, several magnitudes larger.

One dude was being somewhat cocky around what are admittedly incredibly dangerous individuals. The other two crippled a guy in front of his kids.

Yes, potentially, but you seem to be ignoring the fact that he was reaching into his vehicle. He could have been going for a gun. The officers shouldn't have let it go that long, but he was reaching...

I wouldn't want to be on that jury.

He was a father and his kids were in the car. You and the cops seem to be ignoring that it’s entirely likely, in fact even probable, that he was checking that his kids were alright and assuring them that they were about to leave. Y’know, like fathers typically do in stressful situations.

And I really don’t like this nonchalant attitude towards cops being essentially trigger happy goons that will cap you several times if you do anything that could potentially be viewed as suspicious.

[The Black Forrest]

Perhaps, but the dude just fought with the cops, there's video of it. So IF that is true, a dude who just resisted at best, or attacked officers at worst, was reaching into a vehicle, where many people do carry weapons, and was shot.

Now, was the shooting justified? I don't know. It seems like they could have taken him down while he was walking away from them to me, but is the shooting understandable with more facts rather than just the video and terrible news coverage? Of course it is.

You fight with cops and reach into a vehicle you are going to get shot- no matter your ethnicity.

Alternatively the cops could not be huge pussies and just take him down and restrain him.

Exactly. They pinned him once.....

[Trollgaard]

Yes, potentially, but you seem to be ignoring the fact that he was reaching into his vehicle. He could have been going for a gun. The officers shouldn't have let it go that long, but he was reaching...

I wouldn't want to be on that jury.

He was a father and his kids were in the car. You and the cops seem to be ignoring that it’s entirely likely, in fact even probable, that he was checking that his kids were alright and assuring them that they were about to leave. Y’know, like fathers typically do in stressful situations.

And I really don’t like this nonchalant attitude towards cops being essentially trigger happy goons that will cap you several times if you do anything that could potentially be viewed as suspicious.

I don't think cops (well, most, you can never say all) are trigger happy. I do think that many cops would have shot if someone was reaching into a vehicle after fighting with them and ignoring orders to stop.

[Ors Might]

He was a father and his kids were in the car. You and the cops seem to be ignoring that it’s entirely likely, in fact even probable, that he was checking that his kids were alright and assuring them that they were about to leave. Y’know, like fathers typically do in stressful situations.

And I really don’t like this nonchalant attitude towards cops being essentially trigger happy goons that will cap you several times if you do anything that could potentially be viewed as suspicious.

I don't think cops (well, most, you can never say all) are trigger happy. I do think that many cops would have shot if someone was reaching into a vehicle after fighting with them and ignoring orders to stop.

I don’t think most people would have though. Most people after getting into a fight with someone would not react to their prior adversary getting into his car with firing off seven near his spine. Why do cops have such little discipline?

[Trollgaard]

I don't think cops (well, most, you can never say all) are trigger happy. I do think that many cops would have shot if someone was reaching into a vehicle after fighting with them and ignoring orders to stop.

I don’t think most people would have though. Most people after getting into a fight with someone would not react to their prior adversary getting into his car with firing off seven near his spine. Why do cops have such little discipline?

I don't know if you are understanding the significance of Mr. Blake reaching into the vehicle.

[Ors Might]

I don’t think most people would have though. Most people after getting into a fight with someone would not react to their prior adversary getting into his car with firing off seven near his spine. Why do cops have such little discipline?

I don't know if you are understanding the significance of Mr. Blake reaching into the vehicle.

I’m perfectly understanding of the significance of Mr. Blake reaching into the vehicle where his sons were during a tense situation where they very likely would have been upset. I don’t the cops did, though. They didn’t seem to examine the situation any further than some dude not complying with their orders and going towards his personal property.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

With the officers having the lion’s share of the blame. Okay, even with it being accepted that Mr. Blake made some unwise choices, the officers essentially looked at those unwise choices and decided to fuck up in a way several, several magnitudes larger.

One dude was being somewhat cocky around what are admittedly incredibly dangerous individuals. The other two crippled a guy in front of his kids.

Yes, potentially, but you seem to be ignoring the fact that he was reaching into his vehicle. He could have been going for a gun. The officers shouldn't have let it go that long, but he was reaching...

I wouldn't want to be on that jury.

When cops shoot someone who wasn't in any way "reaching" they issue a statement saying the suspect was armed. They had no way of knowing they were armed (it might just be a knife in the pocket) but the fact of it somehow justifies that the person was a threat to police. Proponents of concealed carry should be absolutely livid about that, btw. Exercising your rights makes it "more OK" for cops to shoot you apparently. Not to mention the long record of cops planting a gun on the body of someone they killed (though fortunately it's a lot harder with body cams).

Anyway, was there a gun in the car?

"He might have been reaching" will carry a lot more weight with a jury if there was an actual gun. I know, it's hindsight, but cops have a record of exploiting hindsight and should not be allowed to walk away from that.

[Ors Might]

Yes, potentially, but you seem to be ignoring the fact that he was reaching into his vehicle. He could have been going for a gun. The officers shouldn't have let it go that long, but he was reaching...

I wouldn't want to be on that jury.

When cops shoot someone who wasn't in any way "reaching" they issue a statement saying the suspect was armed. They had no way of knowing they were armed (it might just be a knife in the pocket) but the fact of it somehow justifies that the person was a threat to police. Proponents of concealed carry should be absolutely livid about that, btw. Exercising your rights makes it "more OK" for cops to shoot you apparently. Not to mention the long record of cops planting a gun on the body of someone they killed (though fortunately it's a lot harder with body cams).

Anyway, was there a gun in the car?

"He might have been reaching" will carry a lot more weight with a jury if there was an actual gun. I know, it's hindsight, but cops have a record of exploiting hindsight and should not be allowed to walk away from that.

Yeah that’s another thing. Someone having a weapon on them being a justification for treating and eliminating them as a threat is fucking disgusting when they have every right to have a weapon on them.

[Trollgaard]

I don't know if you are understanding the significance of Mr. Blake reaching into the vehicle.

I’m perfectly understanding of the significance of Mr. Blake reaching into the vehicle where his sons were during a tense situation where they very likely would have been upset. I don’t the cops did, though. They didn’t seem to examine the situation any further than some dude not complying with their orders and going towards his personal property.

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You are NOT grasping, or are willfully ignoring the significance if you do not understand why the officer shot (rightly or wrongly) in that situation then.

Someone potentionaly going for a gun is going to be shot more often than not. I don't know if there was a gun or not. That is besides the point (to my understanding) of justifiable shootings by police.

Again, I don't know if this will be deemed justifiable with so many (in my opinion) mistakes made by the officers before Mr. Blake reached into the vehicle.

Maybe he was going to reassure his kids. Maybe he was just trying to leave. Maybe he was getting a smoke. Maybe he was getting gun. The officers didn't know what he was reaching for.

[Ors Might]

I’m perfectly understanding of the significance of Mr. Blake reaching into the vehicle where his sons were during a tense situation where they very likely would have been upset. I don’t the cops did, though. They didn’t seem to examine the situation any further than some dude not complying with their orders and going towards his personal property.

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You are NOT grasping, or are willfully ignoring the significance if you do not understand why the officer shot (rightly or wrongly) in that situation then.

Someone potentionaly going for a gun is going to be shot more often than not. I don't know if there was a gun or not. That is besides the point (to my understanding) of justifiable shootings by police.

Again, I don't know if this will be deemed justifiable with so many (in my opinion) mistakes made by the officers before Mr. Blake reached into the vehicle.

Maybe he was going to reassure his kids. Maybe he was just trying to leave. Maybe he was getting a smoke. Maybe he was getting gun. The officers didn't know what he was reaching for.

I understand why the officers shot him. I just think they’re filthy fucking cowards and incompetents that don’t deserve their responsibilities because of it.

[Vassenor]

I’m perfectly understanding of the significance of Mr. Blake reaching into the vehicle where his sons were during a tense situation where they very likely would have been upset. I don’t the cops did, though. They didn’t seem to examine the situation any further than some dude not complying with their orders and going towards his personal property.

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You are NOT grasping, or are willfully ignoring the significance if you do not understand why the officer shot (rightly or wrongly) in that situation then.

Someone potentionaly going for a gun is going to be shot more often than not. I don't know if there was a gun or not. That is besides the point (to my understanding) of justifiable shootings by police.

Again, I don't know if this will be deemed justifiable with so many (in my opinion) mistakes made by the officers before Mr. Blake reached into the vehicle.

Maybe he was going to reassure his kids. Maybe he was just trying to leave. Maybe he was getting a smoke. Maybe he was getting gun. The officers didn't know what he was reaching for.

Show us the video of him fighting with the cops then.

[Telconi]

I'm not sure how rubber bullets behave realistically, I figured a rubber bullet would be less likely to cause lethal harm than a normal bullet.

Nah. Rubber bullets are considerably larger than regular rounds. So they're shot from something like a 40mm launcher or are fired like rifle grenades from rifles or shotguns. They rely on their large size to not penetrate.

Seems like you could download the velocity enough that a rubber bullet would have significantly reduced velocity.

[Vassenor]

Nah. Rubber bullets are considerably larger than regular rounds. So they're shot from something like a 40mm launcher or are fired like rifle grenades from rifles or shotguns. They rely on their large size to not penetrate.

Seems like you could download the velocity enough that a rubber bullet would have significantly reduced velocity.

Or, and I know this a revolutionary and mind-blowing idea, we could train officers to use solutions that don't involve their guns.

[Telconi]

Seems like you could download the velocity enough that a rubber bullet would have significantly reduced velocity.

Or, and I know this a revolutionary and mind-blowing idea, we could train officers to use solutions that don't involve their guns.

Are you arguing a point, or just agreeing in the most hostile fashion you can cook up?

[Sundiata]

Thurgood Marshall would find this a murder most foul.