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2020 US General Election Thread VIII: Cs, Ds, and Es

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How Many Votes Do You Expect to be Early Votes Nationwide?

0-10%
22
7%
10-20%
51
17%
20-30%
85
28%
30-40%
66
21%
40-50%
45
15%
50%+
39
13%
 
Total votes : 308

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Postby Zurkerx » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:31 pm



The campaign argues in documents filed Tuesday in a bid to keep its lawsuit alive that it is hurt by the state law passed in July by the Democrat-led Legislature because it forces Republicans to divert resources to “educating Nevada voters on those changes and encouraging them to still vote.”

Yeah, the judge is going to strike down Trump's argument with ease.



No surprise here really given he's reportedly tied to Russian Intelligence. Speaking of intelligence, Russia, China, and Iran have launched cyberattacks on the presidential campaigns, according to Microsoft. Russia remains the most dangerous of the three and has targeted both parties since it seeks to leak materials, unlike the other two based on what's known:

While Microsoft found no direct indication that Chinese hackers are seeking more than information on the campaigns, it has “indirectly and unsuccessfully targeted the Joe Biden for President campaign through non-campaign email accounts belonging to people affiliated with the campaign," Burt wrote.
[...]
Separately, Burt wrote that Iran had "unsuccessfully attempted to log into the accounts of Administration officials and Donald J. Trump for President campaign staff" in May and June.
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As only Russia has routinely hacked campaigns to leak material, rather than simply gathering intelligence, Iran targeting Trump and China targeting Biden doesn’t necessarily indicate a desire to see those candidates lose.
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Postby Shrillland » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:35 pm

In Plaza news, Prop 22 in California is now the most expensive ballot measure in the state's history with over $186 million spent on the campaigns, the vast majority of which is coming from Uber and Lyft: https://news.ballotpedia.org/2020/09/09/with-funding-from-uber-lyft-and-doordash-campaign-behind-california-proposition-22-tops-180-million/
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:49 pm

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Northern Davincia wrote:I wish, but he is ineligible.

Ah, but Ahnold's son Joseph who he had with his housekeeper is eligible in less than 13 years.
Don't laugh.
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Postby Glorious Hong Kong » Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:28 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JjSq6F7bPU

Russia backs Trump. China backs Biden. Russiagate has been disproved. China is by far the bigger threat and I want the CCP to pay. I'm with Trump, Pompeo, Rubio, and the Republicans all the way. They're markedly more consistent in their anti-CCP rhetoric and actions and less likely to be inadvertently swayed by CCP propaganda and covert attempts to buy their loyalty.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:29 pm

Glorious Hong Kong wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JjSq6F7bPU

Russia backs Trump. China backs Biden. Russiagate has been disproved. China is by far the bigger threat and I want the CCP to pay. I'm with Trump, Pompeo, Rubio, and the Republicans all the way. They're markedly more consistent in their anti-CCP rhetoric and actions and less likely to be inadvertently swayed by CCP propaganda and covert attempts to buy their loyalty.

How about citing a reliable source?

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Postby Valrifell » Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:31 pm

Glorious Hong Kong wrote:Russiagate has been disproved.


You repeating this doesn't make it true.
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:32 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Glorious Hong Kong wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JjSq6F7bPU

Russia backs Trump. China backs Biden. Russiagate has been disproved. China is by far the bigger threat and I want the CCP to pay. I'm with Trump, Pompeo, Rubio, and the Republicans all the way. They're markedly more consistent in their anti-CCP rhetoric and actions and less likely to be inadvertently swayed by CCP propaganda and covert attempts to buy their loyalty.

How about citing a reliable source?


Because he doesn't have one.
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Postby Cordel One » Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:33 pm

Glorious Hong Kong wrote:Russiagate has been disproved.


Many of Trump's advisors have met with Russia to gain a political advantage. Some have been imprisoned.

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Postby Vassenor » Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:34 pm

Glorious Hong Kong wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JjSq6F7bPU

Russia backs Trump. China backs Biden. Russiagate has been disproved. China is by far the bigger threat and I want the CCP to pay. I'm with Trump, Pompeo, Rubio, and the Republicans all the way. They're markedly more consistent in their anti-CCP rhetoric and actions and less likely to be inadvertently swayed by CCP propaganda and covert attempts to buy their loyalty.


Remember, even if a great many people go to prison for it it's disproved.

And you're standing up to China by backing the party that keeps pulling out of institutions meant to check its power and thus allowing it to build more influence. Bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if that pays off.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:38 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Glorious Hong Kong wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JjSq6F7bPU

Russia backs Trump. China backs Biden. Russiagate has been disproved. China is by far the bigger threat and I want the CCP to pay. I'm with Trump, Pompeo, Rubio, and the Republicans all the way. They're markedly more consistent in their anti-CCP rhetoric and actions and less likely to be inadvertently swayed by CCP propaganda and covert attempts to buy their loyalty.


Remember, even if a great many people go to prison for it it's disproved.

And you're standing up to China by backing the party that keeps pulling out of institutions meant to check its power and thus allowing it to build more influence. Bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if that pays off.


Said institutions are meaningless. China has the west by the balls and isn't bound by our laws. Trying to beat them within a system they openly don't follow or care for is foolish at best.
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Postby Insaanistan » Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:51 pm

Glorious Hong Kong wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JjSq6F7bPU

Russia backs Trump. China backs Biden. Russiagate has been disproved. China is by far the bigger threat and I want the CCP to pay. I'm with Trump, Pompeo, Rubio, and the Republicans all the way. They're markedly more consistent in their anti-CCP rhetoric and actions and less likely to be inadvertently swayed by CCP propaganda and covert attempts to buy their loyalty.


A whistleblower has just stated that Barr has altered intelligence reports to fit Trump’s narrative, including downplaying right-wing terrorism, and downplaying Russia’s attempts to still interfere on Trump’s behalf in our elections, while also trying to make it seem like left-wingers are more destructive and threatening and China and Iran are the ones doing all the interfering to get Trump out of office. Sorry bud, as much as O hate commies, they’re not the main threat to our elections. Russia is.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:55 pm

Insaanistan wrote:
Glorious Hong Kong wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JjSq6F7bPU

Russia backs Trump. China backs Biden. Russiagate has been disproved. China is by far the bigger threat and I want the CCP to pay. I'm with Trump, Pompeo, Rubio, and the Republicans all the way. They're markedly more consistent in their anti-CCP rhetoric and actions and less likely to be inadvertently swayed by CCP propaganda and covert attempts to buy their loyalty.


A whistleblower has just stated that Barr has altered intelligence reports to fit Trump’s narrative, including downplaying right-wing terrorism, and downplaying Russia’s attempts to still interfere on Trump’s behalf in our elections, while also trying to make it seem like left-wingers are more destructive and threatening and China and Iran are the ones doing all the interfering to get Trump out of office. Sorry bud, as much as O hate commies, they’re not the main threat to our elections. Russia is.

Is there any external verification?
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Postby Insaanistan » Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:57 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:
A whistleblower has just stated that Barr has altered intelligence reports to fit Trump’s narrative, including downplaying right-wing terrorism, and downplaying Russia’s attempts to still interfere on Trump’s behalf in our elections, while also trying to make it seem like left-wingers are more destructive and threatening and China and Iran are the ones doing all the interfering to get Trump out of office. Sorry bud, as much as O hate commies, they’re not the main threat to our elections. Russia is.

Is there any external verification?


Not at the moment. I’ll let you guys know if I get wind of any. :)
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Postby Glorious Hong Kong » Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:13 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Glorious Hong Kong wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JjSq6F7bPU

Russia backs Trump. China backs Biden. Russiagate has been disproved. China is by far the bigger threat and I want the CCP to pay. I'm with Trump, Pompeo, Rubio, and the Republicans all the way. They're markedly more consistent in their anti-CCP rhetoric and actions and less likely to be inadvertently swayed by CCP propaganda and covert attempts to buy their loyalty.

How about citing a reliable source?


I just did. You can't get more reliable than China Uncensored and America Uncovered. Multiple sources are cited repeatedly. The former exposes the CCP's evil bullshit. The latter is decidedly and unusually neutral wrt the United States.

Valrifell wrote:
San Lumen wrote:How about citing a reliable source?


Because he doesn't have one.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JjSq6F7bPU

Try actually watching the video.

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Vassenor wrote:
Remember, even if a great many people go to prison for it it's disproved.

And you're standing up to China by backing the party that keeps pulling out of institutions meant to check its power and thus allowing it to build more influence. Bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if that pays off.


Said institutions are meaningless. China has the west by the balls and isn't bound by our laws. Trying to beat them within a system they openly don't follow or care for is foolish at best.


The United Nations and a number of international institutions have already been or are in the process of being subverted by the CCP, including a certain world body I won't name here because of site rules. The Trump Administration is right to give the United Nations, the WHO, UNESCO, and other international bodies the big, fat, middle finger. International law has been politicized and appropriated by the likes of Russia, China, Iran, and other bad actors. If China can tear up the Sino-British Joint Declaration and genocide the Uighurs and if Assad and Russia can slaughter Syrian civilians, then Boris Johnson can tear up the Withdrawal Agreement and Israel can continue building settlements in the West Bank. Why should the United States and its Western allies continue to play by a set of rules that its enemies keep ignoring? To hell with the UN and international law. Trump's foreign policy is so much better than Obama's ever was. All's fair in love and war.
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:14 pm

Glorious Hong Kong wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Because he doesn't have one.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JjSq6F7bPU

Try actually watching the video.


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Postby Rusozak » Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:16 pm

Glorious Hong Kong wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JjSq6F7bPU

Russia backs Trump. China backs Biden. Russiagate has been disproved. China is by far the bigger threat and I want the CCP to pay. I'm with Trump, Pompeo, Rubio, and the Republicans all the way. They're markedly more consistent in their anti-CCP rhetoric and actions and less likely to be inadvertently swayed by CCP propaganda and covert attempts to buy their loyalty.


So Trump supporters just aren't even pretending Trump isn't Putin's puppet anymore. Just gone to the last stage of Trump apologism and agreeing Putin knows what's best. The party of national pride, everyone.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:17 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Remember, even if a great many people go to prison for it it's disproved.

And you're standing up to China by backing the party that keeps pulling out of institutions meant to check its power and thus allowing it to build more influence. Bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if that pays off.


Said institutions are meaningless. China has the west by the balls and isn't bound by our laws. Trying to beat them within a system they openly don't follow or care for is foolish at best.

We could always just nuke the chinese
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:18 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Said institutions are meaningless. China has the west by the balls and isn't bound by our laws. Trying to beat them within a system they openly don't follow or care for is foolish at best.

We could always just nuke the chinese


A first strike is a potential strategy, yes. Especially if Trump's claims of new weapons systems are true.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:19 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:We could always just nuke the chinese


A first strike is a potential strategy, yes. Especially if Trump's claims of new weapons systems are true.

How about no? The nuclear football should be deactivated and all nuclear weapons dismantled.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:19 pm

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Could have spent that money on their drivers...
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:20 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Jerzylvania wrote:Ah, but Ahnold's son Joseph who he had with his housekeeper is eligible in less than 13 years.
Don't laugh.
He's already 22 and a graduate of Peeperdine. Looks just like his old man.

That means I’m eligible in less than 10 years! Holy fuck I’m old

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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:20 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:We could always just nuke the chinese


A first strike is a potential strategy, yes. Especially if Trump's claims of new weapons systems are true.

If our Missile Defense systems are what they say they are and we have some new tech we could be able to take out china’s ability to use its nukes and only suffer a slight retaliation.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:21 pm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54110457

Microsoft says the Russians are at it again.

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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:21 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
A first strike is a potential strategy, yes. Especially if Trump's claims of new weapons systems are true.

How about no? The nuclear football should be deactivated and all nuclear weapons dismantled.

Nice fantasy
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:21 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
A first strike is a potential strategy, yes. Especially if Trump's claims of new weapons systems are true.

How about no? The nuclear football should be deactivated and all nuclear weapons dismantled.


An odd strategy that would have caused WW3 in the past.
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