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2020 US General Election Thread VIII: Cs, Ds, and Es

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How Many Votes Do You Expect to be Early Votes Nationwide?

0-10%
22
7%
10-20%
51
17%
20-30%
85
28%
30-40%
66
21%
40-50%
45
15%
50%+
39
13%
 
Total votes : 308

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:09 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
Post War America wrote:What you don't find the frequent bouts of partisan hackery amusing anymore?

The irony, both Lumen and GMS are just two sides of the same coin of partisan hackery.

How am I partisan hack? Is that your general label for anyone who disagrees with you? If I was a partisan hack would I be disapproving of my governor’s actions? The answer is no.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:12 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:The irony, both Lumen and GMS are just two sides of the same coin of partisan hackery.

How am I partisan hack? Is that your general label for anyone who disagrees with you? If I was a partisan act would disapproving of my governor’s actions? The answer is no.

Who's your governor?
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:13 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:
San Lumen wrote:How am I partisan hack? Is that your general label for anyone who disagrees with you? If I was a partisan act would disapproving of my governor’s actions? The answer is no.

Who's your governor?

Cuomo

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Postby Post War America » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:15 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:The irony, both Lumen and GMS are just two sides of the same coin of partisan hackery.

How am I partisan hack? Is that your general label for anyone who disagrees with you? If I was a partisan act would disapproving of my governor’s actions? The answer is no.


I mean, the whole Democrats good, Republicans bad shtick, the refusal to see any faults in pro-Democratic party media, and the one liner responses that make it painfully obvious you haven't actually read what you're responding to in favor of what seems like a common pre-prepared Democratic argument would indicate that. While GMS is probably worse about his mindless defending of the GOP you are far from clean on the matter.

It should also be remarked that GMS also claims to be disapproving of some of the things Donald Trump does, and indeed outright attacks certain members of the GOP, and yet its still pretty blatant that he engages in hackery. Ergo, you doing the same does not absolve you of the charge.
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Postby Dresderstan » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:16 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:The irony, both Lumen and GMS are just two sides of the same coin of partisan hackery.

How am I partisan hack? Is that your general label for anyone who disagrees with you? If I was a partisan hack would I be disapproving of my governor’s actions? The answer is no.

All you do is shill for the Democrats, GMS shills for the GOP, don't tell me your this fucking blind.
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Biden and Trump are traitors to America.
Imagine being shocked about the fact of greed, corruption, and abuse of power in government.
The media is a propaganda tool fueling the two parties hyperpartisanship and killing the country, it's time to end the "freedom of the press"
Violence against the government is and should be accepted by the people, especially when said government wants to and is actively stripping away your constitutional rights.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:16 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:The irony, both Lumen and GMS are just two sides of the same coin of partisan hackery.

How am I partisan hack? Is that your general label for anyone who disagrees with you? If I was a partisan hack would I be disapproving of my governor’s actions? The answer is no.

I would never call you or anyone a partisan hack, just like I am not a partisan hack, as I have posted I strongly disagree with Trump on his betrayal of the Kurds, North Korea and Afghanistan.

I agree with Joe Biden everyone should wear the masks, even as I hate the dam things.

I agree with you on no recall elections, no discrimination of gays and blacks.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:18 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:How am I partisan hack? Is that your general label for anyone who disagrees with you? If I was a partisan hack would I be disapproving of my governor’s actions? The answer is no.

All you do is shill for the Democrats, GMS shills for the GOP, don't tell me your this fucking blind.

No I don’t. There are a few republicans I like.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:19 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:How am I partisan hack? Is that your general label for anyone who disagrees with you? If I was a partisan hack would I be disapproving of my governor’s actions? The answer is no.

All you do is shill for the Democrats, GMS shills for the GOP, don't tell me your this fucking blind.


Except that's not true. San Lumen has been very critical of Democratic Governors in the coronavirus thread.
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Postby Dresderstan » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:19 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:All you do is shill for the Democrats, GMS shills for the GOP, don't tell me your this fucking blind.

No I don’t.

Yes you do, you constantly go on the "Democrats good, Republicans bad"
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Biden and Trump are traitors to America.
Imagine being shocked about the fact of greed, corruption, and abuse of power in government.
The media is a propaganda tool fueling the two parties hyperpartisanship and killing the country, it's time to end the "freedom of the press"
Violence against the government is and should be accepted by the people, especially when said government wants to and is actively stripping away your constitutional rights.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:20 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:No I don’t.

Yes you do, you constantly go on the "Democrats good, Republicans bad"

No I don’t. There a few Republicans currently in office I do in fact like.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:21 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:No I don’t.

Yes you do, you constantly go on the "Democrats good, Republicans bad"

Yes, Republicans say Republicans good, Democrats bad, and Democrats say Republicans bad and Democrats good.
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Postby Dresderstan » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:21 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:Yes you do, you constantly go on the "Democrats good, Republicans bad"

No I don’t. There a few Republicans currently in office I do in fact like.

Okay then, name some then.
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Imagine being shocked about the fact of greed, corruption, and abuse of power in government.
The media is a propaganda tool fueling the two parties hyperpartisanship and killing the country, it's time to end the "freedom of the press"
Violence against the government is and should be accepted by the people, especially when said government wants to and is actively stripping away your constitutional rights.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:24 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:No I don’t. There a few Republicans currently in office I do in fact like.

Okay then, name some then.

Governor DeWine of Ohio, Scott in Vermont, Baker in Massachusetts.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:25 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:Okay then, name some then.

Governor DeWine of Ohio, Scott in Vermont, Baker in Massachusetts.

Is it because they criticize Trump or because you really like them and support them?
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Postby Dresderstan » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:25 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:Okay then, name some then.

Governor DeWine of Ohio, Scott in Vermont, Baker in Massachusetts.

So then why do you constantly go on about how Republicans are bat shit crazy people electing and picking bat shit crazy people?
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Biden and Trump are traitors to America.
Imagine being shocked about the fact of greed, corruption, and abuse of power in government.
The media is a propaganda tool fueling the two parties hyperpartisanship and killing the country, it's time to end the "freedom of the press"
Violence against the government is and should be accepted by the people, especially when said government wants to and is actively stripping away your constitutional rights.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:27 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Governor DeWine of Ohio, Scott in Vermont, Baker in Massachusetts.

So then why do you constantly go on about how Republicans are bat shit crazy people electing and picking bat shit crazy people?


In most of the country they are moving further and further to the right as evidenced by nominating people like Majorie Greene.

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:27 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:No I don’t. There a few Republicans currently in office I do in fact like.

Okay then, name some then.


That's done. Now how about you point out a post where you criticized President Trump?
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:28 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Governor DeWine of Ohio, Scott in Vermont, Baker in Massachusetts.

So then why do you constantly go on about how Republicans are bat shit crazy people electing and picking bat shit crazy people?


It might have something to do with the bat-shit crazy President being a Republican. Just a guess.
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Postby Dresderstan » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:30 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:So then why do you constantly go on about how Republicans are bat shit crazy people electing and picking bat shit crazy people?


In most of the country they are moving further and further to the right as evidenced by nominating people like Majorie Greene.

And the Democrats in most of the country are moving further and further to the left what with the likes of Sanders, who I last checked you mentioned you had severe disagreements, said he wouldn't get nominated twice and what you once described as having similar to Trump's cult like base.
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Biden and Trump are traitors to America.
Imagine being shocked about the fact of greed, corruption, and abuse of power in government.
The media is a propaganda tool fueling the two parties hyperpartisanship and killing the country, it's time to end the "freedom of the press"
Violence against the government is and should be accepted by the people, especially when said government wants to and is actively stripping away your constitutional rights.
Remake the Free World, wipe the slate clean, a nation born and baptized in blood and fire shall be reborn again.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:34 pm

Thermodolia wrote:So apparently Trump also to Woodward that he protected the Saudi Crown Prince after the khashoggi murder.

Seriously what went through his head to agree to talk to Woodward on tape for 18 minutes?!


Not surprised. Remember awhile back there were the stories of Kushner getting loan assistance for the flagship building?
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:35 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
In most of the country they are moving further and further to the right as evidenced by nominating people like Majorie Greene.

And the Democrats in most of the country are moving further and further to the left what with the likes of Sanders, who I last checked you mentioned you had severe disagreements, said he wouldn't get nominated twice and what you once described as having similar to Trump's cult like base.

That simply is not true. Moderate Democrats are what flipped the house in 2018. All of the Governors in the Midwest who are Democrats with likely exception of Pritzker are moderates.

Galloway whose running against Parson in Missouri is a moderate therefore where are you getting this idea of yours from?

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:36 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
In most of the country they are moving further and further to the right as evidenced by nominating people like Majorie Greene.

And the Democrats in most of the country are moving further and further to the left what with the likes of Sanders, who I last checked you mentioned you had severe disagreements, said he wouldn't get nominated twice and what you once described as having similar to Trump's cult like base.


Sanders has been a Senator for at least a decade, and was less successful in 2020's primaries than in 2016's.

Since Sanders is the only example you gave of the Democrats moving "further and further to the left" I conclude you're bullshitting.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:36 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:So apparently Trump also to Woodward that he protected the Saudi Crown Prince after the khashoggi murder.

Seriously what went through his head to agree to talk to Woodward on tape for 18 minutes?!


Not surprised. Remember awhile back there were the stories of Kushner getting loan assistance for the flagship building?

Protecting the Saudi Crown Price from Congressional inquiry will surely bring about good things for you. It works for Kushner and his business deals there.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:38 pm

Kexholm and Karelia wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:
That’s the way most Trump supporters essentially are.

That’s not true at all, lol, almost every Trump supporter I have met have a valid, informed reason for doing so


You need to get out more.

An example (a relataive)

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Postby Dresderstan » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:39 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:And the Democrats in most of the country are moving further and further to the left what with the likes of Sanders, who I last checked you mentioned you had severe disagreements, said he wouldn't get nominated twice and what you once described as having similar to Trump's cult like base.

That simply is not true. Moderate Democrats are what flipped the house in 2018. All of the Governors in the Midwest who are Democrats with likely exception of Pritzker are moderates.

Galloway whose running against Parson in Missouri is a moderate therefore where are you getting this idea of yours from?

Then why is Bernie so fucking revered as a socialist with a cult like base like he's the Democrat to save us only to get beat twice now? Why is it some "moderate" Democrat incumbents are losing primary battles to those on the left like AOC?
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Biden and Trump are traitors to America.
Imagine being shocked about the fact of greed, corruption, and abuse of power in government.
The media is a propaganda tool fueling the two parties hyperpartisanship and killing the country, it's time to end the "freedom of the press"
Violence against the government is and should be accepted by the people, especially when said government wants to and is actively stripping away your constitutional rights.
Remake the Free World, wipe the slate clean, a nation born and baptized in blood and fire shall be reborn again.

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