VEGANISM - THE TRUTH GOVERNMENTS DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW

[Occidens Praseodymia]

May be effective, but is it ethical?

Instead of advocating everyone go vegan (which many will be unwilling to do and likely has its own health issues given that humans have developed into omnivores), it will be simpler to simultaneously push for cultivated meat and slowly doing away with factory farms.

Although the 'everyone go vegan' thing is what people tend to expect from a vegan cliché, so...

We have never developed into omnivores. You can give a steak to a horse and it could eat it.

[Kalifer and Baska]

Didn't the makers of Cowspiracy (dishonestly) retract their statement from 51% of all greenhouse emissions to an already higher than reality 18%?
the WRI estimates that livestock and manure only release ~5% of all greenhouse gasses.

[Heloin]

It's crazy to see how much people actually support this stuff. Well done propaganda.

Only the finest endangered Rhino for my plate.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

And it's on.

OP, you did kind of ask for that blast from Purpelia. Heavy emotional blackmail from the start, not to mention the links.

However, we meat eaters are not all heartless towards animals. "We just don't care" does not represent me, in fact I'm only replying because I'm offended that Purpelia pretends to speak for me.

I do have a bad conscience about where supermarket meat comes from. Sometimes, but only rarely, I pay the premium for ethically kept meat. I buy free range eggs (of the freer of the two standards here) because I particularly feel for chickens. I admit to some hypocrisy on that, because I know big animals like cattle are more sentient than a chicken, but I've kept chickens in the past and I like them.

I choose beef before lamb or mutton, and both before pork. Which isn't to say I eat no pork at all, I do like bacon. But overall I eat small servings of meat (keeping the rest frozen so it won't go to waste), three or four meals a week, and my conscience isn't too bad because this is on the low end of recommendations for a healthy diet.

I am not a candidate for recruitment to veganism. I was a vegan for a year or so, and vegetarian in varying degrees for almost two decades. I could be persuaded to eat more ethical meat (hell I've half persuaded myself, writing this), but probably not less of it. If you invited me to go hunting with guns you'd have a better chance than if you tried to persuade me to try full-time veganism again.

You know what would get you more converts than insulting people's current food choices? Take them to a restaurant. For instance Hare Krishna food. It's pretty good!

[Stellar Colonies]

It's crazy to see how much people actually support this stuff. Well done propaganda.

Personally, I'm in favor of cultivated meat over meat carved directly out of medicated animal carcasses and even cutting down on it in my diet.

But I'm not going to switch to a fully vegan diet and lifestyle, no.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

I can't really see many people keeping cows as pets if we stopped eating them. They would probably become extinct in a couple of generations.

[Andsed]

Comparing people to animals isn't going to convince anyone.

What is wrong with comparing humans to animals?

While to say animals are unthinking is not strictly true there is a major difference between humans and animals. There is a reason we don't put crimes committed against animals on the same level as crimes committed against humans. And there is good arguments for cutting back on eating meat and regulating the meat market, but demanding everyone become vegan is a bit of a stretch.

[Occidens Praseodymia]

The ignorance is stunning.

[Heloin]

Instead of advocating everyone go vegan (which many will be unwilling to do and likely has its own health issues given that humans have developed into omnivores), it will be simpler to simultaneously push for cultivated meat and slowly doing away with factory farms.

Although the 'everyone go vegan' thing is what people tend to expect from a vegan cliché, so...

We have never developed into omnivores. You can give a steak to a horse and it could eat it.

No it couldn't. Once, probably but the horse's body isn't made to consume meat. Sure a human can go without eating meat at all but the body does have the systems in place to consume animals.

[Galloism]

I can't really see many people keeping cows as pets if we stopped eating them. They would probably become extinct in a couple of generations.

The most likely reaction to a world that suddenly went vegan is their mass slaughter.

[Stellar Colonies]

I can't really see many people keeping cows as pets if we stopped eating them. They would probably become extinct in a couple of generations.

Yeah.

They would become useless to the majority of people and their population would drop sharply accordingly.

Like what happened with the horse population after transportation became mechanized, but more extreme.

[The New California Republic]

We actually gas a lot of bugs. We even sell bug bombs people can use to gas their own houses while they’re away.

Pretty effective too.

May be effective, but is it ethical?

Is it ethical to kill mosquitoes and insects that spread diseases. Hmm, let me think about that one.

[Occidens Praseodymia]

We have never developed into omnivores. You can give a steak to a horse and it could eat it.

No it couldn't. Once, probably but the horse's body isn't made to consume meat. Sure a human can go without eating meat at all but the body does have the systems in place to consume animals.

We have the digestive system of a frugivore.

[Occidens Praseodymia]

May be effective, but is it ethical?

Is it ethical to kill mosquitoes and insects that spread diseases. Hmm, let me think about that one.

Develop a bloody vaccine for god's sake.

[Kowani]

Didn't the makers of Cowspiracy (dishonestly) retract their statement from 51% of all greenhouse emissions to an already higher than reality 18%?
the WRI estimates that livestock and manure only release ~5% of all greenhouse gasses.

Try 26%.

[Heloin]

Is it ethical to kill mosquitoes and insects that spread diseases. Hmm, let me think about that one.

Develop a bloody vaccine for god's sake.

A Bloody Vaccine would probably carry other health problems. Stick to normal ones.

[Occidens Praseodymia]

Didn't the makers of Cowspiracy (dishonestly) retract their statement from 51% of all greenhouse emissions to an already higher than reality 18%?
the WRI estimates that livestock and manure only release ~5% of all greenhouse gasses.

Try 26%.

Even still, it's a lot. Too much in fact.

[Sanghyeok]

It's crazy to see how much people actually support this stuff. Well done propaganda.

You'd rather have people in developing countries die of dengue ferver and malaria than kill a few mosquitos?
That's not only privileged, it's also racist and disgusting.

[Occidens Praseodymia]

Develop a bloody vaccine for god's sake.

Bloody vaccine's would probably carry other health problems.

How?

[The New California Republic]

Is it ethical to kill mosquitoes and insects that spread diseases. Hmm, let me think about that one.

Develop a bloody vaccine for god's sake.

There are a lot of diseases carried by insects that we cannot create vaccines for, so that oversimplistic handwaving is total nonsense.

[Occidens Praseodymia]

It's crazy to see how much people actually support this stuff. Well done propaganda.

You'd rather have people in developing countries die of dengue ferver and malaria than kill a few mosquitos?
That's not only privileged, it's also racist and disgusting.

Oh, give me a break

[Kowani]

Is it ethical to kill mosquitoes and insects that spread diseases. Hmm, let me think about that one.

Develop a bloody vaccine for god's sake.

Great. Not as if We haven’t been trying.
And in the meantime, we’ll keep killing mosquitoes.

[Heloin]

Bloody vaccine's would probably carry other health problems.

How?

Throwing someones blood on someone else? Very unhygienic.

[Sanghyeok]

You'd rather have people in developing countries die of dengue ferver and malaria than kill a few mosquitos?
That's not only privileged, it's also racist and disgusting.

Oh, give me a break

No you

[Occidens Praseodymia]

Develop a bloody vaccine for god's sake.

There are a lot of diseases carried by insects that we cannot create vaccines for, so that oversimplistic handwaving is total nonsense.

If we find medical research rather than animal agriculture. Then we would have a vaccine.