2020 US General Election Thread VIII: Cs, Ds, and Es

[Nobel Hobos 2]

I'm serious. Pence is going, to stop Trump doing it himself.

TRUMP: The president has refused to condemn QAnon, recently telling reporters that the conspiracy theory is “gaining in popularity” and that its supporters “like me very much.”

PENCE:“I don’t know anything about QAnon, and I dismiss it out of hand,” he told CBS last month.

The speech could be quite interesting too. Pence knows that whatever he says, will be dismissed as lies. He might let a few things drop.

Pence endorsing it doesnt make it any better.

Less bad than Trump "endorsing" it.
You know how Trump gets carried away, telling a crowd what he thinks they want to hear. Pence won't do that.

[San Lumen]

Pence endorsing it doesnt make it any better.

I don't think that's an endorsement.

How is it not?

[Kowani]

I don't think that's an endorsement.

How is it not?

Wait 'till he goes, see what he says. We mentioned the campaign's cash flow problem earlier. They need money. It's more an act of desperation than a bona fide endorsement (at least if it's done by Pence. If Trump went, it might actually have been.)

[Northern Davincia]

Is there a list of questions used in the study?

Literally "describe black people, and compare them to whites." You don't see the issue with someone thinking blacks are dumber and more violent than whites?

Was that really on the list? I have not seen it yet.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

I'm serious. Pence is going, to stop Trump doing it himself.

TRUMP: The president has refused to condemn QAnon, recently telling reporters that the conspiracy theory is “gaining in popularity” and that its supporters “like me very much.”

PENCE:“I don’t know anything about QAnon, and I dismiss it out of hand,” he told CBS last month.

A month is a long time in Trumpworld and the country's memory gets shorter by the day. I wouldn't bet the ranch that suddenly Mike Pence is going to start doing the right thing.

Pence was briefly in charge of coronavirus response. I thought at the time it was his bid for fame: do a great job, people will still remember him in 2024. But it looks more like a transitional thing: he wanted the job out of Trump's hands until someone who knew stuff could take over.

The speech could be quite interesting too. Pence knows that whatever he says, will be dismissed as lies. He might let a few things drop.

I genuinely have no idea what this even means. What would he "drop"? Unless I've misunderstood you and you think he's going to rile up the crowd?

QAnon people want to hear confirmation of their conspiracy. Anything that doesn't fit they will receive as lies. If Pence goes in there with a closely-written speech intended to describe the workings of the White House with personal anecdotes (invulnerable to being called lies) and description of events that can be independently verified, it might paint too frank a picture of what goes on in there. QAnon won't get it, to them that's just a carefully-constructed fabric of lies. To us, it could be quite interesting.

I suppose Pence might go off the script; that would be interesting in a different way, but he's very self-controlled. I doubt he'll do that.

I also wouldn't be surprised if he pulls out at the last moment. Trump and a QAnon crowd kept apart from each other, no need for a speech.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

I don't think that's an endorsement.

How is it not?

These monkeys only deserve the Second Banana.

[Outer Sparta]

Pence endorsing it doesnt make it any better.

Less bad than Trump "endorsing" it.
You know how Trump gets carried away, telling a crowd what he thinks they want to hear. Pence won't do that.

Doesn't seem like a strong enough condemnation statement from Pence, if that is what he was going to do in the first place.

[Kowani]

Less bad than Trump "endorsing" it.
You know how Trump gets carried away, telling a crowd what he thinks they want to hear. Pence won't do that.

Doesn't seem like a strong enough condemnation statement from Pence, if that is what he was going to do in the first place.

Pence is in a bit of a bind-he can't afford to condemn it, but he can't openly endorse it either.

[Senkaku]

A month is a long time in Trumpworld and the country's memory gets shorter by the day. I wouldn't bet the ranch that suddenly Mike Pence is going to start doing the right thing.

Pence was briefly in charge of coronavirus response. I thought at the time it was his bid for fame: do a great job, people will still remember him in 2024. But it looks more like a transitional thing: he wanted the job out of Trump's hands until someone who knew stuff could take over.

...who has taken over who knows stuff and can keep it out of Trump’s hands?? You’ve gone from trying to see the best possible motives to being just detached from reality lol

I genuinely have no idea what this even means. What would he "drop"? Unless I've misunderstood you and you think he's going to rile up the crowd?

QAnon people want to hear confirmation of their conspiracy. Anything that doesn't fit they will receive as lies.

They’re willing to accept crumbs when it comes from senior officials though because they believe everything is being done in some double plus top secret way, so it won’t take much.

If Pence goes in there with a closely-written speech intended to describe the workings of the White House with personal anecdotes (invulnerable to being called lies) and description of events that can be independently verified, it might paint too frank a picture of what goes on in there. QAnon won't get it, to them that's just a carefully-constructed fabric of lies. To us, it could be quite interesting.

I suppose Pence might go off the script; that would be interesting in a different way, but he's very self-controlled. I doubt he'll do that.

I also wouldn't be surprised if he pulls out at the last moment. Trump and a QAnon crowd kept apart from each other, no need for a speech.

Sorry, did he release a script in advance that I missed? Because this all just seems like wishful fantasizing that has a bizarrely favorable assumption about Mike Pence’s good intentions for the country given the evidence lol

[Cisairse]

I intend to vote Yes on New Jersey Public Question 1, Marijuana Legalization Amendment (2020), and I encourage you all to do the same if given the chance.

[Corrian]

Trump supporters have been demonized as all being racists, but in reality, barely anyone is racist. I have been to many Trump rallies, no one cared that I was Chinese, in fact, people praised me for resisting the CCP, and wished me luck on "liberating my ancestral land."

When I pass through rural America while going places, people are very friendly and are more curious than anything, when I tell them I’m a Trump supporter, they go as far as inviting me over for dinner. The only experience with racism I have had in the US has been in urban Philadelphia, where two black men called me a "Fucking chinky pig," while I was crossing the street and their car had to stop.
(and before you leftists jump on the opportunity to paint me as a black-hating racist, I know these people are not representative of the vast majority of black people)

Portraying all or even most Trump supporters as racist is another one of the left’s most effective tactic, lying.

You’re telling me that all Trump supporters aren't racist

Not all Trump supporters are racist, but all Trump supporters support a racist.

That makes you only slightly less worse than a racist.

[Corrian]

Also, man, these last few days of news have been horrible for Trump. Not that it isn't regularly bad, but holy shit. And just this last week (Has it been only a week? I don't even know) with the military comments is bad as well.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Also, man, these last few days of news have been horrible for Trump. Not that it isn't regularly bad, but holy shit. And just this last week (Has it been only a week? I don't even know) with the military comments is bad as well.

There's such a dam-load of shit to drop on him, October Surprises now start in September.

[Corrian]

Also, man, these last few days of news have been horrible for Trump. Not that it isn't regularly bad, but holy shit. And just this last week (Has it been only a week? I don't even know) with the military comments is bad as well.

There's such a dam-load of shit to drop on him, October Surprises now start in September.

A level of bad so bad he didn't even deny it

[Ngelmish]

A month is a long time in Trumpworld and the country's memory gets shorter by the day. I wouldn't bet the ranch that suddenly Mike Pence is going to start doing the right thing.

Pence was briefly in charge of coronavirus response. I thought at the time it was his bid for fame: do a great job, people will still remember him in 2024. But it looks more like a transitional thing: he wanted the job out of Trump's hands until someone who knew stuff could take over.

I genuinely have no idea what this even means. What would he "drop"? Unless I've misunderstood you and you think he's going to rile up the crowd?

QAnon people want to hear confirmation of their conspiracy. Anything that doesn't fit they will receive as lies. If Pence goes in there with a closely-written speech intended to describe the workings of the White House with personal anecdotes (invulnerable to being called lies) and description of events that can be independently verified, it might paint too frank a picture of what goes on in there. QAnon won't get it, to them that's just a carefully-constructed fabric of lies. To us, it could be quite interesting.

I suppose Pence might go off the script; that would be interesting in a different way, but he's very self-controlled. I doubt he'll do that.

I also wouldn't be surprised if he pulls out at the last moment. Trump and a QAnon crowd kept apart from each other, no need for a speech.

Pence has been running for president since 2008. There is literally nothing transitional he does, in that regard.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

There's such a dam-load of shit to drop on him, October Surprises now start in September.

A level of bad so bad he didn't even deny it

There are degrees between Panic and Complacency. Going too far either way isn't good.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Pence was briefly in charge of coronavirus response. I thought at the time it was his bid for fame: do a great job, people will still remember him in 2024. But it looks more like a transitional thing: he wanted the job out of Trump's hands until someone who knew stuff could take over.



QAnon people want to hear confirmation of their conspiracy. Anything that doesn't fit they will receive as lies. If Pence goes in there with a closely-written speech intended to describe the workings of the White House with personal anecdotes (invulnerable to being called lies) and description of events that can be independently verified, it might paint too frank a picture of what goes on in there. QAnon won't get it, to them that's just a carefully-constructed fabric of lies. To us, it could be quite interesting.

I suppose Pence might go off the script; that would be interesting in a different way, but he's very self-controlled. I doubt he'll do that.

I also wouldn't be surprised if he pulls out at the last moment. Trump and a QAnon crowd kept apart from each other, no need for a speech.

Pence has been running for president since 2008. There is literally nothing transitional he does, in that regard.

Well yes. And he hasn't done much wrong. He seems quite good at 'not being there' when the Trump administration gets in trouble. Getting himself appointed Coronavirus Czar when he either couldn't manage it or was pushed aside, is the only mistake I'm aware of.

Lecturing the QAnons about how they're wrong, would be seen as a rebuke to some of Trump's ideas, and a good move for Pence imo.

[Vassenor]

Trump supporters have been demonized as all being racists, but in reality, barely anyone is racist. I have been to many Trump rallies, no one cared that I was Chinese, in fact, people praised me for resisting the CCP, and wished me luck on "liberating my ancestral land."

When I pass through rural America while going places, people are very friendly and are more curious than anything, when I tell them I’m a Trump supporter, they go as far as inviting me over for dinner. The only experience with racism I have had in the US has been in urban Philadelphia, where two black men called me a "Fucking chinky pig," while I was crossing the street and their car had to stop.
(and before you leftists jump on the opportunity to paint me as a black-hating racist, I know these people are not representative of the vast majority of black people)

Portraying all or even most Trump supporters as racist is another one of the left’s most effective tactic, lying.

You’re telling me that all Trump supporters aren't racist

No, they just don't consider flagrant racism a dealbreaker. Distinction without a difference.

[Ngelmish]

Pence has been running for president since 2008. There is literally nothing transitional he does, in that regard.

Well yes. And he hasn't done much wrong. He seems quite good at 'not being there' when the Trump administration gets in trouble. Getting himself appointed Coronavirus Czar when he either couldn't manage it or was pushed aside, is the only mistake I'm aware of.

Lecturing the QAnons about how they're wrong, would be seen as a rebuke to some of Trump's ideas, and a good move for Pence imo.

I profoundly doubt that he'll suggest they're wrong in a Sister Souljah kind of way. Pence is mediocre at retail and fanatical about God's plan for Mike Pence to save America. His only real political downside is that even people who like him think he has the charisma of a pair of wet socks. Sadly, charisma is only erratically relevant for Democrats and Gerald Ford

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Well yes. And he hasn't done much wrong. He seems quite good at 'not being there' when the Trump administration gets in trouble. Getting himself appointed Coronavirus Czar when he either couldn't manage it or was pushed aside, is the only mistake I'm aware of.

Lecturing the QAnons about how they're wrong, would be seen as a rebuke to some of Trump's ideas, and a good move for Pence imo.

I profoundly doubt that he'll suggest they're wrong in a Sister Souljah kind of way. Pence is mediocre at retail and fanatical about God's plan for Mike Pence to save America. His only real political downside is that even people who like him think he has the charisma of a pair of wet socks. Sadly, charisma is only erratically relevant for Democrats and Gerald Ford

He certainly is a dull fellow. I wish him luck in the 2024 primaries

EDIT: He might get a turn being President nonetheless. Trump might lose, and quit. I wonder what kind of odds are available?

[United States of Devonta]

A level of bad so bad he didn't even deny it

There are degrees between Panic and Complacency. Going too far either way isn't good.

He literally wants us to go into a panic about everything else rather it be China, Antifa, Illegals, and even poor people moving in the suburbs. Sorry if I think he's kinda full of shit

[Kexholm and Karelia]

You’re telling me that all Trump supporters aren't racist

Not all Trump supporters are racist, but all Trump supporters support a racist.

If Trump was a racist he would be mad at the fact that his administration presided over record low black unemployment

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Not all Trump supporters are racist, but all Trump supporters support a racist.

If Trump was a racist he would be mad at the fact that his administration presided over record low black unemployment

Hey remember when trump claimed that thousands of arab americans cheered on 9/11? Or when he said 81% of white murder victims are killed by black people?

Hey hey hey thats some pretty racist shit.

[United States of Devonta]

Not all Trump supporters are racist, but all Trump supporters support a racist.

If Trump was a racist he would be mad at the fact that his administration presided over record low black unemployment

Aw Trump once again taking credit for a trend Obama started. Oh wait, that Obama - America's first black president - which he tried to delegitimize by spreading a racist birther conspiracy theory. Nice self-own man.

Oh and Black unemployment is up again. Oops.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

If Trump was a racist he would be mad at the fact that his administration presided over record low black unemployment

Aw Trump once again taking credit for a trend Obama started. Oh wait, that Obama - America's first black president - which he tried to delegitimize by spreading a racist birther conspiracy theory. Nice self-own man.

Oh and Black unemployment is up again. Oops.

BTW unemployment only counts if you're looking for work. If you give up looking for work or are employed like 10 hours a week, you aren't counted, so the number of truly unemployed or underemployed black people is way higher than the official stats.