2020 US General Election Thread VIII: Cs, Ds, and Es

[Kowani]

Except a recent study showed that the best predicter of support for Trump and acceptance of anti-small-d-democratic values was ethnocentric attitudes.

Your "study" defines "cultural conservatism" so broadly that literally anything can be molded to fit the definition

"“Cultural conservatism” includes views about patriotism, traditional morality (including abortion and sexual harassment), and disdain for big cities, rich people, journalists, and college professors."

That's not very broad at all.

Nor does your "rebuttal" address US-SSR's point at all.

[US-SSR]

https://twitter.com/thauserkstp/status/1303817408361054209?s=20

Biden up nine in Minnesota. I’m at a loss as to why people think he is competitive here.

A couple polls from respected organizations in late August-early September were within the margin of error. I suspect they'll turn out to be outliers. If you've been watching the news you can see things are not going Trump's way. And it's not going to get any better in the next 55 days. A blue Texas is more likely than a red Minnesota.

[Liriena]

Your "study" defines "cultural conservatism" so broadly that literally anything can be molded to fit the definition

"“Cultural conservatism” includes views about patriotism, traditional morality (including abortion and sexual harassment), and disdain for big cities, rich people, journalists, and college professors."

That's not very broad at all.

Nor does your "rebuttal" address US-SSR's point at all.

Why address a point when you can simp for Trump?

[Northern Davincia]

Trump supporters have been demonized as all being racists, but in reality, barely anyone is racist. I have been to many Trump rallies, no one cared that I was Chinese, in fact, people praised me for resisting the CCP, and wished me luck on "liberating my ancestral land."

When I pass through rural America while going places, people are very friendly and are more curious than anything, when I tell them I’m a Trump supporter, they go as far as inviting me over for dinner. The only experience with racism I have had in the US has been in urban Philadelphia, where two black men called me a "Fucking chinky pig," while I was crossing the street and their car had to stop.
(and before you leftists jump on the opportunity to paint me as a black-hating racist, I know these people are not representative of the vast majority of black people)

Portraying all or even most Trump supporters as racist is another one of the left’s most effective tactic, lying.

Cool for you. You ever think that maybe someone can be racist without hating your group? Cause unlike you I've experienced racial hate several times in my life, from the time a woman at my job said I should star in a film about Mexican gang members to the time a guy asked my friend "who let this spic (me) in the chat?" And then there was the time a girl said I should be deported.

As for your point about trump supporters and racism, please, consider the following:

The Pew Research Center found that 69 percent of Trump supporters viewed immigrants as a burden, rather than a benefit, to the US, and 64 percent believed that American Muslims should be subject to greater scrutiny solely on the basis of their religion. Reuters found that Trump supporters were more than twice as likely as Clinton supporters to view Islam negatively. Trump supporters were also more likely than supporters of other candidates to hold negative views of African-Americans. Reuters reported that 40–50 percent of Trump supporters viewed African-Americans as being more "lazy", "rude", "violent", or "criminal" than whites, compared to 25–30 percent for Clinton supporters; while 32 percent of Trump supporters believed that African-Americans were less intelligent than whites, compared to 22 percent of Clinton supporters.

Is there a list of questions used in the study?

[Northern Davincia]

Your "study" defines "cultural conservatism" so broadly that literally anything can be molded to fit the definition

"“Cultural conservatism” includes views about patriotism, traditional morality (including abortion and sexual harassment), and disdain for big cities, rich people, journalists, and college professors."

That's not very broad at all.

Nor does your "rebuttal" address US-SSR's point at all.

If there is a culturally conservative view on sexual harassment, I would like to know what it is. Hating rich people is a bipartisan pastime nowadays, and disdain for journalists and college professors typically applies to those with more liberal inclinations. The bulk of these are not philosophical beliefs, but stereotypes.

[Aureumterra]

Your "study" defines "cultural conservatism" so broadly that literally anything can be molded to fit the definition

"“Cultural conservatism” includes views about patriotism, traditional morality (including abortion and sexual harassment), and disdain for big cities, rich people, journalists, and college professors."

That's not very broad at all.

Nor does your "rebuttal" address US-SSR's point at all.

There’s a culturally conservative view on sexual harassment?

[The Black Forrest]

Top Republican lawyer calls out Trumps lies over voter fraud.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/p ... g-1056913/

[Nobel Hobos 2]

"“Cultural conservatism” includes views about patriotism, traditional morality (including abortion and sexual harassment), and disdain for big cities, rich people, journalists, and college professors."

That's not very broad at all.

Nor does your "rebuttal" address US-SSR's point at all.

There’s a culturally conservative view on sexual harassment?

Probably. "Only degenerates and liberals commit sexual harassment, the pastor isn't one of those, therefore he didn't touch those kids"

Seriously, it should be a point of agreement between cultural conservatives and feminists/progressives, that sexual harassment is wrong.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Cool for you. You ever think that maybe someone can be racist without hating your group? Cause unlike you I've experienced racial hate several times in my life, from the time a woman at my job said I should star in a film about Mexican gang members to the time a guy asked my friend "who let this spic (me) in the chat?" And then there was the time a girl said I should be deported.

As for your point about trump supporters and racism, please, consider the following:

Is there a list of questions used in the study?

Literally "describe black people, and compare them to whites." You don't see the issue with someone thinking blacks are dumber and more violent than whites?

[Aureumterra]

There’s a culturally conservative view on sexual harassment?

Probably. "Only degenerates and liberals commit sexual harassment, the pastor isn't one of those, therefore he didn't touch those kids"

Seriously, it should be a point of agreement between cultural conservatives and feminists/progressives, that sexual harassment is wrong.

I’m pretty sure most cultural conservatives agree sexual harassment is wrong

[San Lumen]

https://apnews.com/8e610effec6e294be01f25035393b6b9

Republicans are clearly courting the crazy vote and that of conspiracy theorist. Pence will be attending a event hosted by Qanon backers.

[Liriena]

https://apnews.com/8e610effec6e294be01f25035393b6b9

Republicans are clearly courting the crazy vote and that of conspiracy theorist. Pence will be attending a event hosted by Qanon backers.

Big win for the marketplace of ideas.

[The Black Forrest]

https://apnews.com/8e610effec6e294be01f25035393b6b9

Republicans are clearly courting the crazy vote and that of conspiracy theorist. Pence will be attending a event hosted by Qanon backers.

They are good people I’m sure.

[San Lumen]

https://apnews.com/8e610effec6e294be01f25035393b6b9

Republicans are clearly courting the crazy vote and that of conspiracy theorist. Pence will be attending a event hosted by Qanon backers.

They are good people I’m sure.

very fine people

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Probably. "Only degenerates and liberals commit sexual harassment, the pastor isn't one of those, therefore he didn't touch those kids"

Seriously, it should be a point of agreement between cultural conservatives and feminists/progressives, that sexual harassment is wrong.

I’m pretty sure most cultural conservatives agree sexual harassment is wrong

There's probably some disagreement about what it is.

Social progressives are fine with open displays of affection, or sexual banter that gets overheard. Conservatives probably not.
Conservatives seem to tolerate "innocent" comments on appearance, holding doors open for women. Progressives find those creepy.

Not really sure though. We're dealing in generalizations, that's always rather shakey.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

https://apnews.com/8e610effec6e294be01f25035393b6b9

Republicans are clearly courting the crazy vote and that of conspiracy theorist. Pence will be attending a event hosted by Qanon backers.

Pence is doing his duty, getting between the President and crazy.

[San Lumen]

https://apnews.com/8e610effec6e294be01f25035393b6b9

Republicans are clearly courting the crazy vote and that of conspiracy theorist. Pence will be attending a event hosted by Qanon backers.

Pence is doing his duty, getting between the President and crazy.

Im starting to suspect more and more of their base believes this scary stuff. Why else would they be actively courting their vote?

[Eukaryotic Cells]

https://apnews.com/8e610effec6e294be01f25035393b6b9

Republicans are clearly courting the crazy vote and that of conspiracy theorist. Pence will be attending a event hosted by Qanon backers.

Insane how something started on 4chan is now a significant fixture within US politics. Does not bode well for the future.

[San Lumen]

https://apnews.com/8e610effec6e294be01f25035393b6b9

Republicans are clearly courting the crazy vote and that of conspiracy theorist. Pence will be attending a event hosted by Qanon backers.

Insane how something started on 4chan is now a significant fixture within US politics. Does not bode well for the future.

The more of the their people believe this and the more conspiracy theorists they nominate the less of bench they have for statewide office

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Pence is doing his duty, getting between the President and crazy.

Im starting to suspect more and more of their base believes this scary stuff. Why else would they be actively courting their vote?

I'm serious. Pence is going, to stop Trump doing it himself.

TRUMP: The president has refused to condemn QAnon, recently telling reporters that the conspiracy theory is “gaining in popularity” and that its supporters “like me very much.”

PENCE:“I don’t know anything about QAnon, and I dismiss it out of hand,” he told CBS last month.

The speech could be quite interesting too. Pence knows that whatever he says, will be dismissed as lies. He might let a few things drop.

[San Lumen]

Im starting to suspect more and more of their base believes this scary stuff. Why else would they be actively courting their vote?

I'm serious. Pence is going, to stop Trump doing it himself.

TRUMP: The president has refused to condemn QAnon, recently telling reporters that the conspiracy theory is “gaining in popularity” and that its supporters “like me very much.”

PENCE:“I don’t know anything about QAnon, and I dismiss it out of hand,” he told CBS last month.

The speech could be quite interesting too. Pence knows that whatever he says, will be dismissed as lies. He might let a few things drop.

Pence endorsing it doesnt make it any better.

[Kowani]

I'm serious. Pence is going, to stop Trump doing it himself.

TRUMP: The president has refused to condemn QAnon, recently telling reporters that the conspiracy theory is “gaining in popularity” and that its supporters “like me very much.”

PENCE:“I don’t know anything about QAnon, and I dismiss it out of hand,” he told CBS last month.

The speech could be quite interesting too. Pence knows that whatever he says, will be dismissed as lies. He might let a few things drop.

Pence endorsing it doesnt make it any better.

I don't think that's an endorsement.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

https://apnews.com/8e610effec6e294be01f25035393b6b9

Republicans are clearly courting the crazy vote and that of conspiracy theorist. Pence will be attending a event hosted by Qanon backers.

Insane how something started on 4chan is now a significant fixture within US politics. Does not bode well for the future.

On the contrary. If they can do it, so can we!

Building a cohesive and comprehensive platform will be the hardest part. I say every poster writes a mini-manifesto on their favorite subject, they all go in a big hat, and we pick out half a dozen.

50% chance the right to abortion goes in the constitution. 40% an abortion ban goes in the constitution. 10% abortion is compulsory.

[San Lumen]

Two polls from safe states.

https://soonerpoll.com/news9-newson6-po ... s-clinton/
Trump leads 60 to 35 in Oklahoma

Biden leads by 18 or 55/38. This is an improvement over Clinton who won by 14. Senator Cory booker leads 52/28 over Rik Mehta.

[Senkaku]

That is an extremely dishonest take, and you probably know it but you post it anyways…

Trump supporters have been demonized as all being racists, but in reality, barely anyone is racist.

Someone deciding that having a racist in office is a lesser evil than tax cuts or hawkishness on China or whatever their pet issue may be is, functionally, the same as being a racist. If you vote for someone whose program is "[x thing] AND RACISM" because of the first thing... you are still voting for racism.

Im starting to suspect more and more of their base believes this scary stuff. Why else would they be actively courting their vote?

I'm serious. Pence is going, to stop Trump doing it himself.

TRUMP: The president has refused to condemn QAnon, recently telling reporters that the conspiracy theory is “gaining in popularity” and that its supporters “like me very much.”

PENCE:“I don’t know anything about QAnon, and I dismiss it out of hand,” he told CBS last month.

A month is a long time in Trumpworld and the country's memory gets shorter by the day. I wouldn't bet the ranch that suddenly Mike Pence is going to start doing the right thing.

The speech could be quite interesting too. Pence knows that whatever he says, will be dismissed as lies. He might let a few things drop.

I genuinely have no idea what this even means. What would he "drop"? Unless I've misunderstood you and you think he's going to rile up the crowd?