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2020 US General Election Thread VIII: Cs, Ds, and Es

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How Many Votes Do You Expect to be Early Votes Nationwide?

0-10%
22
7%
10-20%
51
17%
20-30%
85
28%
30-40%
66
21%
40-50%
45
15%
50%+
39
13%
 
Total votes : 308

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Postby Kexholm and Karelia » Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:47 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Organized States wrote:You all did for a while, didn't you? I seem to remember him working as the National Security Advisor in this Admin.


I think that's a vast oversimplification of our relationship with China. China is a strategic competitor, but we're not exactly in the same situation we are with the Soviet Union. China doesn't represent the Soviet Union's efforts to eliminate the United States as a nation, indeed, China benefits off of the financial and global security system the United States has created. The security that the United States provides is fundamentally good for China. What China wants to do is subvert that system of global power for its own purposes. It doesn't seek to replace the United States as the guarantor of the world order.

China is the seller, we're the buyer. Both of our nations require the other at this point and I think both of us would be wise to recognize that.


China is like a heroin dealer and the US is the junkie.

All thanks to the last four presidents, who have sold out to the CCP, unlike President Trump who is finally standing up to the Chinese Communists while the US media and establishment shills for them
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:50 pm

Kexholm and Karelia wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
China is like a heroin dealer and the US is the junkie.

All thanks to the last four presidents, who have sold out to the CCP, unlike President Trump who is finally standing up to the Chinese Communists while the US media and establishment shills for them

Trump really isn’t standing up to China. He’s made a lot of good points but he hasn’t stood up to China
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:51 pm

Jerzylvania wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:That means I’m eligible in less than 10 years! Holy fuck I’m old


Heh. I could have been the nominee instead of Dukakis. Lemme tell you whats old, bro son.

I’m well aware how old you are Gramps. Back in your day they didn’t have them fancy printing things
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Postby Jerzylvania » Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:54 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Jerzylvania wrote:
Heh. I could have been the nominee instead of Dukakis. Lemme tell you whats old, bro son.

I’m well aware how old you are Gramps. Back in your day they didn’t have them fancy printing things

Nope. No store bought presents at Christmas either, sonny. Rode my horse to work for ten years before... well, never mind.
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I mean while the threat of nukes have been helpful to preventing war, it wasn't the only contributing factor. Further, having several close calls and being on the precipice on annihilation isn't exactly a fun prospect.

It's never the purposeful first strikes that anyone should be concerned about, it's communication and systems failure.

Russia is especially prone to that with their dead hand system. If that thing stops transmitting it means that Moscow has been wiped off the map.

If a technical issue took it suddenly off line we could be in a world of hurt


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Besides, we were already committing atrocities by firebombing their cities way before Hiroshima.

Fun fact that’s why we spared Tokyo and other cities from the nuclear bomb. Because we had firebombed the hell out of them


Actually, the Dept. of War had planned to drop the only two deliverable A-bombs on Germany. But they lost the war just in the nick of time and were spared the unhealthy glow. If Nazi Germany had held off the Russian advance a few more months none would have been used in Japan. And possibly Japan learning of the destruction in Germany would have quit the war in the Pacific before the US was able to build more A-bombs. We'll never know but the original plan was to use them on Nazi Germany.

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Kexholm and Karelia wrote:You can tell when someone is losing a debate when they resort to petty things like "Trump loves Kim"

Imagine your embarrassment when you find out that this particular instance was brought up in defense of Trump.


That might require some amount of actual shame.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:13 pm

https://www.providencejournal.com/news/ ... -democrats

https://twitter.com/Taniel/status/13041 ... 50432?s=20

A huge upset in Rhode Island. 30 year incumbent Harold Metts and president pro tempore of the state lost his primary to his 26 year old progressive challenger Tiara Mack. The district is in downtown Providence so Mack should have no trouble winning in November.


https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/130 ... 14727?s=20

The state in fact saw a progressive wave in the democratic primary. Apparently least 12 incumbent s lost their primaries. The Rhode Island legislature has long been much more conservative then state as a whole. Looks like that’s going to change come November.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:19 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Kexholm and Karelia wrote:All thanks to the last four presidents, who have sold out to the CCP, unlike President Trump who is finally standing up to the Chinese Communists while the US media and establishment shills for them

Trump really isn’t standing up to China. He’s made a lot of good points but he hasn’t stood up to China


The most important thing he's done is bring the message to the mainstream, imo.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:19 pm

So apparently Trump also to Woodward that he protected the Saudi Crown Prince after the khashoggi murder.

Seriously what went through his head to agree to talk to Woodward on tape for 18 minutes?!
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:19 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Trump really isn’t standing up to China. He’s made a lot of good points but he hasn’t stood up to China


The most important thing he's done is bring the message to the mainstream, imo.

Definitely but outside of that he’s done sqat
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:19 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:To be fair, they kinda do need cheap “garbage” en masse, considering many people can only really afford cheap Chinese-made stuff.


Another glaring example of the failures of capitalism.

I mean, you’re not wrong.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:22 pm

Thermodolia wrote:So apparently Trump also to Woodward that he protected the Saudi Crown Prince after the khashoggi murder.

Seriously what went through his head to agree to talk to Woodward on tape for 18 minutes?!

And somehow all this information still won’t sink Trump cuz somehow the dude has such an untouchable cult of personality around him, some. how.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:27 pm

Thermodolia wrote:So apparently Trump also to Woodward that he protected the Saudi Crown Prince after the khashoggi murder.

Seriously what went through his head to agree to talk to Woodward on tape for 18 minutes?!


Trump did what?!
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:29 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:So apparently Trump also to Woodward that he protected the Saudi Crown Prince after the khashoggi murder.

Seriously what went through his head to agree to talk to Woodward on tape for 18 minutes?!


Trump did what?!

I doubt most in the Republican base will care. Why write a book though and put it in Washington Post?
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:30 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:So apparently Trump also to Woodward that he protected the Saudi Crown Prince after the khashoggi murder.

Seriously what went through his head to agree to talk to Woodward on tape for 18 minutes?!

And somehow all this information still won’t sink Trump cuz somehow the dude has such an untouchable cult of personality around him, some. how.

Yes, but independents will be more likely to not vote for him
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:31 pm

Thermodolia wrote:So apparently Trump also to Woodward that he protected the Saudi Crown Prince after the khashoggi murder.

Seriously what went through his head to agree to talk to Woodward on tape for 18 minutes?!

Not 18 minutes, 18 separate recorded interviews, some without other staff.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:34 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:So apparently Trump also to Woodward that he protected the Saudi Crown Prince after the khashoggi murder.

Seriously what went through his head to agree to talk to Woodward on tape for 18 minutes?!


Trump did what?!

Yeeeeep.
"I saved his ass," Trump had said amid the US outcry following Khashoggi's murder, the book says. "I was able to get Congress to leave him alone. I was able to get them to stop."

The White House did not offer a comment when contacted by Insider.

When a reporter pressed Trump on Thursday about what the president meant when he said he'd "saved" the Saudi leader's "ass," Trump replied: "You'll have to figure that out yourself."
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Postby Cordel One » Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:36 pm

Thermodolia wrote:So apparently Trump also to Woodward that he protected the Saudi Crown Prince after the khashoggi murder.

Seriously what went through his head to agree to talk to Woodward on tape for 18 minutes?!

I wonder how his supporters are gonna try to justify this one.

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:37 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:And somehow all this information still won’t sink Trump cuz somehow the dude has such an untouchable cult of personality around him, some. how.

Yes, but independents will be more likely to not vote for him

Let’s hope they won’t.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:40 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Trump did what?!

Yeeeeep.
"I saved his ass," Trump had said amid the US outcry following Khashoggi's murder, the book says. "I was able to get Congress to leave him alone. I was able to get them to stop."

The White House did not offer a comment when contacted by Insider.

When a reporter pressed Trump on Thursday about what the president meant when he said he'd "saved" the Saudi leader's "ass," Trump replied: "You'll have to figure that out yourself."


Trump's people: Donald Trump will save us from Islam.

Trump: Saudi arabia didn't do nothing.
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Postby Cordel One » Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:42 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:So apparently Trump also to Woodward that he protected the Saudi Crown Prince after the khashoggi murder.

Seriously what went through his head to agree to talk to Woodward on tape for 18 minutes?!

And somehow all this information still won’t sink Trump cuz somehow the dude has such an untouchable cult of personality around him*, some. how.


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Postby Northern Davincia » Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:47 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Yeeeeep.


Trump's people: Donald Trump will save us from Islam.

Trump: Saudi arabia didn't do nothing.

In fairness, one can be against the growth of Islam within US borders while supporting an Islamic regime overseas, provided they keep their religion contained.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:01 pm

Thermodolia wrote:So apparently Trump also to Woodward that he protected the Saudi Crown Prince after the khashoggi murder.

Seriously what went through his head to agree to talk to Woodward on tape for 18 minutes?!


Woodward is the coin of the realm of journalistic success.

Bob Woodward totally outfoxed the stable genius. His interviews of Trump total nine hours. Nine lethal hours!
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:49 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Trump's people: Donald Trump will save us from Islam.

Trump: Saudi arabia didn't do nothing.

In fairness, one can be against the growth of Islam within US borders while supporting an Islamic regime overseas, provided they keep their religion contained.


You know that's not how Islam works.
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Postby Loben III » Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:52 pm

Jerzylvania wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:So apparently Trump also to Woodward that he protected the Saudi Crown Prince after the khashoggi murder.

Seriously what went through his head to agree to talk to Woodward on tape for 18 minutes?!


Woodward is the coin of the realm of journalistic success.

Bob Woodward totally outfoxed the stable genius. His interviews of Trump total nine hours. Nine lethal hours!


uh huh.
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:02 pm

Loben III wrote:
Jerzylvania wrote:
Woodward is the coin of the realm of journalistic success.

Bob Woodward totally outfoxed the stable genius. His interviews of Trump total nine hours. Nine lethal hours!


uh huh.


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Postby Zurkerx » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:04 pm

Thermodolia wrote:So apparently Trump also to Woodward that he protected the Saudi Crown Prince after the khashoggi murder.

Seriously what went through his head to agree to talk to Woodward on tape for 18 minutes?!


His huge massive ego: he cares deeply about his imagine. It's believed that Trump thought he could not only convinced Woodward of his side, but also manipulate him in hopes him and his administration is portrayed positively. It clearly backfired.

And not 18 minutes I don't think: it's more like 18 interviews.
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