2020 US General Election Thread VIII: Cs, Ds, and Es

[Thermodolia]

Every debate on communism here be like

☭: Communism is cool
$: Communist Russia/China/etc are bad and kill people
☭: Those places aren't communist as they don't follow communist values and ideas
$: haha nOt ReAl CoMmUnIsM, communism doesn't work
☭: no seriously, the best examples of communist ideology are the Paris Commune, EZLN, etc.
$: They're not really communist though
☭: They still follow communist values, and most others were destroyed
$: communism doesn't work
☭: Seriously? We were just talking about this.

The USSR wasn’t communist according to you and other an-coms. But to the M-Ls they definitely where communist or at least working towards it

[Nuroblav]

lol, tell that too me, I am not rich but I am not poor in America, the USA. I own my own house bought and paid for, I own 2 rental properties, I used to work for a major defense contractor corporation in Chicago, with excellent health and benefits, stocks and 401 K plans. I am satisfied with my health insurance. I have vacationed in Florida many times, Canada, Santo Domingo Dominican Republic 3 times and Puerto Rico 3 times, I am planning another vacation trip to Santo Domingo Dominican Republic as soon as I can, overall not a bad life, I consider myself middle class.

Unfortunately this isn't the case for most people. Nice to see you're having a good life, but it means nothing when most people don't have it that way.

[Greater Miami Shores]

lol, tell that too me, I am not rich but I am not poor in America, the USA. I own my own house bought and paid for, I own 2 rental properties, I used to work for a major defense contractor corporation in Chicago, with excellent health and benefits, stocks and 401 K plans. I am satisfied with my health insurance. I have vacationed in Florida, Canada, Santo Domingo Dominican Republic 3 times and Puerto Rico 3 times, I am planning another vacation trip to Santo Domingo Dominican Republic as soon as I can, overall not a bad life, I consider myself middle class.

I did just tell it to you. Your wealth and rental properties should be nationalized as far as I'm concerned.

I am not surprised if you are a socialist. Pure socialism has not worked anywhere and does not work. This is why as a Republican in the USA I support Capitalism, Free Market Economics.

I think this is the second time you have stated this to me, the first time long ago on a previous post, where I posted the above in more exact details.

Perhaps you have seen my Posts my family in Cuba was middle class, we had houses, farms and the hotel bar and restaurant. Voltaire was the rich upper class Padrino of my family in Cuba, a member of high society. Had 3 family style restaurants in La Habana, and many investments in Cuban businesses, all nationalized by the so called Cuban socialist revolution.

Voltaire once told me, we were ready, willing and able to help Fidel, but he turned against us and nationalize all our businesses. When Voltaire told me this, I thinked he might have been part of the group of rich upper class Cubans who supported Fidel, thinking he was not a communist. But out of personal respect for Voltaire as family I did not bring the sensitive subject.

I would have been the general manager of his restaurants in Cuba and Miami.

The Fidel, Raúl and the Cuban socialist governing elite live like rich upper class capitalists, while demanding socialist sacrifices from the Cuban people like from my family still in Cuba. Please view the Link which proves my post.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1235120

[Cordel One]

Every debate on communism here be like

☭: Communism is cool
$: Communist Russia/China/etc are bad and kill people
☭: Those places aren't communist as they don't follow communist values and ideas
$: haha nOt ReAl CoMmUnIsM, communism doesn't work
☭: no seriously, the best examples of communist ideology are the Paris Commune, EZLN, etc.
$: They're not really communist though
☭: They still follow communist values, and most others were destroyed
$: communism doesn't work
☭: Seriously? We were just talking about this.

The USSR wasn’t communist according to you and other an-coms. But to the M-Ls they definitely where communist or at least working towards it

Most MLs I've talked to think that was the case until Stalin showed up.

[Kannap]

Yes, that is evident now. Was that evident in 2016?

Yes. Trump has been anti-Vaxx since before 2016

Disappointing. It's a shame Lumen supports a country where Donald Trump is allowed to be President.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I did just tell it to you. Your wealth and rental properties should be nationalized as far as I'm concerned.

I am not surprised if you are a socialist. Pure socialism has not worked anywhere and does not work. This is why as a Republican in the USA I support Capitalism, Free Market Economics.

I think this is the second time you have stated this to me, the first time long ago on a previous post, where I posted the above in more exact details.

Perhaps you have seen my Posts my family in Cuba was middle class, we had houses, farms and the hotel bar and restaurant. Voltaire the rich upper class Padrino of my family in Cuba, had 3 family style restaurants in La Habana, and many investments in Cuban businesses, all nationalized by the so called Cuban socialist revolution.

The Fidel, Raúl and the Cuban socialist governing elite live like rich upper class capitalists, while demanding socialist sacrifices from the Cuban people like my family still in Cuba. Please view the Link which proves my post.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1235120

I explicitly reject socialism and communism in addition to capitalism.

Your family wasn't middle class and neither are you, you're firmly in the upper class and your family in Cuba was as well. I'll be frank I don't really have any sympathy, nobody needs to own that much shit and I happily would have seized it all too.

[Post War America]

I did just tell it to you. Your wealth and rental properties should be nationalized as far as I'm concerned.

I am not surprised if you are a socialist. Pure socialism has not worked anywhere and does not work. This is why as a Republican in the USA I support Capitalism, Free Market Economics.

I think this is the second time you have stated this to me, the first time long ago on a previous post, where I posted the above in more exact details.

Perhaps you have seen my Posts my family in Cuba was middle class, we had houses, farms and the hotel bar and restaurant. Voltaire the rich upper class Padrino of my family in Cuba, had 3 family style restaurants in La Habana, and many investments in Cuban businesses, all nationalized by the so called Cuban socialist revolution.

The Fidel, Raúl and the Cuban socialist governing elite live like rich upper class capitalists, while demanding socialist sacrifices from the Cuban people like from my family still in Cuba. Please view the Link which proves my post.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1235120

Bruh, WRA is Third Positionist... that's a fancy term for Fascist.

I shouldn't be surprised however, that you're one of those "cAsTrO sToLe ThE fAmIlY sUgAr PlAnTaTiOn AnD aLl OuR 'sErVaNtS'" folks. I've found that a rather disconcerting number of Anti-Castro Cubans are capitalists salty about being expropriated.

[Nuroblav]

I am not surprised if you are a socialist. Pure socialism has not worked anywhere and does not work. This is why as a Republican in the USA I support Capitalism, Free Market Economics.

I think this is the second time you have stated this to me, the first time long ago on a previous post, where I posted the above in more exact details.

Perhaps you have seen my Posts my family in Cuba was middle class, we had houses, farms and the hotel bar and restaurant. Voltaire the rich upper class Padrino of my family in Cuba, had 3 family style restaurants in La Habana, and many investments in Cuban businesses, all nationalized by the so called Cuban socialist revolution.

The Fidel, Raúl and the Cuban socialist governing elite live like rich upper class capitalists, while demanding socialist sacrifices from the Cuban people like from my family still in Cuba. Please view the Link which proves my post.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1235120

Fairly certain WRA is Third Pos (but I get quite confused by their views sometimes so I might be wrong).

Again, what is pure socialism in this case? Also again, most people don't tend to reach that level and stay as working class. I'm not a big fan of Cuba's government at all, but I wouldn't call that as a justification for continuously oppressing the working class economically.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I am not surprised if you are a socialist. Pure socialism has not worked anywhere and does not work. This is why as a Republican in the USA I support Capitalism, Free Market Economics.

I think this is the second time you have stated this to me, the first time long ago on a previous post, where I posted the above in more exact details.

Perhaps you have seen my Posts my family in Cuba was middle class, we had houses, farms and the hotel bar and restaurant. Voltaire the rich upper class Padrino of my family in Cuba, had 3 family style restaurants in La Habana, and many investments in Cuban businesses, all nationalized by the so called Cuban socialist revolution.

The Fidel, Raúl and the Cuban socialist governing elite live like rich upper class capitalists, while demanding socialist sacrifices from the Cuban people like from my family still in Cuba. Please view the Link which proves my post.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1235120

Bruh, WRA is Third Positionist... that's a fancy term for Fascist.

I shouldn't be surprised however, that you're one of those "cAsTrO sToLe ThE fAmIlY sUgAr PlAnTaTiOn AnD aLl OuR 'sErVaNtS'" folks. I've found that a rather disconcerting number of Anti-Castro Cubans are capitalists salty about being expropriated.

fwiw I explicitly reject Italian Fascism and German National Socialism as well, I use third positionist as a simple description to describe opposition to the status quo and the most popular alternatives that currently have followings

[Post War America]

Bruh, WRA is Third Positionist... that's a fancy term for Fascist.

I shouldn't be surprised however, that you're one of those "cAsTrO sToLe ThE fAmIlY sUgAr PlAnTaTiOn AnD aLl OuR 'sErVaNtS'" folks. I've found that a rather disconcerting number of Anti-Castro Cubans are capitalists salty about being expropriated.

fwiw I explicitly reject Italian Fascism and German National Socialism as well, I use third positionist as a simple description to describe opposition to the status quo and the most popular alternatives that currently have followings

You should perhaps come up with a different term then, as Third Positionism is pretty well known as Anti-Capitalist Fascism.

[Heloin]

I am not surprised if you are a socialist. Pure socialism has not worked anywhere and does not work. This is why as a Republican in the USA I support Capitalism, Free Market Economics.

I think this is the second time you have stated this to me, the first time long ago on a previous post, where I posted the above in more exact details.

Perhaps you have seen my Posts my family in Cuba was middle class, we had houses, farms and the hotel bar and restaurant. Voltaire the rich upper class Padrino of my family in Cuba, had 3 family style restaurants in La Habana, and many investments in Cuban businesses, all nationalized by the so called Cuban socialist revolution.

The Fidel, Raúl and the Cuban socialist governing elite live like rich upper class capitalists, while demanding socialist sacrifices from the Cuban people like from my family still in Cuba. Please view the Link which proves my post.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1235120

Fairly certain WRA is Third Pos (but I get quite confused by their views sometimes so I might be wrong).

Again, what is pure socialism in this case? Also again, most people don't tend to reach that level and stay as working class. I'm not a big fan of Cuba's government at all, but I wouldn't call that as a justification for continuously oppressing the working class economically.

I'm pretty sure GMS is trying to say Communism in the utopian sense but doesn't realise there's a world of difference between socialists and communists.

[Thermodolia]

I did just tell it to you. Your wealth and rental properties should be nationalized as far as I'm concerned.

I am not surprised if you are a socialist. Pure socialism has not worked anywhere and does not work. This is why as a Republican in the USA I support Capitalism, Free Market Economics.

I think this is the second time you have stated this to me, the first time long ago on a previous post, where I posted the above in more exact details.

Perhaps you have seen my Posts my family in Cuba was middle class, we had houses, farms and the hotel bar and restaurant. Voltaire was the rich upper class Padrino of my family in Cuba, a member of high society. Had 3 family style restaurants in La Habana, and many investments in Cuban businesses, all nationalized by the so called Cuban socialist revolution.

Voltaire once told me, we were ready, willing and able to help Fidel, but he turned against us and nationalize all our businesses. When Voltaire told me this, I thinked he might have been part of the group of rich upper class Cubans who supported Fidel, thinking he was not a communist. But out of personal respect for Voltaire as family I did not bring the sensitive subject.

I would have been the general manager of his restaurants in Cuba and Miami.

The Fidel, Raúl and the Cuban socialist governing elite live like rich upper class capitalists, while demanding socialist sacrifices from the Cuban people like from my family still in Cuba. Please view the Link which proves my post.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1235120

WRA is third positionist. And I agree with him. I would have also Nationalized your stuff. You don’t need 3 houses when most Americans can barely afford rent

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Every debate on communism here be like

☭: Communism is cool
$: Communist Russia/China/etc are bad and kill people
☭: Those places aren't communist as they don't follow communist values and ideas
$: haha nOt ReAl CoMmUnIsM, communism doesn't work
☭: no seriously, the best examples of communist ideology are the Paris Commune, EZLN, etc.
$: They're not really communist though
☭: They still follow communist values, and most others were destroyed
$: communism doesn't work
☭: Seriously? We were just talking about this.

EZLN is still going strong as is Barbacha.

[Greater Miami Shores]

I am not surprised if you are a socialist. Pure socialism has not worked anywhere and does not work. This is why as a Republican in the USA I support Capitalism, Free Market Economics.

I think this is the second time you have stated this to me, the first time long ago on a previous post, where I posted the above in more exact details.

Perhaps you have seen my Posts my family in Cuba was middle class, we had houses, farms and the hotel bar and restaurant. Voltaire the rich upper class Padrino of my family in Cuba, had 3 family style restaurants in La Habana, and many investments in Cuban businesses, all nationalized by the so called Cuban socialist revolution.

The Fidel, Raúl and the Cuban socialist governing elite live like rich upper class capitalists, while demanding socialist sacrifices from the Cuban people like from my family still in Cuba. Please view the Link which proves my post.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1235120

Bruh, WRA is Third Positionist... that's a fancy term for Fascist.

I shouldn't be surprised however, that you're one of those "cAsTrO sToLe ThE fAmIlY sUgAr PlAnTaTiOn AnD aLl OuR 'sErVaNtS'" folks. I've found that a rather disconcerting number of Anti-Castro Cubans are capitalists salty about being expropriated.

I think you would be too, if your nation's government seized your home and businesses, while the governing elite live like rich socialist capitalists, like this:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1235120

I don't know if you are American and live in the USA.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I did just tell it to you. Your wealth and rental properties should be nationalized as far as I'm concerned.

I am not surprised if you are a socialist. Pure socialism has not worked anywhere and does not work. This is why as a Republican in the USA I support Capitalism, Free Market Economics.

I think this is the second time you have stated this to me, the first time long ago on a previous post, where I posted the above in more exact details.

Perhaps you have seen my Posts my family in Cuba was middle class, we had houses, farms and the hotel bar and restaurant. Voltaire was the rich upper class Padrino of my family in Cuba, a member of high society. Had 3 family style restaurants in La Habana, and many investments in Cuban businesses, all nationalized by the so called Cuban socialist revolution.

Voltaire once told me, we were ready, willing and able to help Fidel, but he turned against us and nationalize all our businesses. When Voltaire told me this, I thinked he might have been part of the group of rich upper class Cubans who supported Fidel, thinking he was not a communist. But out of personal respect for Voltaire as family I did not bring the sensitive subject.

I would have been the general manager of his restaurants in Cuba and Miami.

The Fidel, Raúl and the Cuban socialist governing elite live like rich upper class capitalists, while demanding socialist sacrifices from the Cuban people like from my family still in Cuba. Please view the Link which proves my post.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1235120

I'm sure the EZLN would totally agree with you that socialism doesn't work.

Its so incompetent that we need Trump to stand against it to save America.

[Cordel One]

Bruh, WRA is Third Positionist... that's a fancy term for Fascist.

I shouldn't be surprised however, that you're one of those "cAsTrO sToLe ThE fAmIlY sUgAr PlAnTaTiOn AnD aLl OuR 'sErVaNtS'" folks. I've found that a rather disconcerting number of Anti-Castro Cubans are capitalists salty about being expropriated.

fwiw I explicitly reject Italian Fascism and German National Socialism as well, I use third positionist as a simple description to describe opposition to the status quo and the most popular alternatives that currently have followings

You might want to use different descriptions then, a lot of us thought you were a fascist.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Bruh, WRA is Third Positionist... that's a fancy term for Fascist.

I shouldn't be surprised however, that you're one of those "cAsTrO sToLe ThE fAmIlY sUgAr PlAnTaTiOn AnD aLl OuR 'sErVaNtS'" folks. I've found that a rather disconcerting number of Anti-Castro Cubans are capitalists salty about being expropriated.

fwiw I explicitly reject Italian Fascism and German National Socialism as well, I use third positionist as a simple description to describe opposition to the status quo and the most popular alternatives that currently have followings

Maybe you're a right wing populist.

[Thermodolia]

Bruh, WRA is Third Positionist... that's a fancy term for Fascist.

I shouldn't be surprised however, that you're one of those "cAsTrO sToLe ThE fAmIlY sUgAr PlAnTaTiOn AnD aLl OuR 'sErVaNtS'" folks. I've found that a rather disconcerting number of Anti-Castro Cubans are capitalists salty about being expropriated.

I think you would be too, if your nation's government seized your home and businesses, while the governing elite live like rich socialist capitalists, like this:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1235120

I don't know if you are American and live in the USA.

The majority of us don’t have any businesses or homes to seize. 83% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. I am apart of that 83% I have to worry constantly about what I do because if I miss more than a day of work I’m fucked

[Post War America]

Bruh, WRA is Third Positionist... that's a fancy term for Fascist.

I shouldn't be surprised however, that you're one of those "cAsTrO sToLe ThE fAmIlY sUgAr PlAnTaTiOn AnD aLl OuR 'sErVaNtS'" folks. I've found that a rather disconcerting number of Anti-Castro Cubans are capitalists salty about being expropriated.

I think you would be too, if your nation's government seized your home and businesses, while the governing elite live like rich socialist capitalists, like this:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1235120

I don't know if you are American and live in the USA.

I mean, I'd expect I'd be a worker, and of no higher than professional class anywhere I went. So owning one home might be an achievable goal, but not three, and a restaurant, and other businesses. Pretending that you are anything less than upper class is ridiculous.

I am a US citizen yes, but I have also lived for at least a few months in El Salvador, Guatemala, Spain, and the People's Republic of China. Care to guess which ones I found more livable?

[Vascotozzer II]

fwiw I explicitly reject Italian Fascism and German National Socialism as well, I use third positionist as a simple description to describe opposition to the status quo and the most popular alternatives that currently have followings

So in other words: 'highly based'

[San Lumen]

I think Trump and Pence is unfit for office. If I was on the board of elections should I be able to bar them from the ballot in New York?

We're talking about banning Nazis and Q Anon types, science-deniers, anti-vaxxers.

Not Republicans. You may not like them, but here we are.

Also your hypothetical is irrelevant. If I were in a position to ban people from office, I'd ban Republicans and Democrats.

I'm not advocating for the playing out of my wildest fantasy, I'm advocating for reasonably unfit persons - per other first world countries - to be withheld from office.

Why have no Boards of elections or Secretaries of State done what you want of no state passed such a law? Most likely because it would be held as unconstitutional in a court challenge.
It’s similar in a way to laws banning atheists from holding public office. You cannot have a religious test for office

[Greater Miami Shores]

Fairly certain WRA is Third Pos (but I get quite confused by their views sometimes so I might be wrong).

Again, what is pure socialism in this case? Also again, most people don't tend to reach that level and stay as working class. I'm not a big fan of Cuba's government at all, but I wouldn't call that as a justification for continuously oppressing the working class economically.

I'm pretty sure GMS is trying to say Communism in the utopian sense but doesn't realise there's a world of difference between socialists and communists.

I am saying socialist communism as practiced all over the world, I am aware the socialists say true socialism has not been tried, which I strongly think does not work, because it goes against human nature, call it and human nature whatever you will. True Socialists like yourself and others should not support Fidel, Raúl Castro and the Cuban regime, which live like rich upper class socialist capitalists, but you do:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1235120

[Nuroblav]

I think you would be too, if your nation's government seized your home and businesses, while the governing elite live like rich socialist capitalists, like this:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1235120

I don't know if you are American and live in the USA.

Most people wouldn't have businesses to begin with. You seem pretty well off with the businesses and your current status. Again, the elite government is a problem, but Cuba isn't a strong representation of all socialism, bear that in mind.

[Jedi Council]

Bruh, WRA is Third Positionist... that's a fancy term for Fascist.

I shouldn't be surprised however, that you're one of those "cAsTrO sToLe ThE fAmIlY sUgAr PlAnTaTiOn AnD aLl OuR 'sErVaNtS'" folks. I've found that a rather disconcerting number of Anti-Castro Cubans are capitalists salty about being expropriated.

I think you would be too, if your nation's government seized your home and businesses, while the governing elite live like rich socialist capitalists, like this:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1235120

I don't know if you are American and live in the USA.

So you're mad your family's wealth got taken away, just so other people could be wealthy, even though by American standards, you're still wealthy.

Sounds like capitalism all right.

[Heloin]

I'm pretty sure GMS is trying to say Communism in the utopian sense but doesn't realise there's a world of difference between socialists and communists.

I am saying socialist communism as practiced all over the world, I am aware the socialists say true socialism has not been tried, which I strongly think does not work, because it goes against human nature, call it and human nature whatever you will. True Socialists like yourself and others should not support Fidel, Raúl Castro and the Cuban regime, which live like rich upper class socialist capitalists, but you do:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1235120

Thanks for proving the answer I gave to Nuroblav I guess.