If it comes to survival then thats the obvious/rational choice
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by Nazeroth » Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:18 am
by Liriena » Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:25 am
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by Nazeroth » Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:27 am
Liriena wrote:Nazeroth wrote:
If it comes to survival then thats the obvious choice
Can you seriously not tell that you're allowing yourself to be radicalized?
There is no existential danger to you right now (other than climate change, the rona and the latest collapse of global capitalism, of course). What you're essentially saying is that you are preemptively psyching yourself up for fighting a race war on the white supremacists' side. White supremacists have given you a predetermined ideological narrative, a fantasy, and you're allowing it to warp your perception of the present and get you in a Turner Diaries mood.
Do you realize the meaning of what you just said? What it would look like if it came to be? You're talking about participating in a genocide. Are you really convinced that participating in a genocide is going to be a necessity for your survivial?
by Washington Resistance Army » Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:29 am
Liriena wrote:Nazeroth wrote:
If it comes to survival then thats the obvious choice
Can you seriously not tell that you're allowing yourself to be radicalized?
There is no existential danger to you right now (other than climate change, the rona and the latest collapse of global capitalism, of course). What you're essentially saying is that you are preemptively psyching yourself up for fighting a race war on the white supremacists' side. White supremacists have given you a predetermined ideological narrative, a fantasy, and you're allowing it to warp your perception of the present and get you in a Turner Diaries mood.
Do you realize the meaning of what you just said? What it would look like if it came to be? You're talking about participating in a genocide. Are you really convinced that participating in a genocide is going to be a necessity for your survivial?
by Nuroblav » Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:29 am
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by Liriena » Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:35 am
Nazeroth wrote:Liriena wrote:Can you seriously not tell that you're allowing yourself to be radicalized?
There is no existential danger to you right now (other than climate change, the rona and the latest collapse of global capitalism, of course). What you're essentially saying is that you are preemptively psyching yourself up for fighting a race war on the white supremacists' side. White supremacists have given you a predetermined ideological narrative, a fantasy, and you're allowing it to warp your perception of the present and get you in a Turner Diaries mood.
Do you realize the meaning of what you just said? What it would look like if it came to be? You're talking about participating in a genocide. Are you really convinced that participating in a genocide is going to be a necessity for your survivial?
Im literally talking about a hypothetical civil war in which i would take the side that offers me my best chance of survival. Your the one talking about genocide
Nazeroth wrote:
If it comes to survival then thats the obvious/rational choice
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by Liriena » Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:37 am
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Liriena wrote:Can you seriously not tell that you're allowing yourself to be radicalized?
There is no existential danger to you right now (other than climate change, the rona and the latest collapse of global capitalism, of course). What you're essentially saying is that you are preemptively psyching yourself up for fighting a race war on the white supremacists' side. White supremacists have given you a predetermined ideological narrative, a fantasy, and you're allowing it to warp your perception of the present and get you in a Turner Diaries mood.
Do you realize the meaning of what you just said? What it would look like if it came to be? You're talking about participating in a genocide. Are you really convinced that participating in a genocide is going to be a necessity for your survivial?
I wouldn't really say there's no existential danger to anyone, pretty much everyone in the States nowadays is at risk of getting attacked cuz of their skin color.
Shit I actually know a guy who's about my age (mid 20's) and is pretty decidedly a liberal anti-Trump type who got the shit kicked out of him by a bunch of BLM supporters last month cuz he was white. Needless to say his views on things have started to change, and I'm sure he's not the only one, for better or worse.
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by Nazeroth » Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:39 am
Liriena wrote:Nazeroth wrote:
Im literally talking about a hypothetical civil war in which i would take the side that offers me my best chance of survival. Your the one talking about genocide
I pointed out that what you said about Richard Spencer sounded like you preemptively aligning yourself with white supremacists in a civil war you seem convinced is going to happen and is going to happen along racial lines. And your response was:Nazeroth wrote:
If it comes to survival then thats the obvious/rational choice
Do you mean to tell me you didn't know the implications of it? That you have no idea what a "civil war" in white supremacists' terms would mean? Are you really that ignorant and so callous about your ignorance that you willingly preemptively align yourself with that sort of ideologies without knowing what they entail?
by Liriena » Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:47 am
Nazeroth wrote:Liriena wrote:I pointed out that what you said about Richard Spencer sounded like you preemptively aligning yourself with white supremacists in a civil war you seem convinced is going to happen and is going to happen along racial lines. And your response was:
Do you mean to tell me you didn't know the implications of it? That you have no idea what a "civil war" in white supremacists' terms would mean? Are you really that ignorant and so callous about your ignorance that you willingly preemptively align yourself with that sort of ideologies without knowing what they entail?
I know what they entail and i know what the oppossing side would entail, one involves me having a chance to survive, if bettering my odds of survival triggers you then uh... tough shit?
You act like whites would be the only ones doing these things in that scenario, which makes me wonder about your views on race.
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by Nazeroth » Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:48 am
Liriena wrote:Nazeroth wrote:
I know what they entail and i know what the oppossing side would entail, one involves me having a chance to survive, if bettering my odds of survival triggers you then uh... tough shit?
You act like whites would be the only ones doing these things in that scenario, which makes me wonder about your views on race.
BLM hasn't called for ethnic cleansing. Richard Spencer has. If this is the prelude to a civil war, only the side you've chosen to be on is actively threatening the survival of entire ethnic groups.
Congrats, Nazeroth. You were recruited by a white supremacist movement, and all because you were incapable of putting a single iota of genuinely critical thought into your emotional affinity for their ideological narrative.
Please, be sure to tell us how it all turned out for your oh-so-precious survivial when you get caught trying to shoot up a synagogue to save the white race.
by The Greater Ohio Valley » Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:49 am
by Liriena » Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:51 am
Nazeroth wrote:Liriena wrote:BLM hasn't called for ethnic cleansing. Richard Spencer has. If this is the prelude to a civil war, only the side you've chosen to be on is actively threatening the survival of entire ethnic groups.
Congrats, Nazeroth. You were recruited by a white supremacist movement, and all because you were incapable of putting a single iota of genuinely critical thought into your emotional affinity for their ideological narrative.
Also blm are fucking communists i would still end up eating a bullet.
Please, be sure to tell us how it all turned out for your oh-so-precious survivial when you get caught trying to shoot up a synagogue to save the white race.
I never “sided” with richard spencer i said that a ethnic/racial split of america would prove him right.
Jeeze your so triggered right now. Are you bashing your keyboard?
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by Nazeroth » Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:52 am
Liriena wrote:Nazeroth wrote:
I never “sided” with richard spencer i said that a ethnic/racial split of america would prove him right.
Except you then went on to confirm that you would side with white supremacists in a civil war.Jeeze your so triggered right now. Are you bashing your keyboard?
Yes and?
by Liriena » Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:53 am
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by Nazeroth » Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:54 am
by The Greater Ohio Valley » Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:57 am
Nazeroth wrote:Im literally talking about a hypothetical civil war in which i would take the side that offers me my best chance of survival. Your the one talking about genocide
by Nazeroth » Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:58 am
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Nazeroth wrote:Im literally talking about a hypothetical civil war in which i would take the side that offers me my best chance of survival. Your the one talking about genocide
Yet you'd be willingly and knowingly taking the side of many who openly call for and advocate for the ethnic cleansing and genocide of many millions of non-whites in order to form a fascistic white ethnostate.
by Kowani » Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:59 am
by Vassenor » Mon Aug 24, 2020 2:01 am
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Nazeroth wrote:Im literally talking about a hypothetical civil war in which i would take the side that offers me my best chance of survival. Your the one talking about genocide
Yet you'd be willingly and knowingly taking the side of many who openly call for and advocate for the ethnic cleansing and genocide of many millions of non-whites in order to form a fascistic white ethnostate.
by Telconi » Mon Aug 24, 2020 2:03 am
Liriena wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I wouldn't really say there's no existential danger to anyone, pretty much everyone in the States nowadays is at risk of getting attacked cuz of their skin color.
Shit I actually know a guy who's about my age (mid 20's) and is pretty decidedly a liberal anti-Trump type who got the shit kicked out of him by a bunch of BLM supporters last month cuz he was white. Needless to say his views on things have started to change, and I'm sure he's not the only one, for better or worse.
I don't blame him, but I hope against hope that what happened to him won't make him impervious to what the good people who make up the vast majority of BLM might have to say, and that they might listen to him in return.
That is the sort of situation that calls for a lot of shared empathy.
by The Greater Ohio Valley » Mon Aug 24, 2020 2:03 am
Nazeroth wrote:The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Yet you'd be willingly and knowingly taking the side of many who openly call for and advocate for the ethnic cleansing and genocide of many millions of non-whites in order to form a fascistic white ethnostate.
That would depend entirley on who is “in charge” of the white ethnic group in said hypothetical conflict, your making an assumption that the “white side” would be white supremacists by default
by Nazeroth » Mon Aug 24, 2020 2:05 am
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Nazeroth wrote:
That would depend entirley on who is “in charge” of the white ethnic group in said hypothetical conflict, your making an assumption that the “white side” would be white supremacists by default
At least in America, a hypothetical "race war" would certainly be a bunch of white supremacists and white nationalists and useful idiots and collaborators to their cause (usually those far enough to the right where racism and white supremacy aren't really a dealbreaker for them) fighting non-whites and other whites who don't want to see said non-whites further oppressed, ethnically cleansed and genocided.
by Washington Resistance Army » Mon Aug 24, 2020 2:07 am
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Nazeroth wrote:
That would depend entirley on who is “in charge” of the white ethnic group in said hypothetical conflict, your making an assumption that the “white side” would be white supremacists by default
At least in America, a hypothetical "race war" would certainly be a bunch of white supremacists and white nationalists and useful idiots and collaborators to their cause (usually those far enough to the right where racism and white supremacy aren't really a dealbreaker for them) fighting non-whites and other whites who don't want to see said non-whites further oppressed, ethnically cleansed and genocided.
by Glorious Hong Kong » Mon Aug 24, 2020 3:02 am
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