2020 US General Election Thread VIII: Cs, Ds, and Es

[Kannap]

You say it only applies to these groups and then list those groups? This really isn’t that hard to understand

I don’t think such a law would be found constitutional. You cannot limit the right to run for office to any person regardless of viewpoints

Any law that allows people unfit for office to run for office is a bad law.

[Thermodolia]

“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary”

Except in the case of assault weaponry. No one including workers need them to defend themselves. But that's an argument for a completely different thread.

I strongly disagree. Under no pretext means under no pretext. That means all weapons should be legal to own. An armed people are harder to bully into submission

[Thermodolia]

Except in the case of assault weaponry. No one including workers need them to defend themselves. But that's an argument for a completely different thread.

Assault weaponry literally isn't a real thing.

I just take it to mean automatic weapons which should be fully legal. #repealthehughes

[Greater Miami Shores]

can we also deny office to Socialists and communists?

Maybe you should start by explaining what makes Socialism objectively bad.

Pure socialism as supported by socialists doesn't work, Capitalism in American form and other forms work better.

[San Lumen]

I don’t think such a law would be found constitutional. You cannot limit the right to run for office to any person regardless of viewpoints

Any law that allows people unfit for office to run for office is a bad law.

I think Trump and Pence is unfit for office. If I was on the board of elections should I be able to bar them from the ballot in New York?

[Kannap]

Majority of Republicans - 57% - think the number of COVID deaths in the United States is acceptable

31% of overall voters said the number of deaths is acceptable.

90% of Democrats and 61% of independents said the number of deaths is unacceptable.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Maybe you should start by explaining what makes Socialism objectively bad.

Pure socialism as supported by socialists doesn't work, Capitalism in American form and other forms work better.

American capitalism is objectively garbage for everyone except the upper class.

[Sundiata]

Joe Biden won't even legalize pot.

The federal government will capitulate on weed once the vast majority of states legalize it.

Probably, it's just a really unfortunate down side that people's lives get damaged for something so benign.

[Kannap]

Any law that allows people unfit for office to run for office is a bad law.

I think Trump and Pence is unfit for office. If I was on the board of elections should I be able to bar them from the ballot in New York?

We're talking about banning Nazis and Q Anon types, science-deniers, anti-vaxxers.

Not Republicans. You may not like them, but here we are.

Also your hypothetical is irrelevant. If I were in a position to ban people from office, I'd ban Republicans and Democrats.

I'm not advocating for the playing out of my wildest fantasy, I'm advocating for reasonably unfit persons - per other first world countries - to be withheld from office.

[Nuroblav]

Pure socialism as supported by socialists doesn't work, Capitalism in American form and other forms work better.

P U R E S O C I A L I S M ?

Would that be stuff like Marx? With dictatorship of the proletariat and everything?

Also, as WRA said, capitalism only really benefits the upper class.

[Kannap]

Maybe you should start by explaining what makes Socialism objectively bad.

Pure socialism as supported by socialists doesn't work, Capitalism in American form and other forms work better.

The majority of socialists are willing to compromise and settle for something like the Nordic model, which is easily better than the mess we have in America.

[Loben III]

“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary”

Except in the case of assault weaponry. No one including workers need them to defend themselves. But that's an argument for a completely different thread.

what is an assault weapon?

[Jedi Council]

I think Trump and Pence is unfit for office. If I was on the board of elections should I be able to bar them from the ballot in New York?

We're talking about banning Nazis and Q Anon types, science-deniers, anti-vaxxers.

Not Republicans. You may not like them, but here we are.

Also your hypothetical is irrelevant. If I were in a position to ban people from office, I'd ban Republicans and Democrats.

I'm not advocating for the playing out of my wildest fantasy, I'm advocating for reasonably unfit persons - per other first world countries - to be withheld from office.

Not to mention, we have laws stopping many kinds of people from holding office already, such as the mentally ill or those that dont reach a certain age threshold.

And frankly, if mentally ill people cant hold office, that probably covers QAnon supporters.

[Jerzylvania]

Except in the case of assault weaponry. No one including workers need them to defend themselves. But that's an argument for a completely different thread.

Assault weaponry literally isn't a real thing.

Coke wasn't the real thing either, but fuck the marketing shit. It's just noise that sounds good to the low infos.

Except in the case of assault weaponry. No one including workers need them to defend themselves. But that's an argument for a completely different thread.

I strongly disagree. Under no pretext means under no pretext. That means all weapons should be legal to own. An armed people are harder to bully into submission

Well, I figured that you disagreed. I'm more for the non violent approach. Better results, less bloodshed, but it could take longer and involve literally a personal sacrifice. One has to be willing to become a martyr rather than a killer. That's been my view and I am sticking to it. Thank you.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Pure socialism as supported by socialists doesn't work, Capitalism in American form and other forms work better.

American capitalism is objectively garbage for everyone except the upper class.

lol, tell that too me, I am not rich but I am not poor in America, the USA. I own my own house bought and paid for, I own 2 rental properties, I used to work for a major defense contractor corporation in Chicago, with excellent health and benefits, stocks and 401 K plans. I am satisfied with my health insurance. I have vacationed in Florida many times, Canada, Santo Domingo Dominican Republic 3 times and Puerto Rico 3 times, I am planning another vacation trip to Santo Domingo Dominican Republic as soon as I can, overall not a bad life, I consider myself middle class.

[Washington Resistance Army]

American capitalism is objectively garbage for everyone except the upper class.

lol, tell that too me, I am not rich but I am not poor in America, the USA. I own my own house bought and paid for, I own 2 rental properties, I used to work for a major defense contractor corporation in Chicago, with excellent health and benefits, stocks and 401 K plans. I am satisfied with my health insurance. I have vacationed in Florida, Canada, Santo Domingo Dominican Republic 3 times and Puerto Rico 3 times, I am planning another vacation trip to Santo Domingo Dominican Republic as soon as I can, overall not a bad life, I consider myself middle class.

I did just tell it to you. Your wealth and rental properties should be nationalized as far as I'm concerned.

[Vassenor]

Maybe you should start by explaining what makes Socialism objectively bad.

Pure socialism as supported by socialists doesn't work, Capitalism in American form and other forms work better.

Remember, going bankrupt because you got sick is the best system working as intended.

[Thermodolia]

I think Trump and Pence is unfit for office. If I was on the board of elections should I be able to bar them from the ballot in New York?

We're talking about banning Nazis and Q Anon types, science-deniers, anti-vaxxers.

Not Republicans. You may not like them, but here we are.

Also your hypothetical is irrelevant. If I were in a position to ban people from office, I'd ban Republicans and Democrats.

I'm not advocating for the playing out of my wildest fantasy, I'm advocating for reasonably unfit persons - per other first world countries - to be withheld from office.

However based on the previous qualifications Trump would be barred from office based on the fact that he is a science denying anti-vaxxer

[Jedi Council]

American capitalism is objectively garbage for everyone except the upper class.

lol, tell that too me, I am not rich but I am not poor in America, the USA. I own my own house bought and paid for, I own 2 rental properties, I used to work for a major defense contractor corporation in Chicago, with excellent health and benefits, stocks and 401 K plans. I am satisfied with my health insurance. I have vacationed in Florida, Canada, Santo Domingo Dominican Republic 3 times and Puerto Rico 3 times, I am planning another vacation trip to Santo Domingo Dominican Republic as soon as I can, overall not a bad life, I consider myself middle class.

Your own experience means nothing, it's an argument from personal experience which are generally bullshit.

[Vassenor]

American capitalism is objectively garbage for everyone except the upper class.

lol, tell that too me, I am not rich but I am not poor in America, the USA. I own my own house bought and paid for, I own 2 rental properties, I used to work for a major defense contractor corporation in Chicago, with excellent health and benefits, stocks and 401 K plans. I am satisfied with my health insurance. I have vacationed in Florida many times, Canada, Santo Domingo Dominican Republic 3 times and Puerto Rico 3 times, I am planning another vacation trip to Santo Domingo Dominican Republic as soon as I can, overall not a bad life, I consider myself middle class.

So you run on "fuck you, got mine".

How disgustingly predictable.

[Kannap]

American capitalism is objectively garbage for everyone except the upper class.

lol, tell that too me, I am not rich but I am not poor in America, the USA. I own my own house bought and paid for, I own 2 rental properties, I used to work for a major defense contractor corporation in Chicago, with excellent health and benefits, stocks and 401 K plans. I am satisfied with my health insurance. I have vacationed in Florida many times, Canada, Santo Domingo Dominican Republic 3 times and Puerto Rico 3 times, I am planning another vacation trip to Santo Domingo Dominican Republic as soon as I can, overall not a bad life, I consider myself middle class.

And I, like the overwhelming majority of Americans, live paycheck to paycheck. My rent costs me half my monthly earnings, I have a budget of $50 a week for groceries - which is basically nothing. I work 40-50 hours a week and heaven forbid I get sick and miss a paycheck because I'll probably end up homeless.

It's nice to hear you're doing well, as many other Americans also are, but the majority of us are doing poorly.

[Thermodolia]

American capitalism is objectively garbage for everyone except the upper class.

lol, tell that too me, I am not rich but I am not poor in America, the USA. I own my own house bought and paid for, I own 2 rental properties, I used to work for a major defense contractor corporation in Chicago, with excellent health and benefits, stocks and 401 K plans. I am satisfied with my health insurance. I have vacationed in Florida many times, Canada, Santo Domingo Dominican Republic 3 times and Puerto Rico 3 times, I am planning another vacation trip to Santo Domingo Dominican Republic as soon as I can, overall not a bad life, I consider myself middle class.

Dude if you own more than one property you aren’t middle class but rich.

[Cordel One]

Every debate on communism here be like

☭: Communism is cool
$: Communist Russia/China/etc are bad and kill people
☭: Those places aren't communist as they don't follow communist values and ideas
$: haha nOt ReAl CoMmUnIsM, communism doesn't work
☭: no seriously, the best examples of communist ideology are the Paris Commune, EZLN, etc.
$: They're not really communist though
☭: They still follow communist values, and most others were destroyed
$: communism doesn't work
☭: Seriously? We were just talking about this.

[Kannap]

We're talking about banning Nazis and Q Anon types, science-deniers, anti-vaxxers.

Not Republicans. You may not like them, but here we are.

Also your hypothetical is irrelevant. If I were in a position to ban people from office, I'd ban Republicans and Democrats.

I'm not advocating for the playing out of my wildest fantasy, I'm advocating for reasonably unfit persons - per other first world countries - to be withheld from office.

However based on the previous qualifications Trump would be barred from office based on the fact that he is a science denying anti-vaxxer

Yes, that is evident now. Was that evident in 2016?

[Thermodolia]

However based on the previous qualifications Trump would be barred from office based on the fact that he is a science denying anti-vaxxer

Yes, that is evident now. Was that evident in 2016?

Yes. Trump has been anti-Vaxx since before 2016