2020 US General Election Thread VIII: Cs, Ds, and Es

[Kannap]

The virus isn't a supervillain, it's not Voldemort in the Harry Potter series. It'd be watching an earthquake and tsunami hit California and then the governor refuses to provide any kind of aid or rescue and lots of people die as a result and then saying "darn evil earthquake and tsunami."

No, things like this happen. And when they happen it falls on humans, particularly those in charge, to act. Failure to act effectively or efficiently has led to the deaths of nearly 200,000 Americans and you bet your fucking ass I'm blaming those in power for it.

Lets all admit it, the virus is infecting and killing Americans and persons all over the world, not President Trump or any world leader.

Nobody is saying the virus isn't killing people. It is. But perhaps less people would be dead if the U.S. government responded faster and more efficiently, yes?

You blame Trump for the virus deaths.

I blame Trump for the lack of response that led to more deaths.

Have Americans and people throughout the world been wearing masks and social distancing while people died? Yes. But all of you and I have been wearing the masks and social distancing and we have not died.

A lot of Americans aren't wearing masks or social distancing because the rhetoric of Trump and the Republicans have convinced them the virus isn't real, isn't a threat, or that masks are Democrats taking over.

Many of you are still working while wearing the masks and social distancing, the only thing we can do and have been doing. President Trump or a President Biden cant do no different.

There's a massive shit ton that could've been done differently, and then maybe 176,000 Americans wouldn't be dead right now.

So I hope President Trump wins as a Republican which I am. Just like you all hope Biden wins as Democrats and Democrat supporters you are.

I am not a Democrat.

But I hope President Trump wins, I am not a Democrat, I am a Republican supporter of President Trump to keep Making America Great Again, according to my Political views, and there is nothing wrong with it.

What has Trump done to make America "great"? Because America is a thousand massive fucking dumpster fires right now under his leadership. What's he doing?

[Kannap]

Boris Johnson got it, Bolsonaro got it (twice i think), Irans vice president got it.

Few others too i think.


Also we can blame trump for americans dying of the virus, because he was a colossally inept retard who had no idea what the fuck he was doing and botched the response then did his usual " Nah its everyone elses fault, my tv ratings are bigly"

Who or what is killing Americans and persons throughout the world during this international virus crisis, Trump or the virus?

Let's say if Trump enacted measures sooner, didn't withhold supplies from states, and didn't fight governors every step of the way, then only 100,000 Americans would be dead instead of 175,000. Still a lot of dead, but 75,000 fewer. 75k people still living, still with their loved ones.

Is Trump not therefore responsible for the deaths of those 75,000 because of his actions?

[Greater Miami Shores]

lol, nice try, I am having a lol attack not at you at this post,

Oh look a lol attack, the other thing you can say besides a load of inane senseless drivel.

Like seriously, can you conjure any argument that doesnt consist of the same regurgitated stuff about you simultaneously being and not being a cultist and throwing word salad about opinions and facts at the keyboard?

Dude you all force me to repeat myself like the broken record I am. Americans are wearing the masks and social distancing the only thing we can do. But Americans are also dying from the virus, perhaps those who died did not wear them so they died. Perhaps some wear them and still die, especially since we don't wear them 24 hours a day. I don't do you? Do we? Do any of us?

I asked you a question that I will ask all of you again. Who or what is killing Americans during this international virus crisis, President Trump or the virus, you answered both. I think that cant not be possible. I think that is not drivel. I think it makes logical sense that the virus is killing Americans and persons throughout the world, not President Trump or any world leader. or am I posting drivel as you call it?

My Post did not say anything about me being a cultist or not. My Post stated I am a Republican and you guys are Democrat or Democrat supporters True or False?

[La Xinga]

Who or what is killing Americans and persons throughout the world during this international virus crisis, Trump or the virus?

Let's say if Trump enacted measures sooner, didn't withhold supplies from states, and didn't fight governors every step of the way, then only 100,000 Americans would be dead instead of 175,000. Still a lot of dead, but 75,000 fewer. 75k people still living, still with their loved ones.

Is Trump not therefore responsible for the deaths of those 75,000 because of his actions?

The WHO declared it a pandemic only on March eleven. States took actions soon after.

Maybe the govs should stop arguing with him??

[The Huskar Social Union]

Oh look a lol attack, the other thing you can say besides a load of inane senseless drivel.

Like seriously, can you conjure any argument that doesnt consist of the same regurgitated stuff about you simultaneously being and not being a cultist and throwing word salad about opinions and facts at the keyboard?

Dude you all force me to repeat myself like the broken record I am. Americans are wearing the masks and social distancing the only thing we can do. But Americans are also dying from the virus, perhaps they did not wear them so they died. Perhaps some wear them and still die, especially since we don't wear them 24 hours a day. I don't do you? Do we? Do any of us?

I asked you a question that I will ask all of you again. Who or what is killing Americans during this international virus crisis, President Trump or the virus, you answered both. I think that cant not be possible. I think that is not drivel. I think it makes logical sense that the virus is killing Americans and persons throughout the world, not President Trump or any world leader. or may posting drivel?

My Post did not say anything about me being a cultist or not. My Post stated I am a Republican and you guys are Democrat or Democrat supporters True or False?

I dont give a fuck if you think its not possible, because it is reality. Trump has completely fucked the response to the pandemic in the US and made things far worse than they needed to be. He is responsible for deaths, regardless of what you say. He is the fucking leader of your country, he should have acted like it instead of an irate child.

[Kannap]

Oh look a lol attack, the other thing you can say besides a load of inane senseless drivel.

Like seriously, can you conjure any argument that doesnt consist of the same regurgitated stuff about you simultaneously being and not being a cultist and throwing word salad about opinions and facts at the keyboard?

Dude you all force me to repeat myself like the broken record I am. Americans are wearing the masks and social distancing the only thing we can do. But Americans are also dying from the virus, perhaps they did not wear them so they died. Perhaps some wear them and still die, especially since we don't wear them 24 hours a day. I don't do you? Do we? Do any of us?

I asked you a question that I will ask all of you again. Who or what is killing Americans during this international virus crisis, President Trump or the virus, you answered both. I think that cant not be possible. I think that is not drivel. I think it makes logical sense that the virus is killing Americans and persons throughout the world, not President Trump or any world leader. or am I posting drivel as you call it?

My Post did not say anything about me being a cultist or not. My Post stated I am a Republican and you guys are Democrat or Democrat supporters True or False?

It doesn't matter what you think is possible or not, because it happened. Feel free to read up on what's happened in the last few months, its not my job to educate you.

[Jedi Council]

Oh look a lol attack, the other thing you can say besides a load of inane senseless drivel.

Like seriously, can you conjure any argument that doesnt consist of the same regurgitated stuff about you simultaneously being and not being a cultist and throwing word salad about opinions and facts at the keyboard?

Dude you all force me to repeat myself like the broken record I am. Americans are wearing the masks and social distancing the only thing we can do. But Americans are also dying from the virus, perhaps they did not wear them so they died. Perhaps some wear them and still die, especially since we don't wear them 24 hours a day. I don't do you? Do we? Do any of us?

I asked you a question that I will ask all of you again. Who or what is killing Americans during this international virus crisis, President Trump or the virus, you answered both. I think that cant not be possible. I think that is not drivel. I think it makes logical sense that the virus is killing Americans and persons throughout the world, not President Trump or any world leader. or am I posting drivel as you call it?

My Post did not say anything about me being a cultist or not. My Post stated I am a Republican and you guys are Democrat or Democrat supporters True or False?

So you think, if a Democrat had been President right now, yet actually handled the response like an adult, you would have the exact same number of deaths?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Lets all admit it, the virus is infecting and killing Americans and persons all over the world, not President Trump or any world leader.

Nobody is saying the virus isn't killing people. It is. But perhaps less people would be dead if the U.S. government responded faster and more efficiently, yes?

You blame Trump for the virus deaths.

I blame Trump for the lack of response that led to more deaths.

Have Americans and people throughout the world been wearing masks and social distancing while people died? Yes. But all of you and I have been wearing the masks and social distancing and we have not died.

A lot of Americans aren't wearing masks or social distancing because the rhetoric of Trump and the Republicans have convinced them the virus isn't real, isn't a threat, or that masks are Democrats taking over.

Many of you are still working while wearing the masks and social distancing, the only thing we can do and have been doing. President Trump or a President Biden cant do no different.

There's a massive shit ton that could've been done differently, and then maybe 176,000 Americans wouldn't be dead right now.

So I hope President Trump wins as a Republican which I am. Just like you all hope Biden wins as Democrats and Democrat supporters you are.

I am not a Democrat.

But I hope President Trump wins, I am not a Democrat, I am a Republican supporter of President Trump to keep Making America Great Again, according to my Political views, and there is nothing wrong with it.

What has Trump done to make America "great"? Because America is a thousand massive fucking dumpster fires right now under his leadership. What's he doing?

Trump is on his way to making America the worst country in the world.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Let's say if Trump enacted measures sooner, didn't withhold supplies from states, and didn't fight governors every step of the way, then only 100,000 Americans would be dead instead of 175,000. Still a lot of dead, but 75,000 fewer. 75k people still living, still with their loved ones.

Is Trump not therefore responsible for the deaths of those 75,000 because of his actions?

The WHO declared it a pandemic only on March eleven. States took actions soon after.

Maybe the govs should stop arguing with him??

Or maybe trump should stop stealing medical supplies from states he doesn't like, and should stop downplaying the virus and trying to strong-arm states into reopening too soon.

[Jerzylvania]

The Axios interview is a prime example of how utterly wrong that man is in the head. I mean seriously, he is a genuine fucking idiot and a malicious one at that who poses genuine risk to the people of the United States.

See if he wins the election this year, no offence but there is something seriously wrong with America.

There are alot of things seriously wrong with America, Trump is a symptom of serious dysfunction in numerous areas, from education, to their electoral system.

You should watch an old movie from 1957 called "A Face in the Crowd." People knew back then one selfish individual skillfully using TV and radio media could fuck things up. At least the movie had a fitting end.

[Kowani]

Trump's Voting Lawsuit against Pennsylvania has been put on hold for now.

[ArenaC]

Trump's Voting Lawsuit against Pennsylvania has been out on hold for now.

nice (am pennsylvanian so this is good)

[Vassenor]

Trump's Voting Lawsuit against Pennsylvania has been put on hold for now.

Looks like he couldn't find where he'd left all that evidence of postal voting fraud then.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

There are alot of things seriously wrong with America, Trump is a symptom of serious dysfunction in numerous areas, from education, to their electoral system.

You should watch an old movie from 1957 called "A Face in the Crowd." People knew back then one selfish individual skillfully using TV and radio media could fuck things up. At least the movie had a fitting end.

This ends in hell. Unlike a movie.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Trump's Voting Lawsuit against Pennsylvania has been put on hold for now.

May he suffer loss after loss until the loss to end all losses in November.

[Gravlen]

Let's say if Trump enacted measures sooner, didn't withhold supplies from states, and didn't fight governors every step of the way, then only 100,000 Americans would be dead instead of 175,000. Still a lot of dead, but 75,000 fewer. 75k people still living, still with their loved ones.

Is Trump not therefore responsible for the deaths of those 75,000 because of his actions?

The WHO declared it a pandemic only on March eleven. States took actions soon after.

Maybe the govs should stop arguing with him??

On March 11, Trump said he was "marshalling the full power of the federal government [...] to protect the American people".

On March 19, Trump says "The Federal government is not supposed to be out there buying vast amounts of items and then shipping. You know, we’re not a shipping clerk."

Maybe the argument started because of the Trump administration's mixed signals?

At any rate, the consequence was that the federal government refused necessary aid to states (Kushner: "The notion of the federal stockpile was it’s supposed to be our stockpile. It’s not supposed to be states’ stockpiles that they then use".) and takes it away from them. (California, Florida, Illinois, Kentucky, Massachusetts, New Jersey, among other states report that the federal government is seizing their PPE supplies). That results in states bidding against each other (“I’m bidding on a machine that Illinois is bidding on and California is bidding on and Florida is bidding on. We’re all bidding up each other,” says New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo at a briefing. “I’m trying to figure out how to do business with China where I have no natural connection as a state. And every state has to scramble to find business connections with China.”)

And when governors like Larry Hogan did what Trump said, he still attacked them publicly.

Gov. Larry Hogan (R-MD) followed President Donald Trump’s advice and took coronavirus testing into his own hands. Trump attacked him anyway.

Trump began Monday’s White House coronavirus briefing by criticizing Hogan — chair of the National Governors Association — for turning to a foreign source to buy coronavirus tests.

By the way, it's getting to the end of august, and the US still doesn't have a national plan for the pandemic. No surprise, really, considering what people on Kushner's team were saying:

[...] because the virus had hit blue states hardest, a national plan was unnecessary and would not make sense politically. "The political folks believed that because it was going to be relegated to Democratic states, that they could blame those governors, and that would be an effective political strategy," said the expert.

Seems like the governors had reason to argue.

[La Xinga]

The WHO declared it a pandemic only on March eleven. States took actions soon after.

Maybe the govs should stop arguing with him??

On March 11, Trump said he was "marshalling the full power of the federal government [...] to protect the American people".

On March 19, Trump says "The Federal government is not supposed to be out there buying vast amounts of items and then shipping. You know, we’re not a shipping clerk."

Maybe the argument started because of the Trump administration's mixed signals?

At any rate, the consequence was that the federal government refused necessary aid to states (Kushner: "The notion of the federal stockpile was it’s supposed to be our stockpile. It’s not supposed to be states’ stockpiles that they then use".) and takes it away from them. (California, Florida, Illinois, Kentucky, Massachusetts, New Jersey, among other states report that the federal government is seizing their PPE supplies). That results in states bidding against each other (“I’m bidding on a machine that Illinois is bidding on and California is bidding on and Florida is bidding on. We’re all bidding up each other,” says New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo at a briefing. “I’m trying to figure out how to do business with China where I have no natural connection as a state. And every state has to scramble to find business connections with China.”)

And when governors like Larry Hogan did what Trump said, he still attacked them publicly.

Gov. Larry Hogan (R-MD) followed President Donald Trump’s advice and took coronavirus testing into his own hands. Trump attacked him anyway.

Trump began Monday’s White House coronavirus briefing by criticizing Hogan — chair of the National Governors Association — for turning to a foreign source to buy coronavirus tests.

By the way, it's getting to the end of august, and the US still doesn't have a national plan for the pandemic. No surprise, really, considering what people on Kushner's team were saying:

[...] because the virus had hit blue states hardest, a national plan was unnecessary and would not make sense politically. "The political folks believed that because it was going to be relegated to Democratic states, that they could blame those governors, and that would be an effective political strategy," said the expert.

Seems like the governors had reason to argue.

1. He may have believed that being a shopping clerk was not good for the American people.
2. Yes, a national plan was unnecessary.

[Washington Resistance Army]

2. Yes, a national plan was unnecessary.

Genuinely the dumbest thing a human being can say in response to a global pandemic.

[Solvokina]

Trump's Voting Lawsuit against Pennsylvania has been put on hold for now.

Looks like he couldn't find where he'd left all that evidence of postal voting fraud then.

Da rasuuuoons cauzd the electon 2 be fake

[Andsed]

On March 11, Trump said he was "marshalling the full power of the federal government [...] to protect the American people".

On March 19, Trump says "The Federal government is not supposed to be out there buying vast amounts of items and then shipping. You know, we’re not a shipping clerk."

Maybe the argument started because of the Trump administration's mixed signals?

At any rate, the consequence was that the federal government refused necessary aid to states (Kushner: "The notion of the federal stockpile was it’s supposed to be our stockpile. It’s not supposed to be states’ stockpiles that they then use".) and takes it away from them. (California, Florida, Illinois, Kentucky, Massachusetts, New Jersey, among other states report that the federal government is seizing their PPE supplies). That results in states bidding against each other (“I’m bidding on a machine that Illinois is bidding on and California is bidding on and Florida is bidding on. We’re all bidding up each other,” says New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo at a briefing. “I’m trying to figure out how to do business with China where I have no natural connection as a state. And every state has to scramble to find business connections with China.”)

And when governors like Larry Hogan did what Trump said, he still attacked them publicly.

Gov. Larry Hogan (R-MD) followed President Donald Trump’s advice and took coronavirus testing into his own hands. Trump attacked him anyway.

Trump began Monday’s White House coronavirus briefing by criticizing Hogan — chair of the National Governors Association — for turning to a foreign source to buy coronavirus tests.

By the way, it's getting to the end of august, and the US still doesn't have a national plan for the pandemic. No surprise, really, considering what people on Kushner's team were saying:

[...] because the virus had hit blue states hardest, a national plan was unnecessary and would not make sense politically. "The political folks believed that because it was going to be relegated to Democratic states, that they could blame those governors, and that would be an effective political strategy," said the expert.

Seems like the governors had reason to argue.

1. He may have believed that being a shopping clerk was not good for the American people.
2. Yes, a national plan was unnecessary.

Imagine thinking that a coordinated nation wide effort is unnecessary for fighting a pandemic. Just imagine thinking something so wrong.

[Kannap]

On March 11, Trump said he was "marshalling the full power of the federal government [...] to protect the American people".

On March 19, Trump says "The Federal government is not supposed to be out there buying vast amounts of items and then shipping. You know, we’re not a shipping clerk."

Maybe the argument started because of the Trump administration's mixed signals?

At any rate, the consequence was that the federal government refused necessary aid to states (Kushner: "The notion of the federal stockpile was it’s supposed to be our stockpile. It’s not supposed to be states’ stockpiles that they then use".) and takes it away from them. (California, Florida, Illinois, Kentucky, Massachusetts, New Jersey, among other states report that the federal government is seizing their PPE supplies). That results in states bidding against each other (“I’m bidding on a machine that Illinois is bidding on and California is bidding on and Florida is bidding on. We’re all bidding up each other,” says New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo at a briefing. “I’m trying to figure out how to do business with China where I have no natural connection as a state. And every state has to scramble to find business connections with China.”)

And when governors like Larry Hogan did what Trump said, he still attacked them publicly.

Gov. Larry Hogan (R-MD) followed President Donald Trump’s advice and took coronavirus testing into his own hands. Trump attacked him anyway.

Trump began Monday’s White House coronavirus briefing by criticizing Hogan — chair of the National Governors Association — for turning to a foreign source to buy coronavirus tests.

By the way, it's getting to the end of august, and the US still doesn't have a national plan for the pandemic. No surprise, really, considering what people on Kushner's team were saying:

[...] because the virus had hit blue states hardest, a national plan was unnecessary and would not make sense politically. "The political folks believed that because it was going to be relegated to Democratic states, that they could blame those governors, and that would be an effective political strategy," said the expert.

Seems like the governors had reason to argue.

1. He may have believed that being a shopping clerk was not good for the American people.
2. Yes, a national plan was unnecessary.

1. I also believe that some of my responsibilities and duties at my job are not good, but I get fired if I don't do them. But what do I know, I'm just a warehouse worker, I don't have the ability to kill 176,000 people.

2. Clearly it hasn't be unnecessary.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Dude you all force me to repeat myself like the broken record I am. Americans are wearing the masks and social distancing the only thing we can do. But Americans are also dying from the virus, perhaps they did not wear them so they died. Perhaps some wear them and still die, especially since we don't wear them 24 hours a day. I don't do you? Do we? Do any of us?

I asked you a question that I will ask all of you again. Who or what is killing Americans during this international virus crisis, President Trump or the virus, you answered both. I think that cant not be possible. I think that is not drivel. I think it makes logical sense that the virus is killing Americans and persons throughout the world, not President Trump or any world leader. or may posting drivel?

My Post did not say anything about me being a cultist or not. My Post stated I am a Republican and you guys are Democrat or Democrat supporters True or False?

I dont give a fuck if you think its not possible, because it is reality. Trump has completely fucked the response to the pandemic in the US and made things far worse than they needed to be. He is responsible for deaths, regardless of what you say. He is the fucking leader of your country, he should have acted like it instead of an irate child.

I am working on a long post right now with no drivels as you say. I still say it is not possible for any President or world leaders to be responsible for the deaths of any Americans and other persons because of the international virus crisis, the virus is responsible.

I think my post makes logical sense.

I am seeing the back and forth discussion and arguments you are all having with La xinga. I am not surprised you all keep strongly disagreeing with him, no matter what he links to or says.

Are you guys right based on objective realty facts and he is wrong based on objective reality facts?

Who decides what objective reality facts are? You and those who agree with you? or He and those who agree with him?

I have not had time to read the posts, have any of you agreed with him on anything or not?

[Jerzylvania]

You should watch an old movie from 1957 called "A Face in the Crowd." People knew back then one selfish individual skillfully using TV and radio media could fuck things up. At least the movie had a fitting end.

This ends in hell. Unlike a movie.

I don't know how it ends. I'd prefer to remain optimistic but my gut talks like you. As for "A Face in the Crowd," unlike many older films which become hopelessly outdated as the decades pass, this one doesn't and it's point still sticks. Check it out.

[Andsed]

I dont give a fuck if you think its not possible, because it is reality. Trump has completely fucked the response to the pandemic in the US and made things far worse than they needed to be. He is responsible for deaths, regardless of what you say. He is the fucking leader of your country, he should have acted like it instead of an irate child.

I am working on a long post right now with no drivels as you say. I still say it is not possible for any President or world leaders to be responsible for the deaths of any Americans and other persons because of the international virus crisis, the virus is responsible.

I think my post makes logical sense.

I am seeing the back and forth discussion and arguments you are all having with La xinga. I am not surprised you all keep strongly disagreeing with him, no matter what he links to or says. Are you guys right based on objective realty facts and he is wrong based on objective reality facts? Who decides what objective reality facts are?

I have not had time to read the posts, have any of you agreed with him on anything or not?

For fucks sake. The virus is not sentient. It is not some villain hunting down people. It is just a thing that spreads. And do you know who it was that made it possible for it to spread so quickly and so far? Trump it was Trump and his incompetence. Your post is just you trying to deflect blame in the most illogical way possible.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I am working on a long post right now with no drivels as you say. I still say it is not possible for any President or world leaders to be responsible for the deaths of any Americans and other persons because of the international virus crisis, the virus is responsible.

I think my post makes logical sense.

I am seeing the back and forth discussion and arguments you are all having with La xinga. I am not surprised you all keep strongly disagreeing with him, no matter what he links to or says. Are you guys right based on objective realty facts and he is wrong based on objective reality facts? Who decides what objective reality facts are?

I have not had time to read the posts, have any of you agreed with him on anything or not?

For fucks sake. The virus is not sentient. It is not some villain hunting down people. It is just a thing that spreads. And do you know who it was that made it possible for it to spread so quickly and so far? Trump it was Trump and his incompetence. Your post is just you trying to deflect blame in the most illogical way possible.

https://youtu.be/-VBieazmh-U

What GMS thinks covid be like