2020 US General Election Thread VIII: Cs, Ds, and Es

[La Xinga]

You mean like the news sources a certain leftist nation person had the nerve to chose for me to quote from, link to and comment from, decided by the leftist nation person who strongly disagrees with me? I stand by the rest of my post above.

Many of my fellow Republicans feel the same way about you guys as you guys feel about them on my post above. Many do ignore these threads for the reasons I stated above, based on my conversations with them on discord and other right wing site sources. I will ask you all again, are any of you surprised they feel the same way you do but in reverse?

No because they are probably all reading Breitbart and Stormcaller.

And no, the media that is unbiased is generally respected by both sides, it's just that Trump and his little cult cant handle any kind of criticism without exploding.

CNN, MSNBC, Bloomberg, CBS, the NYT, and others are undoubtedly leftist.

[Jedi Council]

Yes you can, or rather, have one with less bias than the others.

And provided one recognizes the bias and takes away factual information rather than opinions from a piece, bias is not the most dangerous thing in the world. An article can be biased, and correct, but it just needs to be viewed critically and carefully.

Indeed, the counter to a biased media is good media literacy, because some amount of bias is inevitable.

Exactly.

If you know how to critically think about a topic or an article, you can read some biased nonsense, recognize what is propoganda/rhetoric, and then move on with the factual basis of the article or story.

[Jedi Council]

Yes you can, or rather, have one with less bias than the others.

And provided one recognizes the bias and takes away factual information rather than opinions from a piece, bias is not the most dangerous thing in the world. An article can be biased, and correct, but it just needs to be viewed critically and carefully.

BUT people can say some lines are biased and some not.

And those people are usually themselves biased tools.

[Valrifell]

May he suffer loss after loss until the loss to end all losses in November.

One can only hope. But this is a win for voting rights in PA, and a big lost for Trump.

Curious, that pattern where a win for rights coincides with a loss for Trump. Makes you thonk.

[Andsed]

It is honestly insane that some people are willing to bend over backwards to try and defend a president who when faced with a pandemic, created no real national plan, tried to downplay the virus and claimed it would just go away, and resisted wearing a face mask along with countless other showings of incompetence that has led to tens of thousands of Americans dead.

[Valrifell]

It is honestly insane that some people are willing to bend over backwards to try and defend a president who when faced with a pandemic, created no real national plan, tried to downplay the virus and claimed it would just go away, and resisted wearing a face mask along with countless other showings of incompetence that has led to tens of thousands of Americans dead.

You know, it's actually worse then him being an apathetic actor who didn't think of a plan. No, it's worse, he was a malicious actor who discarded the pandemic response team started by previous administrations just before the pandemic started and removed CDC agents abroad, also designed for early detection of new viruses.

Yeah, Trump fucked up his response before the pandemic even started.

[Cannot think of a name]

It is honestly insane that some people are willing to bend over backwards to try and defend a president who when faced with a pandemic, created no real national plan, tried to downplay the virus and claimed it would just go away, and resisted wearing a face mask along with countless other showings of incompetence that has led to tens of thousands of Americans dead.

Sunk cost fallacy I guess?

[Zurkerx]

One can only hope. But this is a win for voting rights in PA, and a big lost for Trump.

Curious, that pattern where a win for rights coincides with a loss for Trump. Makes you thonk.

It is a curious pattern to say the least.

It is honestly insane that some people are willing to bend over backwards to try and defend a president who when faced with a pandemic, created no real national plan, tried to downplay the virus and claimed it would just go away, and resisted wearing a face mask along with countless other showings of incompetence that has led to tens of thousands of Americans dead.

Welcome to America, and unfortunately, that kind of thinking is going to go away for years.

[Greater Miami Shores]

You mean like the news sources a certain leftist nation person had the nerve to chose for me to quote from, link to and comment from, decided by the leftist nation person who strongly disagrees with me? I stand by the rest of my post above.

Many of my fellow Republicans feel the same way about you guys as you guys feel about them on my post above. Many do ignore these threads for the reasons I stated above, based on my conversations with them on discord and other right wing site sources. I will ask you all again, are any of you surprised they feel the same way you do but in reverse?

No because they are probably all reading Breitbart and Stormcaller.

And no, the media that is unbiased is generally respected by both sides, it's just that Trump and his little cult cant handle any kind of criticism without exploding.

I posted about going to the Trump rally Saturday on this thread, which I am allowed to do, my post was pro and con and fair and balanced. I had conversations with my fellow Republicans and the first thing I noticed was, many of the negative things and reasons you guys say about us not accepting your views as facts, is what many of us say about you guys. MSNBC is a reliable news source for leftists, Breitbart, Fox News, Townhall, Redstate.org and One American News Network is a reliable news source for Republicans, like it or not, and I know you all don't like it. Guess what we don't like MSNBC.

I don't say the left wing media is more biased than the right wing media, I say the right wing media is biased to the right, and the left wing media is biased to the left, fair and balanced.

In my particular case I have always posted I read the substance of both medias beyond their right wing spins and left wing spins, I don't question and dismiss your leftist news sources, but you guys do dismiss and question my right wing sources, like those I posted above.

[Jedi Council]

No because they are probably all reading Breitbart and Stormcaller.

And no, the media that is unbiased is generally respected by both sides, it's just that Trump and his little cult cant handle any kind of criticism without exploding.

I posted about going to the Trump rally Saturday on this thread, which I am allowed to do, my post was pro and con and fair and balanced. I had conversations with my fellow Republicans and the first thing I noticed was, many of the negative things and reasons you guys say about us not accepting your views as facts, is what many of us say about you guys. MSNBC is a reliable news source for leftists, Breitbart, Fox News, Townhall, Redstate.org and One American News Network is a reliable news source for Republicans, like it or not, and I know you all don't like it. Guess what we don't like MSNBC.

In my particular case I have always posted I read the substance of both medias beyond their right wing spins and left wing spins, I don't question and dismiss your leftist news sources, but you guys do dismiss and question my right wing sources, like those I posted above.

Reliability is not based on what you want to hear. OANN and Breitbart are not reliable for anyone. And anyone with the power of critical thinking can read them and understand this.

[Telconi]

It is honestly insane that some people are willing to bend over backwards to try and defend a president who when faced with a pandemic, created no real national plan, tried to downplay the virus and claimed it would just go away, and resisted wearing a face mask along with countless other showings of incompetence that has led to tens of thousands of Americans dead.

You know, it's actually worse then him being an apathetic actor who didn't think of a plan. No, it's worse, he was a malicious actor who discarded the pandemic response team started by previous administrations just before the pandemic started and removed CDC agents abroad, also designed for early detection of new viruses.

Yeah, Trump fucked up his response before the pandemic even started.

I find it highly unlikely the reduction in CDC personnel was malicious.

[Greater Miami Shores]

I posted about going to the Trump rally Saturday on this thread, which I am allowed to do, my post was pro and con and fair and balanced. I had conversations with my fellow Republicans and the first thing I noticed was, many of the negative things and reasons you guys say about us not accepting your views as facts, is what many of us say about you guys. MSNBC is a reliable news source for leftists, Breitbart, Fox News, Townhall, Redstate.org and One American News Network is a reliable news source for Republicans, like it or not, and I know you all don't like it. Guess what we don't like MSNBC.

In my particular case I have always posted I read the substance of both medias beyond their right wing spins and left wing spins, I don't question and dismiss your leftist news sources, but you guys do dismiss and question my right wing sources, like those I posted above.

Reliability is not based on what you want to hear. OANN and Breitbart are not reliable for anyone. And anyone with the power of critical thinking can read them and understand this.

Re Read my post above in context. You strongly disagree with us, we strongly disagree with you. It does not make you right and us wrong, because you strongly disagree with us, vice versa and vice versa.

[The Black Forrest]

Ya but then the fundies couldnt complain and a lot of them don’t like the government or anything secular so they wouldn’t have any civil partnership benefits because they only got married by a religion.

Better idea, just abolish the institution of a civil marriage altogether. Confer no benefits, provide no changes to one's situation. Relegate it entirely to a religious institution and be done with it.

Why should religion own it? They didn’t invent it.

[Telconi]

Better idea, just abolish the institution of a civil marriage altogether. Confer no benefits, provide no changes to one's situation. Relegate it entirely to a religious institution and be done with it.

Why should religion own it? They didn’t invent it.

Why should the government own it? They didn't invent it.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Why should religion own it? They didn’t invent it.

Why should the government own it? They didn't invent it.

Why should it even exist?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Reliability is not based on what you want to hear. OANN and Breitbart are not reliable for anyone. And anyone with the power of critical thinking can read them and understand this.

Re Read my post above in context. You strongly disagree with us, we strongly disagree with you. It does not make you right and us wrong, because you strongly disagree with us, vice versa and vice versa.

I strongly disagree that Trump is a good president and strongly agree with the statement "Donald Trump has made America hellish."

[Telconi]

Why should the government own it? They didn't invent it.

Why should it even exist?

Because religious freedom.

[Greater Miami Shores]

NSG isn’t the US. You can’t post whatever you want here. If you want to do that go start a blog

What he said was on topic. Leave him be

Thank you, United States of Devonta. As I said, the post is Pro and Con, Fair and Balanced, any one can comment on it Pro or Con, a few of you already commented on it in Con:
viewtopic.php?p=37552355#p37552355

[Telconi]

Re Read my post above in context. You strongly disagree with us, we strongly disagree with you. It does not make you right and us wrong, because you strongly disagree with us, vice versa and vice versa.

I strongly disagree that Trump is a good president and strongly agree with the statement "Donald Trump has made America hellish."

How does one make America what it already was?

[The Black Forrest]

Oh look a lol attack, the other thing you can say besides a load of inane senseless drivel.

Like seriously, can you conjure any argument that doesnt consist of the same regurgitated stuff about you simultaneously being and not being a cultist and throwing word salad about opinions and facts at the keyboard?

Dude you all force me to repeat myself like the broken record I am.

Repeating the same thing without evidence still doesn’t make it true.

Americans are wearing the masks and social distancing the only thing we can do. But Americans are also dying from the virus, perhaps those who died did not wear them so they died. Perhaps some wear them and still die, especially since we don't wear them 24 hours a day. I don't do you? Do we? Do any of us?

NOBODY has said let alone suggested you had to wear them 24 hours a day. People aren’t wearing masks nor social distancing because of Trump and the lies he continues to tell.

I asked you a question that I will ask all of you again. Who or what is killing Americans during this international virus crisis, President Trump or the virus, you answered both. I think that cant not be possible. I think that is not drivel. I think it makes logical sense that the virus is killing Americans and persons throughout the world, not President Trump or any world leader. or am I posting drivel as you call it?

Lack of evidence is what makes most of your posts drivil.

Only you have said its an either or situation with the deaths of covid.

NOBODY has else has argued it.....well maybe some of your fellow cultists.

Trump made it WORSE. More people died due to his incompetence and lack of leadership of the pandemic.

My Post did not say anything about me being a cultist or not. My Post stated I am a Republican and you guys are Democrat or Democrat supporters True or False?

The fact you accept everything he says as fact and dismiss anything to the contrary is what makes you a cultist.

[The Black Forrest]

Let's say if Trump enacted measures sooner, didn't withhold supplies from states, and didn't fight governors every step of the way, then only 100,000 Americans would be dead instead of 175,000. Still a lot of dead, but 75,000 fewer. 75k people still living, still with their loved ones.

Is Trump not therefore responsible for the deaths of those 75,000 because of his actions?

The WHO declared it a pandemic only on March eleven. States took actions soon after.

Maybe the govs should stop arguing with him??

PSSST the problem started in January.

[The Black Forrest]

2. Yes, a national plan was unnecessary.

Genuinely the dumbest thing a human being can say in response to a global pandemic.

Wow.....WRA and I agree with something.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Re Read my post above in context. You strongly disagree with us, we strongly disagree with you. It does not make you right and us wrong, because you strongly disagree with us, vice versa and vice versa.

I strongly disagree that Trump is a good president and strongly agree with the statement "Donald Trump has made America hellish."

and you have the democratic right too strongly disagree with me and us Republicans, and the democratic right to post it to me and to us Republicans on NS. Just like I have the democratic right to strongly disagree with you and post President Trump is Making America Great Again according to my Political views and my fellow Republicans and to post it to you and anyone on NS.

[The Black Forrest]

I dont give a fuck if you think its not possible, because it is reality. Trump has completely fucked the response to the pandemic in the US and made things far worse than they needed to be. He is responsible for deaths, regardless of what you say. He is the fucking leader of your country, he should have acted like it instead of an irate child.

I am working on a long post right now with no drivels as you say. I still say it is not possible for any President or world leaders to be responsible for the deaths of any Americans and other persons because of the international virus crisis, the virus is responsible.

I think my post makes logical sense.

I am seeing the back and forth discussion and arguments you are all having with La xinga. I am not surprised you all keep strongly disagreeing with him, no matter what he links to or says.

Are you guys right based on objective realty facts and he is wrong based on objective reality facts?

Who decides what objective reality facts are? You and those who agree with you? or He and those who agree with him?

I have not had time to read the posts, have any of you agreed with him on anything or not?

The evidence is what makes things factual.

I understand you don’t understand this as you don’t provide evidence.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I strongly disagree that Trump is a good president and strongly agree with the statement "Donald Trump has made America hellish."

and you have the democratic right too strongly disagree with me and us Republicans, and the democratic right to post it to me and to us Republicans on NS. Just like I have the democratic right to strongly disagree with you and post President Trump is Making America Great Again according to my Political views and my fellow Republicans and to post it to you and anyone on NS.

Uh oh Miami you just strayed out of good graces with the president. Lol