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How Many Votes Do You Expect to be Early Votes Nationwide?

0-10%
22
7%
10-20%
51
17%
20-30%
85
28%
30-40%
66
21%
40-50%
45
15%
50%+
39
13%
 
Total votes : 308

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Postby Post War America » Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:41 pm

Cordel One wrote:
Post War America wrote:
The hUmAn NaTuRe argument dies here.

Linked are studies demonstrating that falsity of human nature being centered around greed and competition, with psychological surveys demonstrating that altruistic behavior makes people want to be more altruistic, and that young children, who have not fully been socialized are naturally inclined towards altruism. Archaeological evidence that suggests that disabled people, who would have been a net negative to their groups were cared for in spite of the competitive disadvantage that would cause. As well as two demonstrations of some of the most significant medical advancements in history being made without promise of reward but because they were intended to cure social ills.

Do you mind if I put this in my factbook of refutations for overused talking points?


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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:41 pm

Jerzylvania wrote:
Post War America wrote:
The hUmAn NaTuRe argument dies here.

Linked are studies demonstrating that falsity of human nature being centered around greed and competition, with psychological surveys demonstrating that altruistic behavior makes people want to be more altruistic, and that young children, who have not fully been socialized are naturally inclined towards altruism. Archaeological evidence that suggests that disabled people, who would have been a net negative to their groups were cared for in spite of the competitive disadvantage that would cause. As well as two demonstrations of some of the most significant medical advancements in history being made without promise of reward but because they were intended to cure social ills.


This is true. Children I have taught in Elementary and Middle school are quite altruistic and extremely protective of their fellow students with disabilities and other short comings. This behavior is a beautiful thing to behold.

I mean, anyone who's had to spend time around their friend's babies and toddlers...all those little fuckers do is hand you shit. Like, "Oh shit, this one doesn't have any toys or books, I better give them all of mine."
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Postby Kannap » Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:41 pm

Zurkerx wrote:
Kannap wrote:Majority of Republicans - 57% - think the number of COVID deaths in the United States is acceptable

31% of overall voters said the number of deaths is acceptable.

90% of Democrats and 61% of independents said the number of deaths is unacceptable.


It's actually 67% for Independents. But the honest fuck? In what world is saying 175K+ deaths is "acceptable" due to our handling? Eh, I'm not surprised anymore.


I imagine the majority of Republicans would find 175,000 deaths unacceptable if Hillary Clinton were President.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:43 pm

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San Lumen wrote:Why hasn’t such a law been passed? My opinion is it would likely violate the first amendment


We already have laws that bar people from holding office.

Not like what’s being proposed by some people.


I asked a friend of mine who Is a constitutional lawyer and he said it would violate the 1st Amendment and the constitution is clear about who can and cannot run for public office
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:44 pm

Kannap wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
It's actually 67% for Independents. But the honest fuck? In what world is saying 175K+ deaths is "acceptable" due to our handling? Eh, I'm not surprised anymore.


I imagine the majority of Republicans would find 175,000 deaths unacceptable if Hillary Clinton were President.

I would not blame Hillary, I would blame the virus. But I am happy Hillary did not become President and Republican President Trump won.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:44 pm

Post War America wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:I am saying socialist communism as practiced all over the world, I am aware the socialists say true socialism has not been tried, which I strongly think does not work, because it goes against human nature, call it and human nature whatever you will. True Socialists like yourself and others should not support Fidel, Raúl Castro and the Cuban regime, which live like rich upper class socialist capitalists, but you do:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1235120


The hUmAn NaTuRe argument dies here.

Linked are studies demonstrating that falsity of human nature being centered around greed and competition, with psychological surveys demonstrating that altruistic behavior makes people want to be more altruistic, and that young children, who have not fully been socialized are naturally inclined towards altruism. Archaeological evidence that suggests that disabled people, who would have been a net negative to their groups were cared for in spite of the competitive disadvantage that would cause. As well as two demonstrations of some of the most significant medical advancements in history being made without promise of reward but because they were intended to cure social ills.


We must live in the worst of times then, considering how widespread human selfishness is. It ain't even natural.
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Postby Jedi Council » Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:45 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Kannap wrote:
I imagine the majority of Republicans would find 175,000 deaths unacceptable if Hillary Clinton were President.

I would not blame Hillary, I would blame the virus. But I am happy Hillary did not become President and Republican President Trump won.

If Hillary were President, and America performed as poorly as it is now due to inaction, or blatant stupidity, blaming her would be logical.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:46 pm

Zurkerx wrote:
Kannap wrote:Majority of Republicans - 57% - think the number of COVID deaths in the United States is acceptable

31% of overall voters said the number of deaths is acceptable.

90% of Democrats and 61% of independents said the number of deaths is unacceptable.


It's actually 67% for Independents. But the honest fuck? In what world is saying 175K+ deaths is "acceptable" due to our handling? Eh, I'm not surprised anymore.

I just started looking at the questionaire to see if it's a matter of phrasing, but got caught on the first question trying to figure out these cats:
1. Generally speaking, do you feel things in America today are going...
Very well . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .8%
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Postby Telconi » Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:47 pm

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A revolution to overthrow Joe Biden would most certainly be justified.


You need something more than "he doesn't think my gun collection is the greatest thing in the history of ever" if you want to justify a revolution.


I don't. But thanks for playing.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:47 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Kannap wrote:
I imagine the majority of Republicans would find 175,000 deaths unacceptable if Hillary Clinton were President.

I would not blame Hillary, I would blame the virus. But I am happy Hillary did not become President and Republican President Trump won.


Ah yes, the evil virus. The unthinking, possibly not even living evil virus.

The virus just is. The government response to said disaster was evil and all of my liberal left wing friends of all races (white Caucasians, black African Americans, latino hispanics, Asian East Eurasians and Indigenous Native Americans and others) agree with me.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:51 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Jerzylvania wrote:
This is true. Children I have taught in Elementary and Middle school are quite altruistic and extremely protective of their fellow students with disabilities and other short comings. This behavior is a beautiful thing to behold.

I mean, anyone who's had to spend time around their friend's babies and toddlers...all those little fuckers do is hand you shit. Like, "Oh shit, this one doesn't have any toys or books, I better give them all of mine."


Of course, once those sex hormones begin kicking in... some get a lot more competitive about stuff.
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Postby Andsed » Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:53 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Kannap wrote:
I imagine the majority of Republicans would find 175,000 deaths unacceptable if Hillary Clinton were President.

I would not blame Hillary, I would blame the virus. But I am happy Hillary did not become President and Republican President Trump won.

¨Blame the virus?¨ What a silly thing to say.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:54 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:I would not blame Hillary, I would blame the virus. But I am happy Hillary did not become President and Republican President Trump won.

If Hillary were President, and America performed as poorly as it is now due to inaction, or blatant stupidity, blaming her would be logical.

No, President Trump and all world leaders, Republican and Democrat governors are not responsible for the deaths of Americans because of the virus, the virus is responsible for the deaths of Americans.

President Trump did listen to the health experts, did tell Americans in news conferences to wear the masks and social distance, I saw it on tv, you saw it on tv and we all saw it on tv. But the leftists Democrats and Democrat supporters blame President Trump for anything and everything. I am not surprised it is called Politics.

The economic lockdowns were enacted by Republican and Democrat governors.

The higher unemployment rate because of the virus has fallen 3 times in a row over the last 3 months. I Posted about it twice and my post was ignored by the Leftists and Pro Democrat Biden supporters on NS. I am not surprised.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:56 pm

Andsed wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:I would not blame Hillary, I would blame the virus. But I am happy Hillary did not become President and Republican President Trump won.

¨Blame the virus?¨ What a silly thing to say.


They literally misunderstand personification, don't they?
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Postby Cordel One » Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:57 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Post War America wrote:
The hUmAn NaTuRe argument dies here.

Linked are studies demonstrating that falsity of human nature being centered around greed and competition, with psychological surveys demonstrating that altruistic behavior makes people want to be more altruistic, and that young children, who have not fully been socialized are naturally inclined towards altruism. Archaeological evidence that suggests that disabled people, who would have been a net negative to their groups were cared for in spite of the competitive disadvantage that would cause. As well as two demonstrations of some of the most significant medical advancements in history being made without promise of reward but because they were intended to cure social ills.


We must live in the worst of times then, considering how widespread human selfishness is. It ain't even natural.

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Postby Andsed » Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:58 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:If Hillary were President, and America performed as poorly as it is now due to inaction, or blatant stupidity, blaming her would be logical.

No, President Trump and all world leaders, Republican and Democrat governors are not responsible for the deaths of Americans because of the virus, the virus is responsible for the deaths of Americans.

President Trump did listen to the health experts, did tell Americans in news conferences to wear the masks and social distance, I saw it on tv, you saw it on tv and we all saw it on tv. But the leftists Democrats and Democrat supporters blame President Trump for anything and everything. I am not surprised it is called Politics.

The economic lockdowns were enacted by Republican and Democrat governors.

The higher unemployment rate because of the virus has fallen 3 times in a row over the last 3 months. I Posted about it twice and my post was ignored by the Leftists and Pro Democrat Biden supporters on NS. I am not surprised.

A virus is not some sentient force hunting down people. It is just a virus, it is not responsible for anything. Trump on the other hand is responsible for his utter incompetence in handling the virus that has made it so America is hardest hit nation in the world. His response is why unlike other nations like India or Italy who kept their death counts in the tens of thousands, we have around 174,000. We could have gotten control of this if Trump had acted swiftly and decisively. He did not and how look where we are. Trump is responsible for countless Americans dying and the US being in a terrible position to reopen.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Aug 23, 2020 2:00 pm

Cordel One wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
We must live in the worst of times then, considering how widespread human selfishness is. It ain't even natural.

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Postby Vassenor » Sun Aug 23, 2020 2:00 pm

Andsed wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:No, President Trump and all world leaders, Republican and Democrat governors are not responsible for the deaths of Americans because of the virus, the virus is responsible for the deaths of Americans.

President Trump did listen to the health experts, did tell Americans in news conferences to wear the masks and social distance, I saw it on tv, you saw it on tv and we all saw it on tv. But the leftists Democrats and Democrat supporters blame President Trump for anything and everything. I am not surprised it is called Politics.

The economic lockdowns were enacted by Republican and Democrat governors.

The higher unemployment rate because of the virus has fallen 3 times in a row over the last 3 months. I Posted about it twice and my post was ignored by the Leftists and Pro Democrat Biden supporters on NS. I am not surprised.

A virus is not some sentient force hunting down people. It is just a virus, it is not responsible for anything. Trump on the other hand is responsible for his utter incompetence in handling the virus that has made it so America is hardest hit nation in the world. His response is why unlike other nations like India or Italy who kept their death counts in the tens of thousands, we have around 174,000. We could have gotten control of this if Trump had acted swiftly and decisively. He did not and how look where we are. Trump is responsible for countless Americans dying and the US being in a terrible position to reopen.


Especially when he was doing things like making access to federal aid to states dependent on how much the governors in question publically praised him.
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Gravlen wrote:Aaron Coleman in Kansas reportedly resigns, leaves the race.


Was he the revenge porn guy or are we still waiting for him to go?
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Postby Shrillland » Sun Aug 23, 2020 2:16 pm

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Gravlen wrote:Aaron Coleman in Kansas reportedly resigns, leaves the race.


Was he the revenge porn guy or are we still waiting for him to go?


No, that's the revenge porn guy.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Sun Aug 23, 2020 2:19 pm

Shrillland wrote:
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Was he the revenge porn guy or are we still waiting for him to go?


No, that's the revenge porn guy.


Good riddance.
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Postby Kannap » Sun Aug 23, 2020 2:20 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Kannap wrote:
I imagine the majority of Republicans would find 175,000 deaths unacceptable if Hillary Clinton were President.

I would not blame Hillary, I would blame the virus. But I am happy Hillary did not become President and Republican President Trump won.


The virus isn't a supervillain, it's not Voldemort in the Harry Potter series. It'd be watching an earthquake and tsunami hit California and then the governor refuses to provide any kind of aid or rescue and lots of people die as a result and then saying "darn evil earthquake and tsunami."

No, things like this happen. And when they happen it falls on humans, particularly those in charge, to act. Failure to act effectively or efficiently has led to the deaths of nearly 200,000 Americans and you bet your fucking ass I'm blaming those in power for it.
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Postby Kannap » Sun Aug 23, 2020 2:22 pm

Gravlen wrote:Aaron Coleman in Kansas reportedly resigns, leaves the race.


Source

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