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2020 US General Election Thread VIII: Cs, Ds, and Es

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How Many Votes Do You Expect to be Early Votes Nationwide?

0-10%
22
7%
10-20%
51
17%
20-30%
85
28%
30-40%
66
21%
40-50%
45
15%
50%+
39
13%
 
Total votes : 308

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:32 am

Valrifell wrote:
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He ought to just skip out on the debates altogether.


But then Biden would get a free, nationally televised town hall and Trump would look weak and foolish.

It'd be pretty funny for them to empty chair Trump. He'd lose his mind.

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:49 am

Ifreann wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
But then Biden would get a free, nationally televised town hall and Trump would look weak and foolish.

It'd be pretty funny for them to empty chair Trump. He'd lose his mind.


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Postby Kexholm and Karelia » Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:52 am

United States of Devonta wrote:
Kexholm and Karelia wrote:If Trump was a racist he would be mad at the fact that his administration presided over record low black unemployment


Aw Trump once again taking credit for a trend Obama started. Oh wait, that Obama - America's first black president - which he tried to delegitimize by spreading a racist birther conspiracy theory. Nice self-own man.

Record low black unemployment happened under the Trump administration, not Obama
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Postby United States of Devonta » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:00 am

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United States of Devonta wrote:
Aw Trump once again taking credit for a trend Obama started. Oh wait, that Obama - America's first black president - which he tried to delegitimize by spreading a racist birther conspiracy theory. Nice self-own man.

Record low black unemployment happened under the Trump administration, not Obama


Notice how you didn't address my point or answer why he used a racist conspiracy theory against Obama?

The black employment trend started under Obama, Hispanic too. Look up what a "trend" means. Oh and cool, it's not that high anymore. It's low once again because of Trump's Corona mismanagement.

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Postby Zurkerx » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:22 am

A majority of voters don’t see Trump and Biden as mentally fit to be President across six Battleground States. Those States were Arizona, Florida, Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

51% said Trump was mentally unfit to 49% saying he was while 52% said Biden was mentally unfit to 48% saying he was fit, showing voters equally view both candidates as unfit mentally.

However, physically, it's a different story: 52% said Trump is physically fit while 54% said the same thing of Biden.

From the national poll, 55% said Trump was mentally unfit, while 45% said he was fit. Biden was deemed unfit by 52% and fit by 48%.
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Postby Kexholm and Karelia » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:39 am

Biden is Losing Latino Support in South Florida, Which Could Sway Election

Latinos are starting to support "racist fascist evil hitler nazi" Trump
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:44 am

Kexholm and Karelia wrote:Biden is Losing Latino Support in South Florida, Which Could Sway Election

Latinos are starting to support "racist fascist evil hitler nazi" Trump

How unfortunate for them, to be supporting a man who'd deport them all to Mexico if he could.

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Postby Kowani » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:45 am

Kexholm and Karelia wrote:Biden is Losing Latino Support in South Florida, Which Could Sway Election

Latinos are starting to support "racist fascist evil hitler nazi" Trump

Well…Biden can afford to lose Florida.
Trump, not so much.
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Postby Zurkerx » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:48 am

Kowani wrote:
Kexholm and Karelia wrote:Biden is Losing Latino Support in South Florida, Which Could Sway Election

Latinos are starting to support "racist fascist evil hitler nazi" Trump

Well…Biden can afford to lose Florida.
Trump, not so much.


Not to mention, the Latinos in Florida are different than nationwide: Florida has a large Cuban Population that skews Republican and as long as the GOP tells them of the "Red Menace", they'll keep voting for them on that basis. The younger Cubans are different though if I'm not mistaken: they tend to be more Democratic though I would imagine they aren't enthusiastic about Biden and would be more so for Sanders.
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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:48 am

Kexholm and Karelia wrote:Biden is Losing Latino Support in South Florida, Which Could Sway Election

Latinos are starting to support "racist fascist evil hitler nazi" Trump

They don’t just support him, they literally worship him. All because they think he will lead a crusade and overthrow the Cuban regime. And not just the old ones, the younger generation too, it’s bizarre being in Miami now…
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:50 am

Zurkerx wrote:
Kowani wrote:Well…Biden can afford to lose Florida.
Trump, not so much.


Not to mention, the Latinos in Florida are different than nationwide: Florida has a large Cuban Population that skews Republican and as long as the GOP tells them of the "Red Menace", they'll keep voting for them on that basis. The younger Cubans are different though if I'm not mistaken: they tend to be more Democratic though I would imagine they aren't enthusiastic about Biden and would be more so for Sanders.

correct. Florida Latinos tend to vote differently from the rest of the nation. If this was trend of Latinos nationwide I'd be very worried.

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Postby Valrifell » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:54 am

Kexholm and Karelia wrote:Biden is Losing Latino Support in South Florida, Which Could Sway Election

Latinos are starting to support "racist fascist evil hitler nazi" Trump


Crazy that you would implicitly equate/conflate latinos in Florida (I.E. Cuban refugees and their descendants primarily) and the latinos that Trump has actively engaged in xenophobic rhetoric with.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:54 am

United States of Devonta wrote:
Kexholm and Karelia wrote:Record low black unemployment happened under the Trump administration, not Obama


Notice how you didn't address my point or answer why he used a racist conspiracy theory against Obama?

The black employment trend started under Obama, Hispanic too. Look up what a "trend" means. Oh and cool, it's not that high anymore. It's low once again because of Trump's Corona mismanagement.

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:56 am

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A federal judge on Wednesday halted a Tennessee law that restricted voting by mail by mandating that first-time voters show their identification at an election office before voting.

U.S. District Judge Eli Richardson, a Trump appointee, filed a preliminary injunction saying he was worried “about how his decisions could aid one side or the other on the political front,” The Associated Press reported. The Nashville judge ruled that the law was based on a “non-existent” order from Congress.

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Postby -Astoria- » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:57 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
United States of Devonta wrote:
Notice how you didn't address my point or answer why he used a racist conspiracy theory against Obama?

The black employment trend started under Obama, Hispanic too. Look up what a "trend" means. Oh and cool, it's not that high anymore. It's low once again because of Trump's Corona mismanagement.

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By the end of the Obama presidency, the rates appear to be where they were at before the recession. This is explainable through basic market corrections, which are inevitable.

Speaking of which, didn't he start on the tail end of said recession?
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Postby Northern Davincia » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:58 am

-Astoria- wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:By the end of the Obama presidency, the rates appear to be where they were at before the recession. This is explainable through basic market corrections, which are inevitable.

Speaking of which, didn't he start on the tail end of said recession?

Yes, but the early years consisted of a "jobless recovery" where the economy performed below expectations, even accounting for the recession.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:59 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
United States of Devonta wrote:
Notice how you didn't address my point or answer why he used a racist conspiracy theory against Obama?

The black employment trend started under Obama, Hispanic too. Look up what a "trend" means. Oh and cool, it's not that high anymore. It's low once again because of Trump's Corona mismanagement.

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By the end of the Obama presidency, the rates appear to be where they were at before the recession. This is explainable through basic market corrections, which are inevitable.

That would be a compelling argument if the trend line had flattened during the Obama presidency at that point, but it continued at the same pace until Trump policies started to take effect, where it started to change direction.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:02 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:By the end of the Obama presidency, the rates appear to be where they were at before the recession. This is explainable through basic market corrections, which are inevitable.

That would be a compelling argument if the trend line had flattened during the Obama presidency at that point, but it continued at the same pace until Trump policies started to take effect, where it started to change direction.

There was no need to wait for Trump's policies, the market jumped at the prospect of him becoming president. The hype was beneficial.
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Postby United States of Devonta » Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:03 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
United States of Devonta wrote:
Notice how you didn't address my point or answer why he used a racist conspiracy theory against Obama?

The black employment trend started under Obama, Hispanic too. Look up what a "trend" means. Oh and cool, it's not that high anymore. It's low once again because of Trump's Corona mismanagement.

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By the end of the Obama presidency, the rates appear to be where they were at before the recession. This is explainable through basic market corrections, which are inevitable.


The rates would of continued to drop. This wasn't just a "market correction".
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Postby United States of Devonta » Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:03 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:That would be a compelling argument if the trend line had flattened during the Obama presidency at that point, but it continued at the same pace until Trump policies started to take effect, where it started to change direction.

There was no need to wait for Trump's policies, the market jumped at the prospect of him becoming president. The hype was beneficial.


The market isn't an indicator for a majority of Americans.
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Postby Kowani » Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:04 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
United States of Devonta wrote:
Notice how you didn't address my point or answer why he used a racist conspiracy theory against Obama?

The black employment trend started under Obama, Hispanic too. Look up what a "trend" means. Oh and cool, it's not that high anymore. It's low once again because of Trump's Corona mismanagement.

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By the end of the Obama presidency, the rates appear to be where they were at before the recession. This is explainable through basic market corrections, which are inevitable.

This is not actually true.
Or rather, it is but it isn’t.
Specifically, it’s true that the rates are more or less equivalent, not so much that internal market corrections caused it.
Case in point.
And before someone says “well that’s the Fed, not Obama”, well, we have data on that too.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:05 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:That would be a compelling argument if the trend line had flattened during the Obama presidency at that point, but it continued at the same pace until Trump policies started to take effect, where it started to change direction.

There was no need to wait for Trump's policies, the market jumped at the prospect of him becoming president. The hype was beneficial.

Well, that was a response that had nothing to do with what we were talking about.
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Postby United States of Devonta » Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:06 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:That would be a compelling argument if the trend line had flattened during the Obama presidency at that point, but it continued at the same pace until Trump policies started to take effect, where it started to change direction.

There was no need to wait for Trump's policies, the market jumped at the prospect of him becoming president. The hype was beneficial.


The trend line doesn't lie.
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Postby -Astoria- » Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:07 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
-Astoria- wrote:Speaking of which, didn't he start on the tail end of said recession?

Yes, but the early years consisted of a "jobless recovery" where the economy performed below expectations, even accounting for the recession.
Ah, got it.
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Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
Kexholm and Karelia wrote:Biden is Losing Latino Support in South Florida, Which Could Sway Election

Latinos are starting to support "racist fascist evil hitler nazi" Trump

They don’t just support him, they literally worship him. All because they think he will lead a crusade and overthrow the Cuban regime. And not just the old ones, the younger generation too, it’s bizarre being in Miami now…

Tbf Trump is more likely to lead a crusade and overthrow the Cuban regime than Biden
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