2020 US General Election Thread VIII: Cs, Ds, and Es

[Greater Miami Shores]

WRA, Lumen, who the hell cares? You're not going to have a breakthrough here.

I'm curious to hear what everyone thinks about what affect, if any, the Woodward interview will have on Trump's re-election chances? Will it do nothing whatsoever to his numbers, or might this have him take a small hit he really doesn't need?

It won't move the needle much in terms of support given we've seen some Trump Supporters flat-out call COVID-19 "a hoax", but I do see two things happening:

1. The support currently being maintained by both candidates will solidify and

2. Undecided/third party voters will have a tougher time supporting Trump, especially after admitting he knew the dangers of COVID-19 but downplayed it anyway.

Undecided/third party voters are smaller group this year. As WRA has mentioned, people have made up their minds regarding Trump, which isn't good for him given he needs as much support as he can get. This also doesn't help Biden either but I think we can expect those that were somewhat committed to Biden will fully back him now. It doesn't help Trump either that he has a -12 to a -15 net favorability rating while Biden's is somewhere between -2 to +5. Trump doesn't have the benefit of going against Clinton this time, and that has made some Democrats, who sat out, more eager to support Biden as the nominee.

The higher unemployment rate due to the virus crisis not Trump has decreased over the last four months to 8.4 %. This improving lower unemployment rate should help Trump win the election, no matter what the leftists on NS keep saying about it. I think the poll you posted on most independent voters thinking President Trump will win the debates, is better on the economy and such should be higher.

While most states vote a certain way, I think the debates will decide this election either way, as they always do, especially with independent voters. If your poll holds Trump should win the election.

I cant find this poll you posted, and I really don't have much time left right now, I need to go out for a few hours soon.

[Jerzylvania]

I doubt it'll do anything tbh. People have had their minds made up for years now on Trump. Everyone is far too partisan to actually change.

I just really want to know what the breaking point is for the Trump base. If the guy outright saying "I lied about the severity of a virus that killed 200,000 Americans isn't enough," I'm inclined to agree that there is no breaking point anymore.

If Trump came out and seriously decried racism (which he won't). Say he'd gave a long speech genuinely agree with the NFL players' messages in last nights opening game. And continued to follow that up, day after day, week after week, until everyone knew he wasn't kidding. IMO that's the only thing that could break his base in half. These MAGA defectors would largely be comprised of the rural poor, mostly having HS diplomas or less education.

[Jerzylvania]

Oh shit, Biden's at the same Flight 93 memorial.

Trump was there and managed to not embarrass himself, didn't turn it into a campaign speech or self aggrandizing. He focused the victims and the event. So soon it will be Biden's turn, he's gotta keep it classy. If he speaks. The graphic just says he's there.

Apparently Biden and Pence came face to face and did a friendly elbow bump. Nice to see.

[Greater Miami Shores]

WRA, Lumen, who the hell cares? You're not going to have a breakthrough here.

I'm curious to hear what everyone thinks about what affect, if any, the Woodward interview will have on Trump's re-election chances? Will it do nothing whatsoever to his numbers, or might this have him take a small hit he really doesn't need?

I doubt it'll do anything tbh. People have had their minds made up for years now on Trump. Everyone is far too partisan to actually change.

Ahw thank you for admitting Democrats and Democrat supporters are Partisans too, Partisans and biased towards their own different, economic, political and social views, which I always say there is nothing wrong with it.

[San Lumen]

I doubt it'll do anything tbh. People have had their minds made up for years now on Trump. Everyone is far too partisan to actually change.

Ahw thank you for admitting Democrats and Democrat supporters are Partisans too, Partisans and biased towards their own different, economic, political and social views, which I always say there is nothing wrong with it.

Bias is another term you like to throw around without understanding the meaning.

Again Here is a example of the difference between fact and opinion . Tallahassee is the capital of Florida is a fact. An opinion would be the city is crime ridden and has high poverty because its run by Democrats.

[Major-Tom]

I just really want to know what the breaking point is for the Trump base. If the guy outright saying "I lied about the severity of a virus that killed 200,000 Americans isn't enough," I'm inclined to agree that there is no breaking point anymore.

If Trump came out and seriously decried racism (which he won't). Say he'd gave a long speech genuinely agree with the NFL players' messages in last nights opening game. And continued to follow that up, day after day, week after week, until everyone knew he wasn't kidding. IMO that's the only thing that could break his base in half. These MAGA defectors would largely be comprised of the rural poor, mostly having HS diplomas or less education.

I'd be careful with your latter characterization, there. Trends from 2016 and currently indicate that Trump's base, by and large, is comparably wealthy compared to Biden's core base. Just a caveat, it plays into the tired trope of "leftists demonize rural white poor people!"

[Kexholm and Karelia]

I just really want to know what the breaking point is for the Trump base. If the guy outright saying "I lied about the severity of a virus that killed 200,000 Americans isn't enough," I'm inclined to agree that there is no breaking point anymore.

If Trump came out and seriously decried racism (which he won't). Say he'd gave a long speech genuinely agree with the NFL players' messages in last nights opening game. And continued to follow that up, day after day, week after week, until everyone knew he wasn't kidding. IMO that's the only thing that could break his base in half. These MAGA defectors would largely be comprised of the rural poor, mostly having HS diplomas or less education.

Lol the vast majority of Trump supporters aren’t racist, if they were, I would have probably been beaten up by now

[Greater Miami Shores]

Ahw thank you for admitting Democrats and Democrat supporters are Partisans too, Partisans and biased towards their own different, economic, political and social views, which I always say there is nothing wrong with it.

Bias is another term you like to throw around without understanding the meaning.

Again Here is a example of the difference between fact and opinion . Tallahassee is the capital of Florida is a fact. An opinion would be the city is crime ridden and has high poverty because its run by Democrats.

I throw around, they throw around at me all the time, when we strongly disagree, and they are always right and I am always wrong, according to them, based on objective reality facts, according to them, decided by them.

[San Lumen]

Bias is another term you like to throw around without understanding the meaning.

Again Here is a example of the difference between fact and opinion . Tallahassee is the capital of Florida is a fact. An opinion would be the city is crime ridden and has high poverty because its run by Democrats.

I throw around, they throw around at me all the time, when we strongly disagree, and they are always right and I am always wrong, according to them, based on objective reality facts, according to them, decided by them.

A typical non response from you. Did you simply gloss over what I wrote about the difference between fact and opinion? You can't be this obtuse.

[Kowani]

If Trump came out and seriously decried racism (which he won't). Say he'd gave a long speech genuinely agree with the NFL players' messages in last nights opening game. And continued to follow that up, day after day, week after week, until everyone knew he wasn't kidding. IMO that's the only thing that could break his base in half. These MAGA defectors would largely be comprised of the rural poor, mostly having HS diplomas or less education.

Lol the vast majority of Trump supporters aren’t racist, if they were, I would have probably been beaten up by now

Racism and Sexism were literally the largest two reasons people voted for Trump.

[West Bromwich Holme]

Racism and Sexism were literally the largest two reasons people voted for Trump.

Or was it because Trump didn't have a "traditional" political background, but had been trying to enter since the 2000s?

[Vassenor]

Racism and Sexism were literally the largest two reasons people voted for Trump.

Or was it because Trump didn't have a "traditional" political background, but had been trying to enter since the 2000s?

So your response to data proving a thing is to scream that it might not be.

Let's see the data backing up your interpretation then.

[Cannot think of a name]

Oh shit, Biden's at the same Flight 93 memorial.

Trump was there and managed to not embarrass himself, didn't turn it into a campaign speech or self aggrandizing. He focused the victims and the event. So soon it will be Biden's turn, he's gotta keep it classy. If he speaks. The graphic just says he's there.

Apparently Biden and Pence came face to face and did a friendly elbow bump. Nice to see.

You can rely on them to be adults. It's just the idiot at the top.

As far as I can tell Biden won't be speaking, which makes way more sense. He's a candidate, not even a sitting senator. Him speaking would make it inherently a campaign event.

[Jerzylvania]

If Trump came out and seriously decried racism (which he won't). Say he'd gave a long speech genuinely agree with the NFL players' messages in last nights opening game. And continued to follow that up, day after day, week after week, until everyone knew he wasn't kidding. IMO that's the only thing that could break his base in half. These MAGA defectors would largely be comprised of the rural poor, mostly having HS diplomas or less education.

I'd be careful with your latter characterization, there. Trends from 2016 and currently indicate that Trump's base, by and large, is comparably wealthy compared to Biden's core base. Just a caveat, it plays into the tired trope of "leftists demonize rural white poor people!"

Well sorry to disagree with your assessment. A very large portion of the folks that fill the ballot boxes with votes for Trump in the several southern and central land locked red states are mostly rural poor with HS or less. Polling reflects that. Not all of them support racist ideology but plenty of them lean that direction. I live in a mostly rural state currently and have lived in several states in mostly rural areas. It's a qualified take on this, tired trope or not.

[Kowani]

Racism and Sexism were literally the largest two reasons people voted for Trump.

Or was it because Trump didn't have a "traditional" political background, but had been trying to enter since the 2000s?

You have any data to that effect?

[Cannot think of a name]

Racism and Sexism were literally the largest two reasons people voted for Trump.

Or was it because Trump didn't have a "traditional" political background, but had been trying to enter since the 2000s?

When the text is a different color and underlined, it's a link. Usually to a source for the information that you could look at instead of guessing.

[Jerzylvania]

Apparently Biden and Pence came face to face and did a friendly elbow bump. Nice to see.

You can rely on them to be adults. It's just the idiot at the top.

As far as I can tell Biden won't be speaking, which makes way more sense. He's a candidate, not even a sitting senator. Him speaking would make it inherently a campaign event.

Yep. The idiot at the top is the culprit.

Good to see a glimpse of some political functionality. It's a good look for Biden and also for Pence.

[West Bromwich Holme]

Or was it because Trump didn't have a "traditional" political background, but had been trying to enter since the 2000s?

You have any data to that effect?[/quote]

This sort of thing.

Or was it because Trump didn't have a "traditional" political background, but had been trying to enter since the 2000s?

When the text is a different color and underlined, it's a link. Usually to a source for the information that you could look at instead of guessing.

My mistake! Sorry.

[Vassenor]

Or was it because Trump didn't have a "traditional" political background, but had been trying to enter since the 2000s?

You have any data to that effect?

This sort of thing.

Or was it because Trump didn't have a "traditional" political background, but had been trying to enter since the 2000s?

When the text is a different color and underlined, it's a link. Usually to a source for the information that you could look at instead of guessing.

My mistake! Sorry. [/quote]

And what polling data do they base that conclusion on?

[Greater Miami Shores]

Lol the vast majority of Trump supporters aren’t racist, if they were, I would have probably been beaten up by now

Racism and Sexism were literally the largest two reasons people voted for Trump.

If you use a source that agrees with you on Trump of course it is going to make your point. I have been called everything in the book and then some by the leftists on NS.

I have been called in negative terms, a neo con, a deplorable, racist, biased, a cultist, a Republican cultist, a Trump cultist, a snow flake, a liar, and it must sock too be me for lying so much, a right wing nut job, everything and anything on NS by the leftists, but you all never call yourself s any of these terms.

The personal and political insults, Pro Castro, Pro Cuba jokes and statements too me and too each other, even on threads that have nothing to do with the Castros and Cuba, they don't understand only strengthens me.

It must sock too be me for lying so much, even when I proved with a video link I did not lie, I was still declared wrong and they right by them, all the time, based on objective reality facts decided by them, and I am the one who is biased, lol.

I need to go out right now for a few hours, Peace over and out and stay safe from the virus that is responsible for killing people, not Trump, no matter how much you all love to blame him for it.

[Liriena]

Racism and Sexism were literally the largest two reasons people voted for Trump.

If you use a source that agrees with you on Trump of course it is going to make your point.

Do you believe that there is such a thing as a knowable observable reality? Because it looks like you don't.

[Kowani]

Or was it because Trump didn't have a "traditional" political background, but had been trying to enter since the 2000s?

You have any data to that effect?

This sort of thing.
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That's not...data. It's an assertion with no data to back it up.

[Greater Miami Shores]

If you use a source that agrees with you on Trump of course it is going to make your point.

Do you believe that there is such a thing as a knowable observable reality? Because it looks like you don't.

Perhaps, but not when it is decided by those leftists who strongly disagree with me all the time, I really need to leave right now for a few hours. I leave NS on, so if you see me online I am not really online, Peace over and out, and stay safe from the virus that is responsible for killing persons, not Trump, no matter what you all say and love to blame him for.

[West Bromwich Holme]

You have any data to that effect?

This sort of thing.

That's not...data. It's an assertion with no data to back it up.[/quote]

Ah. OK. New-ish to political threads.

[Kowani]

Racism and Sexism were literally the largest two reasons people voted for Trump.

If you use a source that agrees with you on Trump of course it is going to make your point.

The study doesn't say anything about Trump.

I have been called everything in the book and then some by the leftists on NS.

I have been called in negative terms, a neo con, a deplorable, racist, biased, a cultist, a Republican cultist, a Trump cultist, a snow flake, a liar, and it must sock too be me for lying so much, a right wing nut job, everything and anything on NS by the leftists, but you all never call yourself s any of these terms.

Well, it would be very odd for leftists to call other leftists right-wing nutjobs.