2020 US General Election Thread VIII: Cs, Ds, and Es

[Jedi Council]

No one decides what objective reality is. It just is. That's what the term objective tries to indicate.

The difference between you, La Xinga, and the other posters on this thread is that they use objective facts and reality to make arguments. You these facts entirely and claim they are not facts. You have yet to provide evidence for almost anything you day beyond "I think its logical" which does nothing to prove what you are saying.

Honestly, I think Trumps most corrosive side effect is the inability his supporters have to accept reality, objectivity, or any kind of truth that goes against their narrative.

You these facts? YOU THESE FACTS?

They're not facts if they're not objectively true.

That was a typo, meant to say "You ignore," which you and GMS do.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Dude you all force me to repeat myself like the broken record I am. Americans are wearing the masks and social distancing the only thing we can do. But Americans are also dying from the virus, perhaps they did not wear them so they died. Perhaps some wear them and still die, especially since we don't wear them 24 hours a day. I don't do you? Do we? Do any of us?

I asked you a question that I will ask all of you again. Who or what is killing Americans during this international virus crisis, President Trump or the virus, you answered both. I think that cant not be possible. I think that is not drivel. I think it makes logical sense that the virus is killing Americans and persons throughout the world, not President Trump or any world leader. or am I posting drivel as you call it?

My Post did not say anything about me being a cultist or not. My Post stated I am a Republican and you guys are Democrat or Democrat supporters True or False?

So you think, if a Democrat had been President right now, yet actually handled the response like an adult, you would have the exact same number of deaths?

La xinga posted:
The WHO declared it a pandemic only on March eleven. States took actions soon after.

Maybe the govs should stop arguing with him??
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This covers the question or argument about what could have Trump done earlier or not.

Good question and an excellent question, but I will rephrase part of your question, So you think, if a Democrat had been President right now, you would have the exact number of deaths? Yes I do, an honest answer.

Why because the virus kills Americans not a Republican President or a Democrat President or a Hillary President (Yuck). Because Americans would have been wearing the masks and social distancing no matter who were president.

No President or world leader can do anything different than what has been done and is being done.

As I posted I would not have blamed a President Hillary, I would have blame the virus that does kill people. But a President Hillary or a President Biden, Yuck as far as I am concerned and my fellow Republican are concerned.

[Andsed]

Why would he believe that?


No, the lack of a national plan has contributed to the chaos and confusion (as I showed you above) and has undoubtedly contributed to both the spread and deaths. This was the time when national leadership was a necessity, and it was nowhere to be found.

1. Maybe cuz he didn't want to see too many cases, rather have it spread out over a length of time by giving it to the states.
2. No it wasn't. I showed above.

1. That makes no sense.

2. Yes it was. A national plan was needed. We needed to coordinated supply distribution(did not happen.) We needed to have a nationwide plan for lockdown and restrictions. We needed a national plan to support businesses and families. We needed the federal government and Trump to step up and create a plan and execute it. And that did not happen. And now tens of thousands of Americans are dead when they could have been saved and we are in one of the worst positions for reopening. The incompetence showed by Trump is inexcusable.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Because Americans would have been wearing the masks and social distancing no matter who were president.

Except all the dumbass Trump supporters who thinks masks are a conspiracy.

[La Xinga]

1. Das war.

Clearly you don't actually know anything about the act because it doesn't require a war to be in effect. It allows the president to direct industry towards things deemed vital for national security. Medical equipment was sure as fuck one of those things.

2. I believe it was the right things for the states to take action, so as to not have all states under major attack.

This is literally gibberish.

1. GM and Ford made stuff. Bill de Blasio actually got rid of the venties before COVID. Search it up.
2. No.

[Jedi Council]

So you think, if a Democrat had been President right now, yet actually handled the response like an adult, you would have the exact same number of deaths?

La xinga posted:
The WHO declared it a pandemic only on March eleven. States took actions soon after.

Maybe the govs should stop arguing with him??
viewtopic.php?p=37555423#p37555423
This covers the question or argument about what could have Trump done earlier or not.

Good question and an excellent question, but I will rephrase part of your question, So you think, if a Democrat had been President right now, you would have the exact number of deaths? Yes I do, an honest answer.

Why because the virus kills Americans not a Republican President or a Democrat President or a Hillary President (Yuck). Because Americans would have been wearing the masks and social distancing no matter who were president.

No President or world leader can do anything different than what has been done and is being done.

As I posted I would not have blamed a President Hillary, I would have blame the virus that does kill people. But a President Hillary or a President Biden, Yuck as far as I am concerned and my fellow Republican are concerned.

That is just not true. America could have done so much more. And no, Trump did not have to wait for the WHO to act, nor did the Governors do anything wrong except fight for their citizens right not to die.

Why are other nations doing so much better than the United States, if governments are so pointless and dealing with the Virus?

[Kannap]

Have you ever heard of the Defense Production Act? That thing Trump refused to use?



Yeah, states took action. Not Trump. Cuz he's a useless retard.

1. Das war.
2. I believe it was the right things for the states to take action, so as to not have all states under major attack.

The Department of Homeland Security regularly utilizes it for disaster response and preparedness. Donald Trump can easily utilize the DPA during this pandemic.

[La Xinga]

1. Maybe cuz he didn't want to see too many cases, rather have it spread out over a length of time by giving it to the states.
2. No it wasn't. I showed above.

1. That makes no sense.

2. Yes it was. A national plan was needed. We needed to coordinated supply distribution(did not happen.) We needed to have a nationwide plan for lockdown and restrictions. We needed a national plan to support businesses and families. We needed the federal government and Trump to step up and create a plan and execute it. And that did not happen. And now tens of thousands of Americans are dead when they could have been saved and we are in one of the worst positions for reopening. The incompetence showed by Trump is inexcusable.

1. Yes it does.
2. The plan to fam and jobs was to reopen. All states could've made lockdowns. Ford and GM made stuff when Dems like Bill de Balsio auctioned off the venties.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Clearly you don't actually know anything about the act because it doesn't require a war to be in effect. It allows the president to direct industry towards things deemed vital for national security. Medical equipment was sure as fuck one of those things.



This is literally gibberish.

1. GM and Ford made stuff. Bill de Blasio actually got rid of the venties before COVID. Search it up.

Yeah GM and Ford made stuff, of their own volition and without direction, because Trump is, again, a useless retard who refused to do anything.

2. No.

You can disagree all you want but what you said makes no sense in American English. Like, it's genuinely a meaningless statement.

[La Xinga]

La xinga posted:
The WHO declared it a pandemic only on March eleven. States took actions soon after.

Maybe the govs should stop arguing with him??
viewtopic.php?p=37555423#p37555423
This covers the question or argument about what could have Trump done earlier or not.

Good question and an excellent question, but I will rephrase part of your question, So you think, if a Democrat had been President right now, you would have the exact number of deaths? Yes I do, an honest answer.

Why because the virus kills Americans not a Republican President or a Democrat President or a Hillary President (Yuck). Because Americans would have been wearing the masks and social distancing no matter who were president.

No President or world leader can do anything different than what has been done and is being done.

As I posted I would not have blamed a President Hillary, I would have blame the virus that does kill people. But a President Hillary or a President Biden, Yuck as far as I am concerned and my fellow Republican are concerned.

That is just not true. America could have done so much more. And no, Trump did not have to wait for the WHO to act, nor did the Governors do anything wrong except fight for their citizens right not to die.

Why are other nations doing so much better than the United States, if governments are so pointless and dealing with the Virus?

Why should Trump do anything if it wasn't even called a pandemic yet? EVEN THE GOVS DIDN'T DO ANYTHING!

1. GM and Ford made stuff. Bill de Blasio actually got rid of the venties before COVID. Search it up.

Yeah GM and Ford made stuff, of their own volition and without direction, because Trump is, again, a useless retard who refused to do anything.

2. No.

You can disagree all you want but what you said makes no sense in American English. Like, it's genuinely a meaningless statement.

1. #TrumpIsNotAManufacturer
2. It makes lots of sense in American English.

[Kannap]

So you think, if a Democrat had been President right now, yet actually handled the response like an adult, you would have the exact same number of deaths?

La xinga posted:
The WHO declared it a pandemic only on March eleven. States took actions soon after.

Maybe the govs should stop arguing with him??
viewtopic.php?p=37555423#p37555423
This covers the question or argument about what could have Trump done earlier or not.

Good question and an excellent question, but I will rephrase part of your question, So you think, if a Democrat had been President right now, you would have the exact number of deaths? Yes I do, an honest answer.

Why because the virus kills Americans not a Republican President or a Democrat President or a Hillary President (Yuck). Because Americans would have been wearing the masks and social distancing no matter who were president.

No President or world leader can do anything different than what has been done and is being done.

As I posted I would not have blamed a President Hillary, I would have blame the virus that does kill people. But a President Hillary or a President Biden, Yuck as far as I am concerned and my fellow Republican are concerned.

Keep ignoring the responses to this line if it makes you feel better, I guess. Compared to many other nations, America's response has been rubbish. What do you say about countries who have taken more serious measures to prevent spread than we have and have suffered far less deaths proportional to their populations?

La xinga posted:

The WHO declared it a pandemic only on March eleven. States took actions soon after.

Maybe the govs should stop arguing with him??
viewtopic.php?p=37555423#p37555423

That's right, and then Trump said that he was going to use the federal government to protect the American people. Eight days later, he backtracked on that and said that's not his responsibility.

The federal government bought up supplies en masse, refused to distribute them to states as tens of thousands died. States were left not only to compete against each other to acquire PPE and other resources, but try to contact foreign governments to acquire resources - something states are not well equipped to do because it's the federal government's job to coordinate foreign diplomacy.

All for Trump to blame the governors and yell at them for not doing what he wanted them to do... or, in the case of Governor Larry Hogan, yelling at them for doing what he told them to do.

It's now August 23rd, five months and 12 days after WHO declared the pandemic and the United States still doesn't have a plan for handling coronavirus, Trump and the federal government have neglected to do their duty to protect the American people. 175,000 Americans are dead and who knows how many more will die due to this negligence. Trump and everybody else in the government who've failed to act belong in prison for sitting idly by while thousands of Americans die under their watch.

On March 11, Trump said he was "marshalling the full power of the federal government [...] to protect the American people".

On March 19, Trump says "The Federal government is not supposed to be out there buying vast amounts of items and then shipping. You know, we’re not a shipping clerk."

Maybe the argument started because of the Trump administration's mixed signals?

At any rate, the consequence was that the federal government refused necessary aid to states (Kushner: "The notion of the federal stockpile was it’s supposed to be our stockpile. It’s not supposed to be states’ stockpiles that they then use".) and takes it away from them. (California, Florida, Illinois, Kentucky, Massachusetts, New Jersey, among other states report that the federal government is seizing their PPE supplies). That results in states bidding against each other (“I’m bidding on a machine that Illinois is bidding on and California is bidding on and Florida is bidding on. We’re all bidding up each other,” says New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo at a briefing. “I’m trying to figure out how to do business with China where I have no natural connection as a state. And every state has to scramble to find business connections with China.”)

And when governors like Larry Hogan did what Trump said, he still attacked them publicly.

Gov. Larry Hogan (R-MD) followed President Donald Trump’s advice and took coronavirus testing into his own hands. Trump attacked him anyway.

Trump began Monday’s White House coronavirus briefing by criticizing Hogan — chair of the National Governors Association — for turning to a foreign source to buy coronavirus tests.

By the way, it's getting to the end of august, and the US still doesn't have a national plan for the pandemic. No surprise, really, considering what people on Kushner's team were saying:

[...] because the virus had hit blue states hardest, a national plan was unnecessary and would not make sense politically. "The political folks believed that because it was going to be relegated to Democratic states, that they could blame those governors, and that would be an effective political strategy," said the expert.

Seems like the governors had reason to argue.

[Washington Resistance Army]

1. #TrumpIsNotAManufacturer

Do you know what Trump is? The President of the United States. Do you know what the President of the United States can do? Direct the entirety of American industry to immediately begin manufacture of things vital for the nation. Guess what President Donald Trump didn't do? He didn't order American industry to do anything and our response was a disaster because of it.

2. It makes lots of sense in American English.

I'll assume you're not from the US and English isn't your first language, what exactly does it mean?

[Greater Miami Shores]

You these facts? YOU THESE FACTS?

They're not facts if they're not objectively true.

That was a typo, meant to say "You ignore," which you and GMS do.

It seems like anything we link too and say is dismissed by you guys, it seems like anything we link too and say you guys strongly disagree with.

I can assure you all from my conversations with fellow Republicans on discord and other sources many Republicans believe about you guys the same thing you guys believe about them like this but in reverse:

Honestly, I think Trumps most corrosive side effect is the inability his supporters have to accept reality, objectivity, or any kind of truth that goes against their narrative.

Are you surprised? Are any of you surprised?

I can assure you all from my conversations on discord and other sources, many Republicans ignore these threads, because they feel like anything they link too and say is dismissed or disagreed too by you guys.

I am not lying, or making this up.

[La Xinga]

1. #TrumpIsNotAManufacturer

Do you know what Trump is? The President of the United States. Do you know what the President of the United States can do? Direct the entirety of American industry to immediately begin manufacture of things vital for the nation. Guess what President Donald Trump didn't do? He didn't order American industry to do anything and our response was a disaster because of it.

2. It makes lots of sense in American English.

I'll assume you're not from the US and English isn't your first language, what exactly does it mean?

1. Ford and GM did immediately make stuffy stuff. The only thing I see from here is that you want the gov to be involved in everything.
2. It means that Instead of having America get attacked all at once by the virus, each states separately.

it's like instead of throwing a boulder at a person you break it up into tiny pieces.

[Jedi Council]

That was a typo, meant to say "You ignore," which you and GMS do.

It seems like anything we link too and say is dismissed by you guys, it seems like anything we link too and say you guys strongly disagree with.

I can assure you all from my conversations with fellow Republicans on discord and other sources many Republicans believe about you guys the same thing you guys believe about them like this but in reverse:

Honestly, I think Trumps most corrosive side effect is the inability his supporters have to accept reality, objectivity, or any kind of truth that goes against their narrative.

Are you surprised? Are any of you surprised?

I can assure you all from my conversations on discord and other sources, many Republicans ignore these threads, because they feel like anything they link too and say is dismissed or disagreed too by you guys.

I am not lying, or making this up.

The only thing I have ever seen you link to was La Xinga's post, which is not really all that groundbreaking since it only told us when the WHO called Covid a Pandemic, a fact we all already knew.

Use reputable news agencies, or better yet, peer reviewed essays and papers, if you really wanna convince people.

[La Xinga]

It seems like anything we link too and say is dismissed by you guys, it seems like anything we link too and say you guys strongly disagree with.

I can assure you all from my conversations with fellow Republicans on discord and other sources many Republicans believe about you guys the same thing you guys believe about them like this but in reverse:

Honestly, I think Trumps most corrosive side effect is the inability his supporters have to accept reality, objectivity, or any kind of truth that goes against their narrative.

Are you surprised? Are any of you surprised?

I can assure you all from my conversations on discord and other sources, many Republicans ignore these threads, because they feel like anything they link too and say is dismissed or disagreed too by you guys.

I am not lying, or making this up.

The only thing I have ever seen you link to was La Xinga's post, which is not really all that groundbreaking since it only told us when the WHO called Covid a Pandemic, a fact we all already knew.

Use reputable news agencies, or better yet, peer reviewed essays and papers, if you really wanna convince people.

Is there really any news agencies with a reputable reputation? CNN and others is biased dem, Fox biased right.

You can't have a news thing that's not biased!!!

[Washington Resistance Army]

Do you know what Trump is? The President of the United States. Do you know what the President of the United States can do? Direct the entirety of American industry to immediately begin manufacture of things vital for the nation. Guess what President Donald Trump didn't do? He didn't order American industry to do anything and our response was a disaster because of it.



I'll assume you're not from the US and English isn't your first language, what exactly does it mean?

1. Ford and GM did immediately make stuffy stuff. The only thing I see from here is that you want the gov to be involved in everything.

Yeah, wanna know why? It's cuz private companies can't control the flow of logistics and ensure the entire nation gets what they need. Hence why states had to fucking fight each other over supplies.

2. It means that Instead of having America get attacked all at once by the virus, each states separately.

it's like instead of throwing a boulder at a person you break it up into tiny pieces.

Christ in heaven this hurt to read and the only thing I can say is you don't even remotely understand how disease works. Please go spend a couple hours reading a book on the topic or something.

[Valrifell]

Do you know what Trump is? The President of the United States. Do you know what the President of the United States can do? Direct the entirety of American industry to immediately begin manufacture of things vital for the nation. Guess what President Donald Trump didn't do? He didn't order American industry to do anything and our response was a disaster because of it.



I'll assume you're not from the US and English isn't your first language, what exactly does it mean?

2. It means that Instead of having America get attacked all at once by the virus, each states separately.

it's like instead of throwing a boulder at a person you break it up into tiny pieces.

That makes no sense, though, since states can't shut down their borders. A lack of cohesive response just means that the virus will travel in a huge wave across the states as people travel around them into a patchwork of restrictions and lockdown conditions.

Infected people fled hostpots to other states with less restrictive conditions only to spread it around, the only thing that would have prevented this would have been a coherent national response. If there were national mask regulations in the first place, there ma have not been as stark a spike in the Southern states that we've seen the past few weeks.

[Greater Miami Shores]

It seems like anything we link too and say is dismissed by you guys, it seems like anything we link too and say you guys strongly disagree with.

I can assure you all from my conversations with fellow Republicans on discord and other sources many Republicans believe about you guys the same thing you guys believe about them like this but in reverse:

Honestly, I think Trumps most corrosive side effect is the inability his supporters have to accept reality, objectivity, or any kind of truth that goes against their narrative.

Are you surprised? Are any of you surprised?

I can assure you all from my conversations on discord and other sources, many Republicans ignore these threads, because they feel like anything they link too and say is dismissed or disagreed too by you guys.

I am not lying, or making this up.

The only thing I have ever seen you link to was La Xinga's post, which is not really all that groundbreaking since it only told us when the WHO called Covid a Pandemic, a fact we all already knew.

Use reputable news agencies, or better yet, peer reviewed essays and papers, if you really wanna convince people.

You mean like the news sources a certain leftist nation person had the nerve to chose for me to quote from, link to and comment from, decided by the leftist nation person who strongly disagrees with me? I stand by the rest of my post above.

Many of my fellow Republicans feel the same way about you guys as you guys feel about them on my post above. Many do ignore these threads for the reasons I stated above, based on my conversations with them on discord and other right wing site sources. I will ask you all again, are any of you surprised they feel the same way you do but in reverse?

[Jedi Council]

The only thing I have ever seen you link to was La Xinga's post, which is not really all that groundbreaking since it only told us when the WHO called Covid a Pandemic, a fact we all already knew.

Use reputable news agencies, or better yet, peer reviewed essays and papers, if you really wanna convince people.

Is there really any news agencies with a reputable reputation? CNN and others is biased dem, Fox biased right.

You can't have a news thing that's not biased!!!

Yes you can, or rather, have one with less bias than the others.

And provided one recognizes the bias and takes away factual information rather than opinions from a piece, bias is not the most dangerous thing in the world. An article can be biased, and correct, but it just needs to be viewed critically and carefully.

[La Xinga]

1. Ford and GM did immediately make stuffy stuff. The only thing I see from here is that you want the gov to be involved in everything.

Yeah, wanna know why? It's cuz private companies can't control the flow of logistics and ensure the entire nation gets what they need. Hence why states had to fucking fight each other over supplies.

2. It means that Instead of having America get attacked all at once by the virus, each states separately.

it's like instead of throwing a boulder at a person you break it up into tiny pieces.

Christ in heaven this hurt to read and the only thing I can say is you don't even remotely understand how disease works. Please go spend a couple hours reading a book on the topic or something.

Companies can give stuff to states equally or per pop if they wanted to.
2.

2. It means that Instead of having America get attacked all at once by the virus, each states separately.

it's like instead of throwing a boulder at a person you break it up into tiny pieces.

That makes no sense, though, since states can't shut down their borders. A lack of cohesive response just means that the virus will travel in a huge wave across the states as people travel around them into a patchwork of restrictions and lockdown conditions.

Infected people fled hostpots to other states with less restrictive conditions only to spread it around, the only thing that would have prevented this would have been a coherent national response. If there were national mask regulations in the first place, there ma have not been as stark a spike in the Southern states that we've seen the past few weeks.

1. I know NY did.
2. STATES CAN SHUT DOWN!

[Valrifell]

Is there really any news agencies with a reputable reputation? CNN and others is biased dem, Fox biased right.

You can't have a news thing that's not biased!!!

Yes you can, or rather, have one with less bias than the others.

And provided one recognizes the bias and takes away factual information rather than opinions from a piece, bias is not the most dangerous thing in the world. An article can be biased, and correct, but it just needs to be viewed critically and carefully.

Indeed, the counter to a biased media is good media literacy, because some amount of bias is inevitable.

[Jedi Council]

The only thing I have ever seen you link to was La Xinga's post, which is not really all that groundbreaking since it only told us when the WHO called Covid a Pandemic, a fact we all already knew.

Use reputable news agencies, or better yet, peer reviewed essays and papers, if you really wanna convince people.

You mean like the news sources a certain leftist nation person had the nerve to chose for me to quote from, link to and comment from, decided by the leftist nation person who strongly disagrees with me? I stand by the rest of my post above.

Many of my fellow Republicans feel the same way about you guys as you guys feel about them on my post above. Many do ignore these threads for the reasons I stated above, based on my conversations with them on discord and other right wing site sources. I will ask you all again, are any of you surprised they feel the same way you do but in reverse?

No because they are probably all reading Breitbart and Stormcaller.

And no, the media that is unbiased is generally respected by both sides, it's just that Trump and his little cult cant handle any kind of criticism without exploding.

[La Xinga]

Is there really any news agencies with a reputable reputation? CNN and others is biased dem, Fox biased right.

You can't have a news thing that's not biased!!!

Yes you can, or rather, have one with less bias than the others.

And provided one recognizes the bias and takes away factual information rather than opinions from a piece, bias is not the most dangerous thing in the world. An article can be biased, and correct, but it just needs to be viewed critically and carefully.

BUT people can say some lines are biased and some not.

[Zurkerx]

Trump's Voting Lawsuit against Pennsylvania has been put on hold for now.

May he suffer loss after loss until the loss to end all losses in November.

One can only hope. But this is a win for voting rights in PA, and a big lost for Trump.