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Postby Mannixa Prime » Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:28 am

Mindset of a white liberal: Our enviroment and overall biosphere are pretty much fucked but we will worry about isolated murders in a country of 300 million plus people so I can look woke on social media.

Smh
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Postby Slaughter None » Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:28 am

Major-Tom wrote:
Slaughter None wrote:What do you mean "more justified"? A person with an active warrant who was not listening to the police and heading to his car, was shot.


No, I asked you, I'm asking you if you see it as more justified.

Do I see a criminal being subdued who has an active warrant and a huge(disgusting,as well) rap sheet, then yes.

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Postby Outer Acharet » Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:29 am

Neutraligon wrote:
Slaughter None wrote:What do you mean "more justified"? A person with an active warrant who was not listening to the police and heading to his car, was shot.

So what you are saying is he was not an immediate threat.

Wouldn't say that, if he's not listening to police commands to stop heading to his car and reaches in for something, then they might assume he was going for a gun of some kind.

What that doesn't do is excuse shooting him seven times in the back instead of, I don't know, detaining him with non-lethal methods?

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Major-Tom wrote:
No, I asked you, I'm asking you if you see it as more justified.

Do I see a criminal being subdued who has an active warrant and a huge(disgusting,as well) rap sheet, then yes.


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If they wanted to subdue him, they could have done it without riddling him with bullet holes. They fucked up on this one.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:29 am

Mannixa Prime wrote:Mindset of a white liberal: Our enviroment and overall biosphere are pretty much fucked but we will worry about isolated murders in a country of 300 million plus people so I can look woke on social media.

Smh

So the complete clusterfuck of the American judicial system is a'ok because only 1 guy who gets publically executed by the police goes on the news a month?
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Postby Slaughter None » Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:31 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Slaughter None wrote:What do you mean "more justified"? A person with an active warrant who was not listening to the police and heading to his car, was shot.

"Publically executing people because of suspicion of any crime is totally fine."
This is you right now.

What do you mean "public execution"? This was not "Suspicion" this was a criminal and execution also means death and currently he is in a stable state.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:31 am

Slaughter None wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:"Publically executing people because of suspicion of any crime is totally fine."
This is you right now.

What do you mean "public execution"? This was not "Suspicion" this was a criminal and execution also means death and currently he is in a stable state.

Oh it's only an "attempted public execution in front of his kids" then. And I do believe one is not a criminal until a court of law has had one convicted. When or where does the American police get to play judge, jury, prosecutor and executioner?
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Postby Mannixa Prime » Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:31 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Mannixa Prime wrote:Mindset of a white liberal: Our enviroment and overall biosphere are pretty much fucked but we will worry about isolated murders in a country of 300 million plus people so I can look woke on social media.

Smh

So the complete clusterfuck of the American judicial system is a'ok because only 1 guy who gets publically executed by the police goes on the news a month?

Our justice systems corruption isn’t relevant when the planet is facing environmental collapse.

And what is most peoples plan to combat police shooting? Riots and voting for one of two neoliberal parties and think change will happen.
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Postby Outer Acharet » Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:33 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Slaughter None wrote:What do you mean "public execution"? This was not "Suspicion" this was a criminal and execution also means death and currently he is in a stable state.

Oh it's only an "attempted public execution in front of his kids" then.

Still don't know where you got execution from, though. An execution is this:
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That wasn't an execution. That was cops overreacting and using deadly force.
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Postby Slaughter None » Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:34 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Slaughter None wrote:What do you mean "public execution"? This was not "Suspicion" this was a criminal and execution also means death and currently he is in a stable state.

Oh it's only an "attempted public execution in front of his kids" then.

Let's see here, why was he going headfirst into his car, when the police were signalling him to stop? Why did he not listen to a single instruction of the police? Why did he commit such serious crimes?
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:34 am

Slaughter None wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Oh it's only an "attempted public execution in front of his kids" then.

Let's see here, why was he going headfirst into his car, when the police were signalling him to stop? Why did he not listen to a single instruction of the police?

Do you want me to explain human behaviour under duress?
Why did he commit such serious crimes?

And which court of law says that? Your personal opinion?
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Postby Slaughter None » Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:36 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Slaughter None wrote:Let's see here, why was he going headfirst into his car, when the police were signalling him to stop? Why did he not listen to a single instruction of the police?

Do you want me to explain human behaviour under duress?

Yes, please explain to me why you would walk away to your car, where your children are sitting when the police officers have their gun drawn and telling you to stand down?

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Postby Outer Acharet » Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:37 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Slaughter None wrote:Let's see here, why was he going headfirst into his car, when the police were signalling him to stop? Why did he not listen to a single instruction of the police?

Do you want me to explain human behaviour under duress?

You can't just pull the "human behavior under duress" card and then not apply it to the cops.

From the cops' perspective:
Man with a warrant for violent crime is ignoring our commands and walking for a vehicle.
There may be a gun in the vehicle.
If he's not taken out I might die.

Cop panics, shots are fired, and a man is put in critical condition.
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Postby Slaughter None » Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:38 am

And which court of law says that? Your personal opinion?

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Postby Slaughter None » Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:39 am

Outer Acharet wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Do you want me to explain human behaviour under duress?

You can't just pull the "human behavior under duress" card and then not apply it to the cops.

From the cops' perspective:
Man with a warrant for violent crime is ignoring our commands and walking for a vehicle.
There may be a gun in the vehicle.
If he's not taken out I might die.

Cop panics, shots are fired, and a man is put in critical condition.

Not "critical condition" but I agree with the rest.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:52 am

Mannixa Prime wrote:Mindset of a white liberal: Our enviroment and overall biosphere are pretty much fucked but we will worry about isolated murders in a country of 300 million plus people so I can look woke on social media.

Smh


Wow! How out of touch can you possibly be? There is systematic bias and racism in the justice system and you call it isolated? Are you for real?

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Postby Ors Might » Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:57 am

Slaughter None wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:"Publically executing people because of suspicion of any crime is totally fine."
This is you right now.

What do you mean "public execution"? This was not "Suspicion" this was a criminal and execution also means death and currently he is in a stable state.

Doesn’t matter if he was a criminal, it’s still disgustingly unethical to shoot someone multiple times in the back when they aren’t a potential threat to you or others. Regardless of what the dude might have done, assholes still have rights.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:58 am

Daily reminder that you can despise BLM's rioting and weird culture war platforms while still recognising that there is a training and personnel problem with US police that merits more of a response than going after every incident "they were probably stressed, that's understandable officer and have a nice day."
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Postby Slaughter None » Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:00 pm

Ors Might wrote:
Slaughter None wrote:What do you mean "public execution"? This was not "Suspicion" this was a criminal and execution also means death and currently he is in a stable state.

Doesn’t matter if he was a criminal, it’s still disgustingly unethical to shoot someone multiple times in the back when they aren’t a potential threat to you or others. Regardless of what the dude might have done, assholes still have rights.

He was going into his car(which could have had a weapon inside) and not listening to the police and therefore he was shot.

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Postby Ors Might » Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:02 pm

Slaughter None wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Doesn’t matter if he was a criminal, it’s still disgustingly unethical to shoot someone multiple times in the back when they aren’t a potential threat to you or others. Regardless of what the dude might have done, assholes still have rights.

He was going into his car(which could have had a weapon inside) and not listening to the police and therefore he was shot.

He was shot for being disobedient and because the cops in question were paranoid pussies? Wow, what heroes.
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Postby Slaughter None » Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:02 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Daily reminder that you can despise BLM's rioting and weird culture war platforms while still recognising that there is a training and personnel problem with US police that merits more of a response than going after every incident "they were probably stressed, that's understandable officer and have a nice day."

That is not what I am doing that (if you think that) police reform is needed but blaming it for unprovable reasons is idiotic.

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Postby Outer Acharet » Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:03 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Daily reminder that you can despise BLM's rioting and weird culture war platforms while still recognising that there is a training and personnel problem with US police that merits more of a response than going after every incident "they were probably stressed, that's understandable officer and have a nice day."

This. If these officers had proper training in understanding how to de-escalate situations like this, do you think the shooting would have happened?

Even if he's non-compliant with you it doesn't excuse you unloading your magazine into his back.
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Postby Slaughter None » Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:05 pm

Ors Might wrote:
Slaughter None wrote:He was going into his car(which could have had a weapon inside) and not listening to the police and therefore he was shot.

He was shot for being disobedient and because the cops in question were paranoid pussies? Wow, what heroes.

I really don't know how you can call the police "pussies" these are people who save lives( I am not only talking about the
U.S.) they are trained to attack if the "suspect" flees.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:06 pm

Slaughter None wrote:
Ors Might wrote:He was shot for being disobedient and because the cops in question were paranoid pussies? Wow, what heroes.

I really don't know how you can call the police "pussies" these are people who save lives( I am not only talking about the
U.S.) they are trained to attack if the "suspect" flees.
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Are we talking about policemen or attack dogs?
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Postby Nazeroth » Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:07 pm

Outer Acharet wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Do you want me to explain human behaviour under duress?

You can't just pull the "human behavior under duress" card and then not apply it to the cops.

From the cops' perspective:
Man with a warrant for violent crime is ignoring our commands and walking for a vehicle.
There may be a gun in the vehicle.
If he's not taken out I might die.

Cop panics, shots are fired, and a man is put in critical condition.


apparently he is also a rapist and has had violent encounters with the police.

regardless they will give him Angel wings before going out and terrorizing people.
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Postby Ors Might » Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:07 pm

Slaughter None wrote:
Ors Might wrote:He was shot for being disobedient and because the cops in question were paranoid pussies? Wow, what heroes.

I really don't know how you can call the police "pussies" these are people who save lives( I am not only talking about the
U.S.) they are trained to attack if the "suspect" flees.
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Doesn’t look like these guys saved any lives.

Okay, you tell me. You, as a normal person, tell a guy that’s done some shit in the past to not get into his car, he gets into his car. Do you A) Do nothing or B) Unload your fucking gun into his back in front of his kids?
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