2020 US General Election Thread VIII: Cs, Ds, and Es

[Cordel One]

For fucks sake. The virus is not sentient. It is not some villain hunting down people. It is just a thing that spreads. And do you know who it was that made it possible for it to spread so quickly and so far? Trump it was Trump and his incompetence. Your post is just you trying to deflect blame in the most illogical way possible.

https://youtu.be/-VBieazmh-U

What GMS thinks covid be like

It's not Trump's incompetence, the virus just hates Americans more than anyone else!

[Greater Miami Shores]

I am working on a long post right now with no drivels as you say. I still say it is not possible for any President or world leaders to be responsible for the deaths of any Americans and other persons because of the international virus crisis, the virus is responsible.

I think my post makes logical sense.

I am seeing the back and forth discussion and arguments you are all having with La xinga. I am not surprised you all keep strongly disagreeing with him, no matter what he links to or says. Are you guys right based on objective realty facts and he is wrong based on objective reality facts? Who decides what objective reality facts are?

I have not had time to read the posts, have any of you agreed with him on anything or not?

For fucks sake. The virus is not sentient. It is not some villain hunting down people. It is just a thing that spreads. And do you know who it was that made it possible for it to spread so quickly and so far? Trump it was Trump and his incompetence. Your post is just you trying to deflect blame in the most illogical way possible.

Sentient or not the virus kills people, the flue kills people, a cold kills people, cancer kills people, diseases kill people, this is why we have nurses and doctors, Presidents and world leaders and President Trump don't kill people because of an international virus crisis. I am not trying to deflect blame in any kind of sense. I think I am making logical sense.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I dont give a fuck if you think its not possible, because it is reality. Trump has completely fucked the response to the pandemic in the US and made things far worse than they needed to be. He is responsible for deaths, regardless of what you say. He is the fucking leader of your country, he should have acted like it instead of an irate child.

I am working on a long post right now with no drivels as you say. I still say it is not possible for any President or world leaders to be responsible for the deaths of any Americans and other persons because of the international virus crisis, the virus is responsible.

I think my post makes logical sense.

I am seeing the back and forth discussion and arguments you are all having with La xinga. I am not surprised you all keep strongly disagreeing with him, no matter what he links to or says.

Are you guys right based on objective realty facts and he is wrong based on objective reality facts?

Who decides what objective reality facts are? You and those who agree with you? or He and those who agree with him?

I have not had time to read the posts, have any of you agreed with him on anything or not?

"Feelings don't care about your facts."

-Donald J. Trump, full time president and part time adulterer

[Borderlands of Rojava]

For fucks sake. The virus is not sentient. It is not some villain hunting down people. It is just a thing that spreads. And do you know who it was that made it possible for it to spread so quickly and so far? Trump it was Trump and his incompetence. Your post is just you trying to deflect blame in the most illogical way possible.

Sentient or not the virus kills people, the flue kills people, a cold kills people, cancer kills people, diseases kill people, this is why we have nurses and doctors, Presidents and world leaders and President Trump don't kill people because of an international virus crisis. I am not trying to deflect blame in any kind of sense. I think I am making logical sense.

If you're drowning and say "Help" and i don't do shit, it would be awfully stupid if someone said "you let him drown" and my response is "I didn't kill him. The water did."

[Borderlands of Rojava]

https://youtu.be/-VBieazmh-U

What GMS thinks covid be like

It's not Trump's incompetence, the virus just hates Americans more than anyone else!

Nobody:

Covid according to GMS: Time to kill some senior citizens again.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Dude you all force me to repeat myself like the broken record I am. Americans are wearing the masks and social distancing the only thing we can do. But Americans are also dying from the virus, perhaps they did not wear them so they died. Perhaps some wear them and still die, especially since we don't wear them 24 hours a day. I don't do you? Do we? Do any of us?

I asked you a question that I will ask all of you again. Who or what is killing Americans during this international virus crisis, President Trump or the virus, you answered both. I think that cant not be possible. I think that is not drivel. I think it makes logical sense that the virus is killing Americans and persons throughout the world, not President Trump or any world leader. or am I posting drivel as you call it?

My Post did not say anything about me being a cultist or not. My Post stated I am a Republican and you guys are Democrat or Democrat supporters True or False?

So you think, if a Democrat had been President right now, yet actually handled the response like an adult, you would have the exact same number of deaths?

He thinks there would be more cause Trump is the best we have.

[Andsed]

For fucks sake. The virus is not sentient. It is not some villain hunting down people. It is just a thing that spreads. And do you know who it was that made it possible for it to spread so quickly and so far? Trump it was Trump and his incompetence. Your post is just you trying to deflect blame in the most illogical way possible.

Sentient or not the virus kills people, the flue kills people, a cold kills people, cancer kills people, diseases kill people, this is why we have nurses and doctors, Presidents and world leaders and President Trump don't kill people because of an international virus crisis. I am not trying to deflect blame in any kind of sense. I think I am making logical sense.

Trump and world leaders who completely fuck up with dealing with the pandemic do get people killed. Trump has gotten tens of thousands of people killed. You talk as much as you want about how the virus was the cause of death, but it was Trump whos incompetence let the virus spread. Trump he was the one who fucked up. He is the one who should be blamed for the tens of thousands who died needlessly and those who lose their jobs, homes, lives because we are not able to reopen any time soon thanks to the state he put is in.

[Washington Resistance Army]

For fucks sake. The virus is not sentient. It is not some villain hunting down people. It is just a thing that spreads. And do you know who it was that made it possible for it to spread so quickly and so far? Trump it was Trump and his incompetence. Your post is just you trying to deflect blame in the most illogical way possible.

Sentient or not the virus kills people, the flue kills people, a cold kills people, cancer kills people, diseases kill people, this is why we have nurses and doctors, Presidents and world leaders and President Trump don't kill people because of an international virus crisis. I am not trying to deflect blame in any kind of sense. I think I am making logical sense.

Hardly anything you say makes sense. Nearly 200,000 Americans have died and Trump is to blame for the majority of those. The research already exists on the matter. If stronger action was taken earlier and for longer the death toll in the US would be far lower.

[Aureumterra]

“That Castro guy sure was a human rights abuser, but at least he made conservatives triggered”

So who's saying anything even remotely close to that?

There should have been a US Naval Blockade of Cuba, nothing goes in, nothing goes out, until the Cuban regime falls from within and without, when the Cuban Balsero Rafter Crisis started by the Cuban regime.

I have to hand it to the late Fidel Castro, his mere existence infuriated so many conservatives and they tried and tried and tried to assassinate him and yet he outlived all the other major players of the whole Cuban revolution/Bay of Pigs/missile crisis era.

And don't go claiming that Castro being leftist made conservatives hate him. It is that he thumbed his nose at them and got away with it (which, in all irony, is actually somewhat trumpy). Being leftist has never been a reason for conservatives to automatically oppose someone.

[Kannap]

Sentient or not the virus kills people, the flue kills people, a cold kills people, cancer kills people, diseases kill people, this is why we have nurses and doctors, Presidents and world leaders and President Trump don't kill people because of an international virus crisis. I am not trying to deflect blame in any kind of sense. I think I am making logical sense.

If you're drowning and say "Help" and i don't do shit, it would be awfully stupid if someone said "you let him drown" and my response is "I didn't kill him. The water did."

*grumbles* evil water

[Greater Miami Shores]

Sentient or not the virus kills people, the flue kills people, a cold kills people, cancer kills people, diseases kill people, this is why we have nurses and doctors, Presidents and world leaders and President Trump don't kill people because of an international virus crisis. I am not trying to deflect blame in any kind of sense. I think I am making logical sense.

Hardly anything you say makes sense. Nearly 200,000 Americans have died and Trump is to blame for the majority of those. The research already exists on the matter. If stronger action was taken earlier and for longer the death toll in the US would be far lower.

La xinga posted:

The WHO declared it a pandemic only on March eleven. States took actions soon after.

Maybe the govs should stop arguing with him??
viewtopic.php?p=37555423#p37555423

[La Xinga]

1. He may have believed that being a shopping clerk was not good for the American people.
2. Yes, a national plan was unnecessary.

Imagine thinking that a coordinated nation wide effort is unnecessary for fighting a pandemic. Just imagine thinking something so wrong.

The only difference is that is good.

[Gravlen]

On March 11, Trump said he was "marshalling the full power of the federal government [...] to protect the American people".

On March 19, Trump says "The Federal government is not supposed to be out there buying vast amounts of items and then shipping. You know, we’re not a shipping clerk."

Maybe the argument started because of the Trump administration's mixed signals?

At any rate, the consequence was that the federal government refused necessary aid to states (Kushner: "The notion of the federal stockpile was it’s supposed to be our stockpile. It’s not supposed to be states’ stockpiles that they then use".) and takes it away from them. (California, Florida, Illinois, Kentucky, Massachusetts, New Jersey, among other states report that the federal government is seizing their PPE supplies). That results in states bidding against each other (“I’m bidding on a machine that Illinois is bidding on and California is bidding on and Florida is bidding on. We’re all bidding up each other,” says New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo at a briefing. “I’m trying to figure out how to do business with China where I have no natural connection as a state. And every state has to scramble to find business connections with China.”)

And when governors like Larry Hogan did what Trump said, he still attacked them publicly.

Gov. Larry Hogan (R-MD) followed President Donald Trump’s advice and took coronavirus testing into his own hands. Trump attacked him anyway.

Trump began Monday’s White House coronavirus briefing by criticizing Hogan — chair of the National Governors Association — for turning to a foreign source to buy coronavirus tests.

By the way, it's getting to the end of august, and the US still doesn't have a national plan for the pandemic. No surprise, really, considering what people on Kushner's team were saying:

[...] because the virus had hit blue states hardest, a national plan was unnecessary and would not make sense politically. "The political folks believed that because it was going to be relegated to Democratic states, that they could blame those governors, and that would be an effective political strategy," said the expert.

Seems like the governors had reason to argue.

1. He may have believed that being a shopping clerk was not good for the American people.

Why would he believe that?

2. Yes, a national plan was unnecessary.

No, the lack of a national plan has contributed to the chaos and confusion (as I showed you above) and has undoubtedly contributed to both the spread and deaths. This was the time when national leadership was a necessity, and it was nowhere to be found.

[Kannap]

Hardly anything you say makes sense. Nearly 200,000 Americans have died and Trump is to blame for the majority of those. The research already exists on the matter. If stronger action was taken earlier and for longer the death toll in the US would be far lower.

La xinga posted:

The WHO declared it a pandemic only on March eleven. States took actions soon after.

Maybe the govs should stop arguing with him??
viewtopic.php?p=37555423#p37555423

That's right, and then Trump said that he was going to use the federal government to protect the American people. Eight days later, he backtracked on that and said that's not his responsibility.

The federal government bought up supplies en masse, refused to distribute them to states as tens of thousands died. States were left not only to compete against each other to acquire PPE and other resources, but try to contact foreign governments to acquire resources - something states are not well equipped to do because it's the federal government's job to coordinate foreign diplomacy.

All for Trump to blame the governors and yell at them for not doing what he wanted them to do... or, in the case of Governor Larry Hogan, yelling at them for doing what he told them to do.

It's now August 23rd, five months and 12 days after WHO declared the pandemic and the United States still doesn't have a plan for handling coronavirus, Trump and the federal government have neglected to do their duty to protect the American people. 175,000 Americans are dead and who knows how many more will die due to this negligence. Trump and everybody else in the government who've failed to act belong in prison for sitting idly by while thousands of Americans die under their watch.

On March 11, Trump said he was "marshalling the full power of the federal government [...] to protect the American people".

On March 19, Trump says "The Federal government is not supposed to be out there buying vast amounts of items and then shipping. You know, we’re not a shipping clerk."

Maybe the argument started because of the Trump administration's mixed signals?

At any rate, the consequence was that the federal government refused necessary aid to states (Kushner: "The notion of the federal stockpile was it’s supposed to be our stockpile. It’s not supposed to be states’ stockpiles that they then use".) and takes it away from them. (California, Florida, Illinois, Kentucky, Massachusetts, New Jersey, among other states report that the federal government is seizing their PPE supplies). That results in states bidding against each other (“I’m bidding on a machine that Illinois is bidding on and California is bidding on and Florida is bidding on. We’re all bidding up each other,” says New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo at a briefing. “I’m trying to figure out how to do business with China where I have no natural connection as a state. And every state has to scramble to find business connections with China.”)

And when governors like Larry Hogan did what Trump said, he still attacked them publicly.

Gov. Larry Hogan (R-MD) followed President Donald Trump’s advice and took coronavirus testing into his own hands. Trump attacked him anyway.

Trump began Monday’s White House coronavirus briefing by criticizing Hogan — chair of the National Governors Association — for turning to a foreign source to buy coronavirus tests.

By the way, it's getting to the end of august, and the US still doesn't have a national plan for the pandemic. No surprise, really, considering what people on Kushner's team were saying:

[...] because the virus had hit blue states hardest, a national plan was unnecessary and would not make sense politically. "The political folks believed that because it was going to be relegated to Democratic states, that they could blame those governors, and that would be an effective political strategy," said the expert.

Seems like the governors had reason to argue.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Hardly anything you say makes sense. Nearly 200,000 Americans have died and Trump is to blame for the majority of those. The research already exists on the matter. If stronger action was taken earlier and for longer the death toll in the US would be far lower.

La xinga posted:

The WHO declared it a pandemic only on March eleven. States took actions soon after.

Maybe the govs should stop arguing with him??
viewtopic.php?p=37555423#p37555423

Arguing with him about what? Not sacrificing the old for the stonks?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

La xinga posted:

The WHO declared it a pandemic only on March eleven. States took actions soon after.

Maybe the govs should stop arguing with him??
viewtopic.php?p=37555423#p37555423

That's right, and then Trump said that he was going to use the federal government to protect the American people. Eight days later, he backtracked on that and said that's not his responsibility.

The federal government bought up supplies en masse, refused to distribute them to states as tens of thousands died. States were left not only to compete against each other to acquire PPE and other resources, but try to contact foreign governments to acquire resources - something states are not well equipped to do because it's the federal government's job to coordinate foreign diplomacy.

All for Trump to blame the governors and yell at them for not doing what he wanted them to do... or, in the case of Governor Larry Hogan, yelling at them for doing what he told them to do.

It's now August 23rd, five months and 12 days after WHO declared the pandemic and the United States still doesn't have a plan for handling coronavirus, Trump and the federal government have neglected to do their duty to protect the American people. 175,000 Americans are dead and who knows how many more will die due to this negligence. Trump and everybody else in the government who've failed to act belong in prison for sitting idly by while thousands of Americans die under their watch.

On March 11, Trump said he was "marshalling the full power of the federal government [...] to protect the American people".

On March 19, Trump says "The Federal government is not supposed to be out there buying vast amounts of items and then shipping. You know, we’re not a shipping clerk."

Maybe the argument started because of the Trump administration's mixed signals?

At any rate, the consequence was that the federal government refused necessary aid to states (Kushner: "The notion of the federal stockpile was it’s supposed to be our stockpile. It’s not supposed to be states’ stockpiles that they then use".) and takes it away from them. (California, Florida, Illinois, Kentucky, Massachusetts, New Jersey, among other states report that the federal government is seizing their PPE supplies). That results in states bidding against each other (“I’m bidding on a machine that Illinois is bidding on and California is bidding on and Florida is bidding on. We’re all bidding up each other,” says New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo at a briefing. “I’m trying to figure out how to do business with China where I have no natural connection as a state. And every state has to scramble to find business connections with China.”)

And when governors like Larry Hogan did what Trump said, he still attacked them publicly.

Gov. Larry Hogan (R-MD) followed President Donald Trump’s advice and took coronavirus testing into his own hands. Trump attacked him anyway.

Trump began Monday’s White House coronavirus briefing by criticizing Hogan — chair of the National Governors Association — for turning to a foreign source to buy coronavirus tests.

By the way, it's getting to the end of august, and the US still doesn't have a national plan for the pandemic. No surprise, really, considering what people on Kushner's team were saying:

[...] because the virus had hit blue states hardest, a national plan was unnecessary and would not make sense politically. "The political folks believed that because it was going to be relegated to Democratic states, that they could blame those governors, and that would be an effective political strategy," said the expert.

Seems like the governors had reason to argue.

So basically, Trump let people in blue states perish.

[La Xinga]

1. He may have believed that being a shopping clerk was not good for the American people.

Why would he believe that?

2. Yes, a national plan was unnecessary.

No, the lack of a national plan has contributed to the chaos and confusion (as I showed you above) and has undoubtedly contributed to both the spread and deaths. This was the time when national leadership was a necessity, and it was nowhere to be found.

1. Maybe cuz he didn't want to see too many cases, rather have it spread out over a length of time by giving it to the states.
2. No it wasn't. I showed above.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Why would he believe that?


No, the lack of a national plan has contributed to the chaos and confusion (as I showed you above) and has undoubtedly contributed to both the spread and deaths. This was the time when national leadership was a necessity, and it was nowhere to be found.

1. Maybe cuz he didn't want to see too many cases, rather have it spread out over a length of time by giving it to the states.
2. No it wasn't. I showed above.

How would trump not sending supplies lower covid cases? It helped it spread and kill.

[Jedi Council]

I dont give a fuck if you think its not possible, because it is reality. Trump has completely fucked the response to the pandemic in the US and made things far worse than they needed to be. He is responsible for deaths, regardless of what you say. He is the fucking leader of your country, he should have acted like it instead of an irate child.

I am working on a long post right now with no drivels as you say. I still say it is not possible for any President or world leaders to be responsible for the deaths of any Americans and other persons because of the international virus crisis, the virus is responsible.

I think my post makes logical sense.

I am seeing the back and forth discussion and arguments you are all having with La xinga. I am not surprised you all keep strongly disagreeing with him, no matter what he links to or says.

Are you guys right based on objective realty facts and he is wrong based on objective reality facts?

Who decides what objective reality facts are? You and those who agree with you? or He and those who agree with him?

I have not had time to read the posts, have any of you agreed with him on anything or not?

No one decides what objective reality is. It just is. That's what the term objective tries to indicate.

The difference between you, La Xinga, and the other posters on this thread is that they use objective facts and reality to make arguments. You ignore these facts entirely and claim they are not facts. You have yet to provide evidence for almost anything you day beyond "I think its logical" which does nothing to prove what you are saying.

Honestly, I think Trumps most corrosive side effect is the inability his supporters have to accept reality, objectivity, or any kind of truth that goes against their narrative.

[La Xinga]

1. Maybe cuz he didn't want to see too many cases, rather have it spread out over a length of time by giving it to the states.
2. No it wasn't. I showed above.

How would trump not sending supplies lower covid cases? It helped it spread and kill.

What supplies was there to send?

[La Xinga]

I am working on a long post right now with no drivels as you say. I still say it is not possible for any President or world leaders to be responsible for the deaths of any Americans and other persons because of the international virus crisis, the virus is responsible.

I think my post makes logical sense.

I am seeing the back and forth discussion and arguments you are all having with La xinga. I am not surprised you all keep strongly disagreeing with him, no matter what he links to or says.

Are you guys right based on objective realty facts and he is wrong based on objective reality facts?

Who decides what objective reality facts are? You and those who agree with you? or He and those who agree with him?

I have not had time to read the posts, have any of you agreed with him on anything or not?

No one decides what objective reality is. It just is. That's what the term objective tries to indicate.

The difference between you, La Xinga, and the other posters on this thread is that they use objective facts and reality to make arguments. You these facts entirely and claim they are not facts. You have yet to provide evidence for almost anything you day beyond "I think its logical" which does nothing to prove what you are saying.

Honestly, I think Trumps most corrosive side effect is the inability his supporters have to accept reality, objectivity, or any kind of truth that goes against their narrative.

You these facts? YOU THESE FACTS?

They're not facts if they're not objectively true.

[Kannap]

That's right, and then Trump said that he was going to use the federal government to protect the American people. Eight days later, he backtracked on that and said that's not his responsibility.

The federal government bought up supplies en masse, refused to distribute them to states as tens of thousands died. States were left not only to compete against each other to acquire PPE and other resources, but try to contact foreign governments to acquire resources - something states are not well equipped to do because it's the federal government's job to coordinate foreign diplomacy.

All for Trump to blame the governors and yell at them for not doing what he wanted them to do... or, in the case of Governor Larry Hogan, yelling at them for doing what he told them to do.

It's now August 23rd, five months and 12 days after WHO declared the pandemic and the United States still doesn't have a plan for handling coronavirus, Trump and the federal government have neglected to do their duty to protect the American people. 175,000 Americans are dead and who knows how many more will die due to this negligence. Trump and everybody else in the government who've failed to act belong in prison for sitting idly by while thousands of Americans die under their watch.

So basically, Trump let people in blue states perish.

Hey, that's 175,000 fewer people voting for Biden. Anything it takes to win, right?

[Washington Resistance Army]

How would trump not sending supplies lower covid cases? It helped it spread and kill.

What supplies was there to send?

Have you ever heard of the Defense Production Act? That thing Trump refused to use?

Hardly anything you say makes sense. Nearly 200,000 Americans have died and Trump is to blame for the majority of those. The research already exists on the matter. If stronger action was taken earlier and for longer the death toll in the US would be far lower.

La xinga posted:

The WHO declared it a pandemic only on March eleven. States took actions soon after.

Maybe the govs should stop arguing with him??
viewtopic.php?p=37555423#p37555423

Yeah, states took action. Not Trump. Cuz he's a useless retard.

[La Xinga]

What supplies was there to send?

Have you ever heard of the Defense Production Act? That thing Trump refused to use?

La xinga posted:

The WHO declared it a pandemic only on March eleven. States took actions soon after.

Maybe the govs should stop arguing with him??
viewtopic.php?p=37555423#p37555423

Yeah, states took action. Not Trump. Cuz he's a useless retard.

1. Das war.
2. I believe it was the right things for the states to take action, so as to not have all states under major attack.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Have you ever heard of the Defense Production Act? That thing Trump refused to use?



Yeah, states took action. Not Trump. Cuz he's a useless retard.

1. Das war.

Clearly you don't actually know anything about the act because it doesn't require a war to be in effect. It allows the president to direct industry towards things deemed vital for national security. Medical equipment was sure as fuck one of those things.

2. I believe it was the right things for the states to take action, so as to not have all states under major attack.

This is literally gibberish.