VEGANISM - THE TRUTH GOVERNMENTS DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW

[Andsed]

Only the finest endangered Rhino for my plate.

Amateur. I’m the single handed reason why the dodo went Extinct

Weak. I am the reason the Dinosaurs are gone. Beat that.

[Occidens Praseodymia]

I have thought about this.
I would, personally, ban pets. But I don't thing anyone is in favour of that whatsoever.

Because that idea is dumb.

Animal domestication is slavery. But with no economic value.

[Celritannia]

I'd like to point out, let's say going vegan and removing these farms were possible (farmers would probably be cull most of them anyway, not matter how many you try and save), what about pets that eat a meat based diet like cats and dogs?
They have become so domesticated that they can't hunt for food (well, maybe some cats but it's rare). They need a high meat based diet.

I have thought about this.
I would, personally, ban pets. But I don't thing anyone is in favour of that whatsoever.

HA! good luck with that one.
If you ban pets, that still wouldn't stop the cats and dogs requiring meat. Would you leave them to die without the meat they require?
Your solution of "banning pets" does not solve the issue.

[Occidens Praseodymia]

Amateur. I’m the single handed reason why the dodo went Extinct

Weak. I am the reason the Dinosaurs are gone. Beat that.

You must have been one hella thicc.

[Andsed]

I have thought about this.
I would, personally, ban pets. But I don't thing anyone is in favour of that whatsoever.

After banning the pets, what do we do with them?

I mean, we could do as PETA does, but that would get people up in arms...

We could just leave them to the wild to starve because their not able to hunt for food. That is totally better than just keeping as pets.

[Thermodolia]

The ignorance is stunning.

Yes it definitely is

Instead of advocating everyone go vegan (which many will be unwilling to do and likely has its own health issues given that humans have developed into omnivores), it will be simpler to simultaneously push for cultivated meat and slowly doing away with factory farms.

Although the 'everyone go vegan' thing is what people tend to expect from a vegan cliché, so...

We have never developed into omnivores. You can give a steak to a horse and it could eat it.

[Middle Barael]

We don’t have to all become vegan or even all fully vegetarian, just limiting meat some degree is enough. That being said, if you want to go vegetarian or pescatarian or vegan, that’s wonderful, and we should be encouraging these diets. However, as long as you limit your meat we’ll be fine. Plus, Veganism is a big step for most people, so if you want to become more eco friendly, here are the most eco-friendly diets (in order from easiest to start with to hardest to start with)

1) Limiting meat consumption (aka flexitarian diet)
2) Not eating red meat (beef and lamb), also called pescopollo vegetarianism
3) Pesatarianism (not eating red meat or poultry, but still eating dairy and fish)
4) Vegetarianism
5) Veganism

We don’t all have to go all the way, but simply going from being an omnivore to being a flexitarian is a great step, and that is what everyone should be doing

[Occidens Praseodymia]

The ignorance is stunning.

Yes it definitely is

We have never developed into omnivores. You can give a steak to a horse and it could eat it.

Obviously not raw.

[Stellar Colonies]

Because that idea is dumb.

Animal domestication is slavery. But with no economic value.

There's a big industry that's developed around feeding pets, grooming pets, buying them toys, etc.

Profits made, jobs created, that has economic value.

[The New California Republic]

I'd like to point out, let's say going vegan and removing these farms were possible (farmers would probably be cull most of them anyway, not matter how many you try and save), what about pets that eat a meat based diet like cats and dogs?
They have become so domesticated that they can't hunt for food (well, maybe some cats but it's rare). They need a high meat based diet.

I have thought about this.
I would, personally, ban pets. But I don't thing anyone is in favour of that whatsoever.

Now we are going really far down the rabbit hole.

[Occidens Praseodymia]

We don’t have to all become vegan or even all fully vegetarian, just limiting meat some degree is enough. That being said, if you want to go vegetarian or pescatarian or vegan, that’s wonderful, and we should be encouraging these diets. However, as long as you limit your meat we’ll be fine. Plus, Veganism is a big step for most people, so if you want to become more eco friendly, here are the most eco-friendly diets (in order from easiest to start with to hardest to start with)

1) Limiting meat consumption (aka flexitarian diet)
2) Not eating red meat (beef and lamb), also called pescopollo vegetarianism
3) Pesatarianism (not eating red meat or poultry, but still eating dairy and fish)
4) Vegetarianism
5) Veganism

We don’t all have to go all the way, but simply going from being an omnivore to being a flexitarian is a great step, and that is what everyone should be doing

Wel yes, but actually no.

[Occidens Praseodymia]

Animal domestication is slavery. But with no economic value.

There's a big industry that's developed around feeding pets, grooming pets, buying them toys, etc.

Profits made, jobs created, that has economic value.

But what does one gain from having pets?

[Dollystana]

Why? Pigs are rounded and gassed, just as the Jews were during the Holocaust.

Comparing Jews to pigs how wonderful

Occidens has some pretty good statements, but that isnt one of them.

[Heloin]

Yes it definitely is

Obviously not raw.

We cook meat to kill anything on it that could make us sick. The cooking doesn't make something that's inedible edible.

[New Jewlan]

This is a topic about veganism.
For those naïve people who have unfortunately and unavoidably fallen victim to government propaganda worldwide, please watch these documentaries spitting the truth about the animal agriculture industry.

- Coswspiracy, The environmental impacts of the animal agriculture industry.

- What The Health, The health impacts of consuming animal products.

GO VEGAN. END THE ANIMAL HOLOCAUST. SAVE THE ANIMALS. SAVE YOURSELVES. SAVE THE PLANET.

I hunt for steak every day on my estate, and drive my Range Rover to a remote KFC so as to provide inexpensive food for my fold. I burn firewood and coal to heat my stead, and have been known to chop down 5 trees per month just to keep my large family warm during the inhospitable winter months. My cows provide enough milk to feed a village, but we bathe in the excess so as to reduce net waste. When my motor vehicle breaks down, I stick my spurring boots on, and hitch a ride on my neighbour's massive steed (I only whip him when the spurs don't work, I am not an animal). Do not lecture me on veganism, unless you want to go toe-to-toe with a man from the Yukon! Click below to see a pic, I'm real fearsome.

I wrote the above just to stir you up! I do not mean any of it, I live in a commune just south of the Amazon, where we all care for the Planet.

[Andsed]

Because that idea is dumb.

Animal domestication is slavery. But with no economic value.

There is plenty of value to domestication of pets. It gives the animals shelters, affection, food etc. And having a pet has been shown to be helpful to ones mental health, and service animals have been a great help to plenty of people. And of course it has created plenty of jobs.

[The Black Forrest]

No no they don’t. Vegan alternatives do not taste virtually the same. Unless you have no taste buds

No, they taste better.

As one who has been examining healthier alternatives.......no they don’t taste better.

Taste buds have been numbed by the free market. Veg and fruit is mediocre in the US due to the more profitable let it ripen on the way to the markets.

I learned this on a trip through Tuscany. A bowl of tomatoes was actually an enjoyment. One of the reasons I go tend to frequent farmers markets. Better tasting produce and it helps the farmers more then the corporations.

[Celritannia]

Instead of advocating everyone go vegan (which many will be unwilling to do and likely has its own health issues given that humans have developed into omnivores), it will be simpler to simultaneously push for cultivated meat and slowly doing away with factory farms.

Although the 'everyone go vegan' thing is what people tend to expect from a vegan cliché, so...

We have never developed into omnivores. You can give a steak to a horse and it could eat it.

Nope, that's incorrect.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/20 ... udy%20says.

[Middle Barael]

AND THAT'S WHY WE VEGANS HATE YOU OMNIVORES.
IF YOUR ONLY JUSTIFICATION TO EAT MEAT AND DAIRY IS JUST BECAUSE IT'S "TASTY" THEN THAT IS JUST SO FUCKING SELFISH. VEGAN ALTERNATIVES TASTE VIRTUALLY THE SAME AS MEAT, OR IF IT ISN'T THAT SIMILAR, STILL AS NICE, BUT IN DIFFERENT WAYS. OPEN YOUR MIND. EXPLORE DIFFERENT OPTIONS. DONT JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS. KNOWLEDGE IS POWER.

No no they don’t. Vegan alternatives do not taste virtually the same. Unless you have no taste buds

It depends. Some, such as Beyond Meat and Impossible Meat, do taste almost exactly the same, if not better, but they tend to be less healthy, as they are full of chemicals, sodium, and soy (which can increase the risk of breast cancer in some cases), while others, such as the standard veggie burger, taste less realistic but are way healthier than either meat or “meatless meat”.

[Occidens Praseodymia]

Obviously not raw.

We cook meat to kill anything on it that could make us sick. The cooking doesn't make something that's inedible edible.

It makes it easier to digest.

[Heloin]

There's a big industry that's developed around feeding pets, grooming pets, buying them toys, etc.

Profits made, jobs created, that has economic value.

But what does one gain from having pets?

People like having pets.

[Gandoor]

Instead of advocating everyone go vegan (which many will be unwilling to do and likely has its own health issues given that humans have developed into omnivores), it will be simpler to simultaneously push for cultivated meat and slowly doing away with factory farms.

Although the 'everyone go vegan' thing is what people tend to expect from a vegan cliché, so...

We have never developed into omnivores. You can give a steak to a horse and it could eat it.

(Making my return to NSG cuz fuck it, the ignorance here is astounding)

Okay, explain why vegans need to be sure to eat foods supplemented with vitamin B12 (or take vitamin B12 supplements), which is otherwise naturally only found in animal products.

If humans didn't 'develop' into omnivores, why do we need a vitamin that you can only naturally get from animal products?

Also, I don't know if you've noticed, but vegan foods are fucking expensive. Pray tell, how do you expect everyone to switch to a vegan diet if some people would literally not be able to afford it?

I mean, I like me some veggie burgers, but I also know that I can get a lot more ground beef for not a lot more money than the price some companies want for veggie burgers.

Just checking Walmart's grocery delivery service (cause the prices match the in-store ones), the price for the Beyond Burger at my store is $4.84. Now that gives me two 1/4 pound patties or 1/2 lb in total.

Now comparing that to the cheapest pre-made hamburger patties I could get at my local Walmart, I could get four 1/3 pound patties for $6.84. Now that works out to $4.84/lb. The Beyond Burger works out to $9.68/lb. That's literally twice as much per pound.

There's a big industry that's developed around feeding pets, grooming pets, buying them toys, etc.

Profits made, jobs created, that has economic value.

But what does one gain from having pets?

Do you mean besides companionship and (for younger children) learning responsibility by having to take care of another living being?

[Occidens Praseodymia]

Animal domestication is slavery. But with no economic value.

There is plenty of value to domestication of pets. It gives the animals shelters, affection, food etc. And having a pet has been shown to be helpful to ones mental health, and service animals have been a great help to plenty of people. And of course it has created plenty of jobs.

I get the service animals point. But it isn't all necessary.

[Awesomeland012345]

heheh... is this a joke? I really can't tell.
I'm pretty sure that all this info is public information. I already knew about most of these things. This sounds like a conspiracy theory.

[The Black Forrest]

Because that idea is dumb.

Animal domestication is slavery. But with no economic value.

Oh I don’t know cats, dogs and horses have been rather useful.

My dogs get far better health treatment then they would in the wild.